US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels 67 rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston - Polidicks

[quote]The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists. [b]ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump.[/b] The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”. But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - [b]ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.[/b] ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.[/quote] [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/act-cancel-america-first-rallies-largest-anti-muslim-group-counter-protesters-a7906836.html]Source: The Independent[/url]

"American exceptionalism." If America were a man, these people would probably line up for a loving, never-ending blowjob session, fucking hell.

Weenies. If you want to make yourself heard, go out and do it, so everyone knows you're a moron. Instead they're Keyboard Crusaders

Counter-protests work.

Are they worried about the counter protests or about white supremacists showing up on their side.

Goes to show racists really are just cowards under all that hateful veneer.

The very country rebukes these fools.

[QUOTE=Eva-1337;52601828]Goes to show racists really are just cowards under all that hateful veneer.[/QUOTE] Their entire ideology is based on extreme irrational fear of harm from other races, of course they are cowards at heart. It takes bravery to accept the challenges that come with a diverse and tolerant society. You never see the nazis showing up unarmed and unarmored to their rallies. They are far from shining examples of bravery [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] Also, in Laguna Beach, CA, there was recently an anti-immigration pro trump rally that was counterprotested. There were a few dozen rallygoers, and about 2500 counter protestors. I attended, it was all quite peaceful. Peacefully coming together to show how greatly love can be bigger than hate is how these things should go rather than devolving into violence.

I wonder how many also fear the public shaming that has picked up. Including family disowning family members and all that. :v:

[QUOTE=Judas;52601685]Counter-protests work.[/QUOTE] It's almost as if people are afraid of getting assaulted. Trump rallies were famously bigger than Clinton's during the campaign, yet outside of his policed speeches the rallies were always smaller than the counter protests, which tend to devolve into violence. Part of the problem is the left right divide across city and countryside, age gap and related interest in (and time/ideological conviction to commit to) activism, as well as the fact that New England is one of the most progressive parts of the country. It's as hard to imagine the 40k number showing up as much as UC Berkeley violence existing to the degree it did outside of California. Trump's stalling in momentum and decline in popularity is going to be used to reign in a right wing undercurrent and shame the anti-progressive, populist dissent that propelled him to an upset victory nobody really expected. His presidency and controversies have served to radicalize opponents and create a climate of fear for anyone who gives a platform to 'racism', which will creep from pushing out the actual nazis to marginalizing the broader kind of reaction that takes the form of (especially lower class) white dissent, which is in no cultural position to resist it. It's a totalitarian creep that will serve to legitimize a siege mentality of whites outside of the coasts, further radicalizing normal people into nationalists. Also, you literally encouraged people to join antifa in another thread. You share moral equivalence with the alt right meme-ing about helicopter rides. Disgusting people like you threaten to turn our republic into Weimar. [QUOTE=archangel125;52601904]The very country rebukes these fools.[/QUOTe] You apparnetly live in a bubble, as much as any fox viewer, conditioned by half of a polarized two party system, large media organizations, education, celebrities, social media, and impressions of popularity garnered from street battles in cities. The reality is the country is divided. It's actually pretty remarkable how the internet and cable media have created bubbles for the left and right, which the trump phenomenon has exacerbated and some FPers have likely let themselves fall into. [Quote]A clear majority of voters support President Donald Trump’s travel ban on visitors from six predominantly Muslim countries, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll. Polling on the travel restrictions has•varied wildly•since the Trump administrationunveiled the first executive order on travel in late January. But after months of litigation and controversy, 6-in-10 voters back the ban — and the survey suggests the actual policy may be more popular when separated from the president.[/quote] [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/05/trump-travel-ban-poll-voters-240215[/url] [Img]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/spo2xjvjlkm4xkmotqhtgw.png[/img] [url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/171962/decrease-immigration-increase.aspx[/url] [Img]https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CHART-1.jpg[/img] [url]https://www.prri.org/research/poll-immigration-reform-views-on-immigrants/[/url] Worth noting PRRI surveys adults, not registered voters. Another poll: [QUOTE]Sixty-one percent of Americans agree that "continued•immigration into the country jeopardizes the United States," according to a new poll commissioned by management consulting firm A.T. Kearney in partnership with market researcher NPD Group that revealed pessimism across a wide range of issues.•[/quote] [url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-07/americans-really-don-t-like-immigration-new-survey-find[/url] Since it's related to the topic of counter protests and outgrowth of left wing resistance culture: [Quote](Reuters) - A majority of Americans think Confederate monuments should be preserved in public spaces, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll, a view that is at odds with efforts in many cities to remove them. The Aug. 18-21 poll found that 54 percent of adults said Confederate monuments "should remain in all public spaces" while 27 percent said they "should be removed from all public spaces." Another 19 percent said they "don't know."[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-protests-poll-idUSKCN1B12EG[/url]

Kind of ironic that one side calls everyone that protests the removel of monuments a Nazi, while the other calls everyone thats a Muslim a terrorist. Both sides are idiots.

