Republicans Quietly Admit There Will Be No Obamacare Replacement - Polidicks

[IMG]https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/01/27/National-Politics/Images/Trump_Republicans_06785.jpg-bb0bb-4624.jpg[/IMG] [Quote] PHILADELPHIA — Republican lawmakers aired sharp concerns about their party’s quick push to repeal the Affordable Care Act inside a closed-door meeting Thursday, according to a recording of the session obtained by The Washington Post. The recording reveals a GOP that appears to be filled with doubts about how to make good on a long-standing promise to get rid of Obamacare without explicit guidance from President Trump or his administration. Senators and House members expressed a range of concerns about the task ahead: how to prepare a replacement plan that can be ready to launch at the time of repeal; how to avoid deep damage to the health insurance market; how to keep premiums affordable for middle-class families; even how to avoid the political consequences of defunding Planned Parenthood, the women’s health-care organization, as many Republicans hope to do with the repeal of the ACA. “We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.). “That’s going to be called Trumpcare. Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.” [/Quote] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/behind-closed-doors-republican-lawmakers-fret-about-how-to-repeal-obamacare/2017/01/27/deabdafa-e491-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.973017ae05e7"]The Washington Post[/URL]

I thought somebody did present a plan though? EDIT: is there any other source? I don't like the look of that one, never heard of it.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51736825]I thought somebody did present a plan though? EDIT: is there any other source? I don't like the look of that one, never heard of it.[/QUOTE] You've never heard of the Daily Intelligencer?

It's just an alternative Healthcare plan, let the ones who can't afford it die so only the rich survive

Millions lives are be dying off without any good Replacement for Post-Obamacare era

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51736835]You've never heard of the Daily Intelligencer?[/QUOTE] Is intelligencer even a real word? [editline]e[/editline] apparently it is; [quote]intelligencer is an archaic word for someone "who conveys intelligence or information", "One employed to obtain secret information, an informer, a spy, a secret agent", or "A bringer of news; a messenger; an informant; a newsmonger". [/quote] it sounds like one of those fake words people use as a goof, like 'Dumberer'

Updated OP with WaPo link.

OK, yeah, the Washing Post link is indeed worrying. They think they can just repeal ACA and implement a solution over the long term. That doesn't sound like it's going to work.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51736849]It's just an alternative Healthcare plan, let the ones who can't afford it die so only the rich survive[/QUOTE] But then the rich don't have any poor to do their dirty work and get them rich.

They've had 7 years to come up with an alternative and they have absolutely nothing, the Republican party are pieces of shit, they don't care about the American people and only want this done because it will directly benefit them in some way. How can they just complain about this for 7 years and have nothing to replace it with when the time when they have the power to do so?

[QUOTE=Killer900;51736886]They've had 7 years to come up with an alternative and they have absolutely nothing, the Republican party are pieces of shit, they don't care about the American people and only want this done because it will directly benefit them in some way. How can they just complain about this for 7 years and have nothing to replace it with when the time when they have the power to do so?[/QUOTE] Because the GOP stays in power by fear mongering to middle aged or older white people. They don't need to actually do anything other than complain about the Democrats.

How about, instead of building a wall, you pass what Obamacare was [I]supposed[/I] to be before you took Obama's efforts at compromise and used them to break most of ACA? It's not like you'll have anything to worry about since you've got control of Congress, so the Democrats can't try and repeal it [B]60 times[/B] like you did. Trump can even take credit for stealing Obama's idea, I don't think people will care if it means they get proper health care coverage and feel like they're actually living in a developed nation for once.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51736905]How about, instead of building a wall, you pass what Obamacare was [I]supposed[/I] to be before you took Obama's efforts at compromise and used them to break most of ACA? It's not like you'll have anything to worry about since you've got control of Congress, so the Democrats can't try and repeal it [B]60 times[/B] like you did. Trump can even take credit for stealing Obama's idea, I don't think people will care if it means they get proper health care coverage and feel like they're actually living in a developed nation for once.[/QUOTE] Because building his stupid wall was a campaign pledge whereas making sure people have access to healthcare wasn't. In fact he pretty open during the campaign about how he planned to take that access away from 20 million people.

The hilariously sad part is the people who voted Trump and lost out because they got swept up in ideological bullshit This sounds almost contrary to what a leftist would usually say but damn people should have been more selfish this election tbh

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51736921]Has anyone ever confronted Trump with the statistics that show how many people will [I]actually die[/I] if he did this? If so, what was his reaction?[/QUOTE] "WRONG."

