• I used to be an "Sjw"- Personal Story
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In my reccomended Interesting personal story that I think highlights how college students underlying insecurities can get them involved in extreme activist stuff that appears in the news. Also funny that they had a "Shit in" just...lol I think its pretty telling how qucik peoples political opinons change. As a young person, mine can vary quite a bit as I grow as a person. [video=youtube;zkXNZ6YL-ug]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXNZ6YL-ug[/video]
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I agree with a lot of this but I worry that legitimate non-binary people are getting caught in the crossfire of anti-sjw pushback, and these "ex-nonbinary" and "ex-SJW" videos and stuff really don't help with that. Not that I think these videos don't have a reason to exist, I believe they do, I just want to put it out there - don't let this stuff influence your opinion of real nonbinary people.
[video=youtube;zubmk8OsDO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zubmk8OsDO0[/video] Funny, I got recommended a similar-content video of the exact same name.
She says she went down the anti-feminist, men's rights path to self-realization. If it helped her for the moment that's great, but I hope she doesn't get stuck in another hole except on the opposite side like some do. There's a place to be that's healthy.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52937212]She says she went down the anti-feminist, men's rights path to self-realization. If it helped her for the moment that's great, but I hope she doesn't get stuck in another hole except on the opposite side like some do. There's a place to be that's healthy.[/QUOTE] In the middle is best.
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52937179]legitimate non-binary people[/QUOTE] My mind really can't fathom the idea of being 'non-binary'. I don't even know how that works. Transgenderism I can understand kind of but in my mind you're either a man or a woman. If you're floating about and can't decide you're still either male or female - 1 or 0. You can have traits of either gender (like being a feminine man or a masculine woman) but you're still one or the other. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?
[QUOTE=benbb;52937294]My mind really can't fathom the idea of being 'non-binary'. I don't even know how that works. Transgenderism I can understand kind of but in my mind you're either a man or a woman. If you're floating about and can't decide you're still either male or female - 1 or 0. You can have traits of either gender (like being a feminine man or a masculine woman) but you're still one or the other. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?[/QUOTE] Imagine feeling like you're not supposed to be male, but at the same time knowing that transitioning to female would leave you with very much the same feelings - the change of gender does not remove the problem for you.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;52937212]She says she went down the anti-feminist, men's rights path to self-realization. If it helped her for the moment that's great, but I hope she doesn't get stuck in another hole except on the opposite side like some do. There's a place to be that's healthy.[/QUOTE] She probably will. I think a SJW can become an Alt-righter and vice-versa easier than a well-adjusted person can become either.
[QUOTE=benbb;52937294]My mind really can't fathom the idea of being 'non-binary'. I don't even know how that works. Transgenderism I can understand kind of but in my mind you're either a man or a woman. If you're floating about and can't decide you're still either male or female - 1 or 0. You can have traits of either gender (like being a feminine man or a masculine woman) but you're still one or the other. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?[/QUOTE] Some people just don't feel right being seen as exactly a man or exactly a woman. As a trans woman I can imagine that I guess, cuz for me, I know I feel better when people view and treat me as a woman. I know the difference between being seen/treated as a woman vs the same as a man, and I know one of those makes me more comfortable than the other. I guess if you're gender neutral then neither ones feels quite right.
[QUOTE=benbb;52937294]My mind really can't fathom the idea of being 'non-binary'. I don't even know how that works. Transgenderism I can understand kind of but in my mind you're either a man or a woman. If you're floating about and can't decide you're still either male or female - 1 or 0. You can have traits of either gender (like being a feminine man or a masculine woman) but you're still one or the other. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?[/QUOTE] dude i do not give a fuck what you call me. i'd wear a dress if it looked good on me, the same way i would wear a suit if it looked good on me. i fuckin wish i had girl hair because there's so much more you can do with it. for me, nonbinary is more about a lack of care than it is anything else. you can call me a she or a he, though I'm probably going to be more receptive to he because its what I am conditioned to. call me whatever is most convenient
[QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;52937305]Imagine feeling like you're not supposed to be male, but at the same time knowing that transitioning to female would leave you with very much the same feelings - the change of gender does not remove the problem for you.[/QUOTE] If tinkering with your gender doesn't solve your problem, doesn't that indicate that the problems lies somewhere else?
To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best. This is the problem for many of the fanatical SJWs from my point of view. Their hatred clouds parts of their logical judgement and causes them to see evil everywhere without ever thinking details. They seek out people who also see evil everywhere, and eventually some of them take a moment to think and realize that the world isn't as morbid as they thought. When they then try to convince their allies of this, they get exiled from the group they were a part of, since that group now sees them as part of the problem for not fanatically agreeing with them. To be united by patriotism, by will to protect, by desire to oppose perceived flaws of society with reasonable logic may bring better results.