Do we have to do this again? They were marching shouting jews will not replace us with torches in hand, I mean :why:

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602189]It's almost as if people are afraid of getting assaulted. [/QUOTE] Of the tens of thousands of people that participated in the counter-protest, [URL="http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boston-march-20170819-story.html"]there were 27 arrests[/URL], mostly for disorderly conduct. Peddle your narratives elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602189] You apparnetly live in a bubble, as much as any fox viewer, conditioned by half of a polarized two party system, large media organizations, education, celebrities, social media, and impressions of popularity garnered from street battles in cities. The reality is the country is divided. It's actually pretty remarkable how the internet and cable media have created bubbles for the left and right, which the trump phenomenon has exacerbated and some FPers have likely let themselves fall into. [/QUOTE] Conscript, coming from you, of all people, that's rich. I'm involved in my community and well known to hundreds of people in my hometown. Furthermore, I spent years of my life living in the Middle East, and have actually seen something of the world outside of North America. I'd hardly call that living in a bubble. After all, I'm not the one between us who spouts lengthy, buzzword-laden exposition that has little bearing on observable reality. It may be that parts of the United States of America are so far behind the rest of the civilized West that such views are commonplace there, but where I live, at least, diversity of language, faith and culture is considered our strength rather than a cause of division. The last time a federal administration tried to stoke sentiments of Islamophobia, it was kicked out on its ass. Perhaps I'm giving [I]your[/I] culture too much credit. What mystifies me is where it comes from; it's terribly un-American. After all, it seems markedly different from that shared by most American FPers.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52602471]Of the tens of thousands of people that participated in the counter-protest, [URL="http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boston-march-20170819-story.html"]there were 27 arrests[/URL], mostly for disorderly conduct. Peddle your narratives elsewhere.[/QUOTE] You're deluding yourself. You're ignoring the last year of political violence because there was only 27 arrests at a protest against 50 individuals, and the police actually did their job unlike at Charlottesville. But whatever. Sure, polls show [url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/]people think the political climate is more violent[/url] [QUOTE]Three-quarters of Americans feel the current tone of politics and debate is encouraging violence among some people; Democrats are especially likely to say so. About a third of Americans consider the recent shooting of a Congressman and others a terrorist attack.[/quote] It's not like we had a debate on this forum, let alone on social media, on whether it's moral to 'punch a nazi'. It's not like just a week ago we saw the normalization of and apologetics for antifa. All the violence against trump supporters since 2016 was blamed on his divisive rhetoric and encouraging violence of his own through paying legal fees, but the violence was never denied or written off as a tiny minority of black bloc types or something. It's not like [url=https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left]extremist experts are looking at the left more now[/url] for the first time since the 70s. It's not like people are losing faith in our poltical system and media, and the parties are polarizing. But yea it's a just all just a narrative of mine there's a lot more violence. [Quote]•After all, it seems markedly different from that shared by most American FPers.[/quote] You're not from america, you're from canada and FP is by no means representative of the US. It's maybe representative of the bernie demographic because it's young, more tech inclined than average, and probably more middle class or college educated. But yea, you seem to live in a left wing bubble conditioned by what I described + living in Canada. The fact you seem to think what ACT represents is wildly unpopular and is un-American (when we are the most right wing western nation) really shows how warped your idea of reality is. Do you realize we just elected a nationalist who broke the blue wall of the rust belt? Did you not see the polls I posted? And don't give me that garbage about civilization. Your 'civilized west' is devolving into to tribalism, plutocracy, and ridiculous economic inequality to the point that even WaPo writes about 2017 as a challenge to liberal democracy. That middle class civic identity that the west and democracy thrived on and survived the 20th century with is ailing. Whatever the solution is, it's probably not a post-national state by the way.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602735]You're deluding yourself. You're ignoring the last year of political violence because there was only 27 arrests at a protest against 50 individuals, and the police actually did their job unlike at Charlottesville. But whatever. Sure, polls show [url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/]people think the political climate is more violent[/url] It's not like we had a debate on this forum, let alone on social media, on whether it's moral to 'punch a nazi'. It's not like just a week ago we saw the normalization of and apologetics for antifa. All the violence against trump supporters since 2016 was blamed on his divisive rhetoric and encouraging violence of his own through paying legal fees, but the violence was never denied or written off as a tiny minority of black bloc types or something. It's not like people are losing faith in our poltical system and media, and the parties are polarizing. But sure it's a just a narrative of mine there's a lot more violence. You're not from america, you're from canada and FP is by no means representative of the US. It's maybe representative of the bernie demographic because it's young, more tech inclined than average, and probably more middle class or college educated. But yea, you seem to live in a left wing bubble conditioned by what I described + living in Canada. The fact you seem to think what ACT represents is wildly unpopular and is un-American (when we are the most right wing western nation) really shows how warped your idea of reality is. Do you realize we just elected a nationalist who broke the blue wall of the rust belt? Did you not see the polls I posted? And don't give me that garbage about civilization. Your 'civilized west' is devolving into to tribalism, plutocracy, and ridiculous economic inequality to the point that even WaPo writes about 2017 as a challenge to liberal democracy. That middle class civic identity that the west and democracy thrived on and survived the 20th century with is ailing. Whatever the solution is, it's probably not a post-national state by the way.[/QUOTE] The reason 2017 is widely considered a challenge to liberal democracy is not in [I]spite[/I] of Trump and his far-right, degenerate ilk, but [I]because[/I] of them, and ideologues like you. The resurgence of the extremist right and the rise of the regressive left are the factors responsible for this polarization.