[QUOTE=Killer900;51736886]They've had 7 years to come up with an alternative and they have absolutely nothing, the Republican party are pieces of shit, they don't care about the American people and only want this done because it will directly benefit them in some way. [b]How can they just complain about this for 7 years and have nothing to replace it with when the time when they have the power to do so?[/b][/QUOTE] Because nobody made them do anything. Nobody ever threatened them, the government and the people never forced them to be accountable... in fact, you had no shortage of Americans (right-wingers, conservatives, Republicans) who were ranting on and on about how it needed to be repealed. Nobody lifted a finger against them and told them to knock that shit off, or else. The ACA itself was signed into law almost seven years ago. It has already been thoroughly implemented. Trying to repeal it the way that they are is fucking insane, especially considering they haven't even got a replacement figured out. That's not only insane, it's just plain sloppy statesmanship. And so now here we are. Almost 30 million people rely on the ACA, including more than 4 million children. And now they're going to lose their coverage. The ACA was what allowed them to get insurance in the first place. It told insurance companies to fuck off and stop denying people with pre-existing conditions protection, it allowed people under 26 who were students to stay on their parents' plans if they wanted, it provided all kinds of subsidies to ease financial burdens... and now they're going to throw that away. Unless we stop them, that is. And that will require getting extremely hateful and aggressive towards them and towards anybody who supports them. Or we can do nothing and watch as this government runs amok destroying a shitload of the social services, guarantees, and welfare structures that we enjoy as a civilized country and that millions of our fellow Americans rely on. It's whatever. [editline]27 January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51736921]Has anyone ever confronted Trump with the statistics that show how many people will [I]actually die[/I] if he did this? If so, what was his reaction?[/QUOTE] [url=https://thinkprogress.org/heres-how-many-people-could-die-every-year-if-obamacare-is-repealed-ae4bf3e100a2]36,000 people every year[/url], according to the Urban Institute. As far as I know, no, nobody has confronted him with this information. But it's his job to know it already and to be informed. Even if you did confront him and the Republicans with it, they wouldn't care. They don't care about what happens to us or to our country, they only care about themselves. And that's exactly why this warrants outrage, hatred, and aggression. Letting thousands of people die every year needlessly and millions lose their healthcare coverage is un-fucking-acceptable.

Sucks for them, they won't be insured so they can't find out why they're so mentally ill.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51736917]The hilariously sad part is the people who voted Trump and lost out because they got swept up in ideological bullshit This sounds almost contrary to what a leftist would usually say but damn people should have been more selfish this election tbh[/QUOTE] Trump voters thought they would get a better healthcare system so it's not an issue of Trump Supporters not being selfish enough.

My father's a contractor and doesn't get employer health insurance, meaning he was directly financially affected by the individual mandate, but his Obamacare health insurance helped him get through blood-clotting-related strokes without a significant dent to his own wallet. He's getting old fast and has a number of concerning health problems. He's off insurance now. Very good chance he won't even be able to get insured because of pre-existing conditions if there is actually no replacement planned. If he has another stroke, and doesn't have health insurance, he'll start rapidly running out of money in his retirement savings and then probably just die. He has like $2000 left in his HSA because he drained most of it with his health problems last year and the year before. Great work, cunts. My dad could easily die because you didn't want to cooperate with a black man.

Can't get proper healthcare, but we're gonna get some dumb fucking wall Help me, I'm drowning in this fucking stupidity.

[QUOTE=Saxon;51737109]Can't get proper healthcare, but we're gonna get some dumb fucking wall Help me, I'm drowning in this fucking stupidity.[/QUOTE] Sorry can't help you thats a pre-existing condition. I'm completely not surprised that they want to screw the poor and the middle class.

their approval is going to fucking plummet

So they admit the plan is to kill us all.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51736882]But then the rich don't have any poor to do their dirty work and get them rich.[/QUOTE] Automation is a wonderful thing.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51737168]Automation is a wonderful thing.[/QUOTE] Well, problem with that plan is that there's no market if there's no middle class.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51737045]Trump voters thought they would get a better healthcare system so it's not an issue of Trump Supporters not being selfish enough.[/QUOTE] Yeah from the impression I've gotten they never thought trump would actually repeal obamacare but I guess they haven't been paying attention to the Republican party rhetoric over the past 6-8 years.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51736855]some more stuff from this author [t]http://i.imgur.com/25nB3wD.png[/t] hmm[/QUOTE] Hey I thought I'd point out there's a new source now can you come and acknowledge it or are you unable to make snarky comments on a real source. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply?" - OvB))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51736825]I thought somebody did present a plan though? EDIT: is there any other source? I don't like the look of that one, never heard of it.[/QUOTE] their plan was 3 possibilities, don't kill it, pass bullshit HSAs, or kill it dead

[QUOTE=Judas;51737147]their approval is going to fucking plummet[/QUOTE] Isn't congress approval already abysmal? Like what can people do short of threatening or committing physical violence that'll get them to actually start thinking beyond their scheming and machinations for more power.

[QUOTE=markfu;51738338]Isn't congress approval already abysmal? Like what can people do short of threatening physical violence that'll get them to actually start thinking beyond their scheming and machinations for more power.[/QUOTE] Part of me wishes that that would actually work, but the rest of me knows that it'll do the exact opposite. You'd probably have to remove most of the country's senators from power and hope that level-headed centrists take their seats.