"Extending jobless benefits a 'disservice' to workers" - Polidicks

[quote](CNN) - Kentucky Republican and potential 2016 presidential candidate Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday extending unemployment benefits past what the U.S. federal government has already paid would be a "disservice" to workers. "I do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they're paid for. If you extend it beyond that, you do a disservice to these workers," he said, appearing on "Fox News Sunday." On December 28, unemployment benefits will expire for 1.3 million workers. In order for the jobless benefits to continue, lawmakers must extend the recession-era program by the end of the month. The Congressional Budget Office notes that if the benefits expire, the U.S. gross domestic product could fall 0.2 percentage points next year. President Barack Obama and Democrats in recent weeks have ramped up efforts to pressure Congress to extend jobless benefits, and House Speaker John Boehner indicated that he's open to the legislation. Paul, a tea party favorite who has long been opposed to unemployment benefits, pointed to a study that showed employers are less likely to hire the long-term unemployed.[/quote] [url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/08/rand-paul-extending-jobless-benefits-a-disservice-to-workers/[/url]

Yeah, after the 26 weeks they concentrate reeeeeaally hard, and a job tree grows out of their arse. What plane of existence does this guy reside in?

How? Granted, 6 months is a decent amount of time to find a job but how on earth is supporting them afterwards if they fail to find a job a disservice to them? What's the better option in their eyes, leaving them to perish in a ditch?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;43115392]How? Granted, 6 months is a decent amount of time to find a job but how on earth is supporting them afterwards if they fail to find a job a disservice to them? What's the better option in their eyes, leaving them to perish in a ditch?[/QUOTE] This is the same country where when you have to go to hospital your options are to pay thousands or to fuck off and die. And there are people fighting to keep it that way. People who will grind the country to a halt to keep it that way.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43115444]This is the same country where when you have to go to hospital your options are to pay thousands or to fuck off and die. And there are people fighting to keep it that way. People who will grind the country to a halt to keep it that way.[/QUOTE] actually you don't have the option of dying

[QUOTE=DeEz;43115539]actually you don't have the option of dying[/QUOTE] yeah you just live in crushing debt for the rest of your life

Yeah, so what about people who've been unemployed for 6 months or the ones who committed a crime? Nope it's a disservice Can't get a job? Good luck. Oh shit it's Rand Paul, I was expecting this.

I've been unemployed for 21 years now! Where's [B]MY[/B] benefits?!

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43115444]This is the same country where when you have to go to hospital your options are to pay thousands or to fuck off and die. And there are people fighting to keep it that way. People who will grind the country to a halt to keep it that way.[/QUOTE]I had to go to the ER for an extremely painful swollen throat. Doctor came in and looked at me for no more then 3 mins they prescribed me some pills (that I had to pay for) then I get a $2200 bill for 3 mins of service. Welcome to the states.

[QUOTE=Mudbone;43115783]I had to go to the ER for an extremely painful swollen throat. Doctor came in and looked at me for no more then 3 mins they prescribed me some pills (that I had to pay for) then I get a $2200 bill for 3 mins of service. Welcome to the states.[/QUOTE] Would have been cheaper to go to canada, fly to cuba, and see a doctor there, and probably quicker too.

[QUOTE=Mudbone;43115783]I had to go to the ER for an extremely painful swollen throat. Doctor came in and looked at me for no more then 3 mins they prescribed me some pills (that I had to pay for) then I get a $2200 bill for 3 mins of service. Welcome to the states.[/QUOTE] I had an ear infection last month. I was able to see a doctor for 20 minutes, get my ears swabbed for testing and given a prescription and wasn't charged. Sure I had to pay for the medicine but that only cost me €20, and I didn't [i]have[/i] to buy painkillers so the medicine only cost me €13.

You know what my definition of "a disservice to workers" is? Condemning them to bankruptcy and permanent financial ruin by revoking unemployment benefits. Nobody deserves to have their lives ruined because their asshole employers cut them loose.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43115444]This is the same country where when you have to go to hospital your options are to pay thousands or to fuck off and die. And there are people fighting to keep it that way. People who will grind the country to a halt to keep it that way.[/QUOTE] Uh the system here is fairly shit but this is a hell of an exaggeration

[QUOTE=evilweazel;43116757]Uh the system here is fairly shit but this is a hell of an exaggeration[/QUOTE] Exactly, if you're in a life-or-death situation, the emergency room HAS to save your life, but further treatment is gonna cost a fuckton. Sometimes the ER visit is cheap and only a few hundred dollars, but if you have a heart attack and you have no insurance, expect to be paying a $100K+ bill for the rest of your life.