Why is there a resurgence archangel? And what does this mean when for political violence when it comes to 'counter protesting working', particularly if it's a claim from pro-antifa poster?

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Conscript, a hint for the future, you will do much better in your arguments if you do not present yourself on a moral high horse. As for the increase in violence from the "left" it is of concern, but practically all of it is due to response of what has been happening with the alt right, meanwhile Nazis have been becoming more popular... Because?... Its not because of the left, if one sees a dumb post on tumblr and their first response is "lets genocide the jews" something is already wrong with them. Lets be serious, this rise in tension is largely due to sites like the daily stormer becoming more prevelant and unchallenged (until recently), certain police shootings ending with the abusing party off scot free, and of course the whole "fake news" trump pushes

[QUOTE=archangel125;52602524]What mystifies me is where it comes from; it's terribly un-American. After all, it seems markedly different from that shared by most American FPers.[/QUOTE] His incessant desire to divide Americans between class, geography, and political affiliation to drive a point that certain people are more "American" than others certainly isn't endearing. [QUOTE=Conscript;52602735]You're deluding yourself. You're ignoring the last year of political violence because there was only 27 arrests at a protest against 50 individuals, and the police actually did their job unlike at Charlottesville. But whatever. Sure, polls show [URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/"]people think the political climate is more violent[/URL] It's not like we had a debate on this forum, let alone on social media, on whether it's moral to 'punch a nazi'. It's not like just a week ago we saw the normalization of and apologetics for antifa. All the violence against trump supporters since 2016 was blamed on his divisive rhetoric and encouraging violence of his own through paying legal fees, but the violence was never denied or written off as a tiny minority of black bloc types or something. It's not like [URL="https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left"]extremist experts are looking at the left more now[/URL] for the first time since the 70s. It's not like people are losing faith in our poltical system and media, and the parties are polarizing. But yea it's a just all just a narrative of mine there's a lot more violence. [/QUOTE] I wasn't responding to your overall spiel because I feel like I've responded to it enough in the past, I was referring directly to your implication that this was shut down due to fears over assaults, which, despite overwelming numbers of counterprotesters, didn't seem to be an issue in Boston, and the violence in Charlottesville was decidedly one sided. I wasn't saying that the increase in violence was the narrative; I was saying you linking ACT backing down to the counter-protests being effective due to fears of being assaulted holds no water.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602735]You're deluding yourself. You're ignoring the last year of political violence because there was only 27 arrests at a protest against 50 individuals, and the police actually did their job unlike at Charlottesville.[/QUOTE] If he's ignoring one year, you're ignoring fucking hundreds The recent surge in left-wing extremist should absolutely be addressed. But it should not be considered equally dangerous to literal centuries that the American right spent terrorizing and repressing minorities. Antifa hasn't even become as culturally relevant or normalized as fucking lynchings once were. Take a minute to let that sink in- oh wait, what am I saying? I almost fooled myself into thinking Conscript is able to take in new information for a second there

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602782]Why is there a resurgence archangel? And what does this mean when it comes to 'counter protesting working'?[/QUOTE] You always seem to see political issues in terms of black and white, with no shades of grey. It's like the idea that moderates exist and in fact make up the majority of humanity, whether they are politically interested or not, is entirely alien to you. Very strange, because in our prior discussions I remember pointing out this flaw in your reasoning to you repeatedly. That you have not taken time to consider it proves that you can no longer learn and grow as a person. Because you yourself are an ideologue, you appear to assume everyone else is as well, either entirely for a thing, or entirely against it. Want to know why there are so many protesters against ACT? And this despite the polls clearly showing that most Americans are concerned about immigration? It's very, very simple. It's because the recent Neo-nazi march at Charlottesville woke Americans to the reality of the extreme right-wing in America. It's because ACT is just another extremist right wing group, dressed up in marginally prettier colours. It's because even if most common Americans aren't leftist ideologues, even moderates can easily recognize the dangers that extremist right-wing ideology poses, and will stand in solidarity with those who oppose it. It's because even if most Americans are worried about immigration, most of them are staunchly against the degree of extremism that ACT and other such groups are pushing for. They want to work through the problem in a more reasonable manner. As for your question about the resurgence of this extremism, it's because of echo chambers on the internet for both the extreme left and the extreme right, where ideologues, like certain present company, are willingly brainwashed through feedback loops of limited political viewpoints, until they lose their grasp of reality and can only percieve the world through some limiting ideological filter.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602782] And what does this mean when for political violence when it comes to 'counter protesting working', particularly if it's a claim from pro-antifa poster?[/QUOTE] He was praising a largely non-violent counter-protest as effective. I have no idea what it means for political violence. [editline]22nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52602810]If he's ignoring one year, you're ignoring fucking hundreds The recent surge in left-wing extremist should absolutely be addressed. But it should not be considered equally dangerous to literal centuries that the American right spent terrorizing and repressing minorities. Antifa hasn't even become as culturally relevant or normalized as fucking lynchings once were. Take a minute to let that sink in- oh wait, what am I saying? I almost fooled myself into thinking Conscript is able to take in new information for a second there[/QUOTE] According to the ADL; [QUOTE]Over the past 10 years (2007-2016), domestic extremists of all kinds have killed at least 372 people in the United States. Of those deaths, approximately 74% were at the hands of right-wing extremists, about 24% of the victims were killed by domestic Islamic extremists, and the remainder were killed by left-wing extremists. [/QUOTE] [url]https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/murder-and-extremism-in-the-united-states-in-2016[/url]

The increase in left wing extremism is reactionary and a result of the increase in right wing extremism. If you curtail the extremism on the right then the left will likely follow suit.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52602838]The increase left wing extremism is reactionary and a result of the increase in right wing extremism. If you curtail the extremism on the right then the left will likely follow suit.[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, Antifa is really shitty, but my chances of being violently assaulted and/or killed by a member of Antifa or a far-left group is far lower than my chances of getting assaulted or killed by a far-right extremist. Claiming violence on both sides as equal is ridiculous, [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-response-to-charlottesville-polls-2017-8"]which is why Trump got such harsh bipartisan condemnation for his Charlottesville remarks[/URL]. To go further and say that it's actually the lefts fault (as Conscript does) goes well past falsehood into the realm of absurdity.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52602847]Don't get me wrong, Antifa is really shitty, but my chances of being violently assaulted and/or killed by a member of Antifa or a far-left group is far lower than my chances of getting assaulted or killed by a far-right extremist. Claiming violence on both sides as equal is ridiculous, [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-response-to-charlottesville-polls-2017-8"]which is why Trump got such harsh bipartisan condemnation for his Charlottesville remarks[/URL]. To go further and say that it's actually the lefts fault (as Conscript does) goes well past falsehood into the realm of absurdity.[/QUOTE] As I said in the other thread, at the end of the day if it comes down to it I would side with antifa over literal nazis any day of the week. At least antifa has well intentioned people in it. There is no such thing as well intentioned nazis.

I really don't understand how people like Conscript think culture is formed and shaped. Do you seriously think Antifa has any sort of foothold in the mainstream? Fucking really? I can guaran-fucking-tee you that 90% of this forum hadn't even heard of Antifa until like, 4 years ago. Yet these weirdos on the internet keep propping them up as the biggest threat to freedom of speech we've ever seen. Give me a break. Or rather, give yourself a break, and go outside for once

It's like I was saying, people socialized in certan echo chambers lose their grasp of reality entirely. It's like manufactured insanity.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52602880]It's like manufactured insanity.[/QUOTE] New useful phrase these days

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602189][t]http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/spo2xjvjlkm4xkmotqhtgw.png[/t] [url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/171962/decrease-immigration-increase.aspx[/url] [t]https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CHART-1.jpg[/t] [url]https://www.prri.org/research/poll-immigration-reform-views-on-immigrants/[/url] Worth noting PRRI surveys adults, not registered voters.[/QUOTE] I'm incredibly confused as to why you posted both of these charts considering they contradict what you're saying as far as I can tell. A majority support maintaining current levels or even increasing the immigration quota and the other shows that the majority believe immigrants benefit American society.