[QUOTE=zombini;43116821]Exactly, if you're in a life-or-death situation, the emergency room HAS to save your life, but further treatment is gonna cost a fuckton. Sometimes the ER visit is cheap and only a few hundred dollars, but if you have a heart attack and you have no insurance, expect to be paying a $100K+ bill for the rest of your life.[/QUOTE] Yeah like I said it's fucked but if you're phrasing it like the doctors look through your wallet and if they don't see any money in it they let you bleed out on the table you're exaggerating things quite a bit or you're misinformed

[QUOTE=evilweazel;43116865]Yeah like I said it's fucked but if you're phrasing it like the doctors look through your wallet and if they don't see any money in it they let you bleed out on the table you're exaggerating things quite a bit or you're misinformed[/QUOTE] It was being described in a literary fashion, not a literal one. The choice you have is still fundamentally the same - either walk in and sign a contract attached to what essentially is a blank check, or save your family the debt and collections calls and try to tough it out. You'd be surprised at how many Americans a year die to simple untreated infections, or internal injuries that could have been treated.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;43117076]It was being described in a literary fashion, not a literal one. The choice you have is still fundamentally the same - either walk in and sign a contract attached to what essentially is a blank check, or save your family the debt and collections calls and try to tough it out. You'd be surprised at how many Americans a year die to simple untreated infections, or internal injuries that could have been treated.[/QUOTE] I just got done volunteering at a free clinic after ~2 years of doing actually so no I'm not very surprised by it considering it's literally what we dealt with be against the current all you want because you should be but saying any doctor would refuse life saving treatment on that basis is kind of an insult to anyone in a medical profession

[QUOTE=evilweazel;43117145]I just got done volunteering at a free clinic after ~2 years of doing actually so no I'm not very surprised by it considering it's literally what we dealt with be against the current all you want because you should be but saying any doctor would refuse life saving treatment on that basis is kind of an insult to anyone in a medical profession[/QUOTE] he never said anything like that though??

i know alot of shitbags that abuse benefits. it bring me satisfaction to see them actively pursue a job and suffer like the rest of us working class people. i dont know, maybe thats just me

[QUOTE=evilweazel;43117145]I just got done volunteering at a free clinic after ~2 years of doing actually so no I'm not very surprised by it considering it's literally what we dealt with be against the current all you want because you should be but saying any doctor would refuse life saving treatment on that basis is kind of an insult to anyone in a medical profession[/QUOTE] How many doctors are there in this country? I'd assume somewhere one doctor has done just that, so that expectation is unrealistic at best. The way the current system allows the elderly to die (who are no longer of working age) is proof of that. You can call me out to being cynical but it is a fallacy to say that the system is so flawless that there is no chance that it has ever happened. How do you think so many families felt when they were told a loved one's condition was either pre-existing or completely hopeless when there was a risky and expensive chance a life could be saved? If that patient dies, it is because the procedure either hasn't yet been discovered or has been arbitrarily categorized as too risky and expensive to waste on someone so unlikely to live. Even so, that is not what he was saying. When he said what he did, he was for all practical purposes using a metaphor. The two situations feel and appear to be in the subjective experience so alike to each other, that they are to a degree interchangeable.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;43117145]I just got done volunteering at a free clinic after ~2 years of doing actually so no I'm not very surprised by it considering it's literally what we dealt with be against the current all you want because you should be but saying any doctor would refuse life saving treatment on that basis is kind of an insult to anyone in a medical profession[/QUOTE] The point is if you have a serious injury you have the choice between going to a hospital and becoming indebted for thousands of dollars or risk dying while trying to tough it out. There isn't a single doctor who would deny life saving treatment, it's the system which is broken. I obviously didn't mean doctors would refuse you, I meant the prospects of spending the foreseeable future in debt often causes people to not got to hospital in the first place.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43115444]when you have to go to hospital your options are to pay thousands or to fuck off and die[/QUOTE] Not to make fun of this thread but what you just wrote instantly reminded me of the Theme Hospital Intro. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIhZ7Uj2wrc[/media] I like to think that this eased the tension in this thread a bit.