[QUOTE=trollbuster;52937424]If tinkering with your gender doesn't solve your problem, doesn't that indicate that the problems lies somewhere else?[/QUOTE] No, you misunderstood. Tinkering with your gender [I]does[/I] solve the problem. Saying "I'm a man" doesn't feel right, but neither does saying "I should transition into a woman." Neither of those work, so, you come into "nonbinary." I don't really want to be seen/treated as either, so that solves the issue for me. You can say "well you dress like a man" and its like alright but women also dress like men, and then theres the fact that what you are and how you dress are two seperate things. [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=benbb;52937294]My mind really can't fathom the idea of being 'non-binary'. I don't even know how that works. Transgenderism I can understand kind of but in my mind you're either a man or a woman. If you're floating about and can't decide you're still either male or female - 1 or 0. You can have traits of either gender (like being a feminine man or a masculine woman) but you're still one or the other. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?[/QUOTE] You can say 1 and 0, but some people prefer 0.4. Who's to say if one person is one or the other? If they don't feel right calling themselves a man, but also don't feel right calling themselves a woman, then why not?
[QUOTE=trollbuster;52937424]If tinkering with your gender doesn't solve your problem, doesn't that indicate that the problems lies somewhere else?[/QUOTE] No. You say this as though anyone should be content with being one gender or the other, but that's exactly what a binary gender identity is. A non-binary gender identity is anything that doesn't simply fall into place with the binary identities. It can range from identifying as a mixture of the two, identifying as multiple genders (either bi-, tri- or pan- genders,) identifying as without gender (agender, nongender, genderless,) fluctuating between different gender identities (gender fluid,) or identifying as a third gender, which [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender]does exist[/url]. Simply put, if you do not identify as solely male or solely female, you're non-binary. Unrelated, it's kind of insulting that you act like gender identity is not only just a "problem," but one that can be fixed by simply "tinkering with your gender," and that anyone who isn't placated by that is either faking or has mental issues.
[QUOTE=Paramud;52937586]No. You say this as though anyone should be content with being one gender or the other, but that's exactly what a binary gender identity is. A non-binary gender identity is anything that doesn't simply fall into place with the binary identities. It can range from identifying as a mixture of the two, identifying as multiple genders (either bi-, tri- or pan- genders,) identifying as without gender (agender, nongender, genderless,) fluctuating between different gender identities (gender fluid,) or identifying as a third gender, which [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender]does exist[/url]. Simply put, if you do not identify as solely male or solely female, you're non-binary. Unrelated, it's kind of insulting that you act like gender identity is not only just a "problem," but one that can be fixed by simply "tinkering with your gender," and that anyone who isn't placated by that is either faking or has mental issues.[/QUOTE] I'm bad with expressing myself, so I apologize if what I said came off as unapologetic/rude. I don't think gender identity is a problem, if ones content with what they are then that's absolutely fine. I used the word problem because "the change of gender does not remove the problem for you." which made me assume that the person has turmoil, that something needs to change, but if they're content then there's nothing wrong.
So how does non binary work? Because I've never woken up feeling like a guy, just feeling like me
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;52937762]So how does non binary work? Because I've never woken up feeling like a guy, just feeling like me[/QUOTE] You do, actually, every day. You just don't have a reason to notice unless you wake up every day feeling fundamentally [I] incorrect[/I].
I used to be anti-sjw. I really changed when the election happened. I'm glad Facepunch was here for me and said things like "don't listen to Sargon of Akkad" which I took at face value at the time because otherwise I might have ended up like my SO, fucked up and blaming Soros for everything bad in the world.
[QUOTE=01271;52938059]I used to be anti-sjw. I really changed when the election happened. I'm glad Facepunch was here for me and said things like "don't listen to Sargon of Akkad" which I took at face value at the time because otherwise I might have ended up like my SO, fucked up and blaming Soros for everything bad in the world.[/QUOTE] I used to be as well, but i had some stuff give me perspective in life. Both sides are wasting their lives on youtube arguments and fake ideals. Its better to live as a human rather than some other label.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;52938066]I used to be as well, but i had some stuff give me perspective in life. Both sides are wasting their lives on youtube arguments and fake ideals. Its better to live as a human rather than some other label.[/QUOTE] I think it's best is to not stand down or justify when people are being treated unjustly and to judge individuals based on their actions.
Honestly, I always like reading threads like these because this issue is an example of one of the most blatant disparities in the perception of reality of the U.S(and the world, a bit) populace. On facepunch I'm happy to see that the ideological similarities outweigh the differences, and basic facts of social reality can be determined, but replace the punch with book and FUCK THAT. The entire U.S populace is caught in an ideological crossfire that has extremists on both sides, and they all set silly, irrational generalizations upon pretty much everyone to varying extent. It's kinda funny to think that in [URL="http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/04153147/1_3.png"]1994, race and gender were almost as successful predictors of political ideology as partisan affiliation was.[/URL] It's really insane at this point, and the divide seems to express itself in just about every subculture out there. Beliefs on seemingly innocuous issues previously not even in public consciousness can predict so much so often about a person's political beliefs now. This 'ease of prediction' allows people a very tantalizing opportunity to stereotype others, and just about everyone falls to it at some point to some extent in today's environment. But we allow it and are complicit in it because if our very views of basic reality differ, communication is impossible, so what's the point? Man, humanity would be fucked if aliens ever came and met us. It'd be like trying to talk to a Republican. (heh, or an sjw if you're on the cowboys' side. indians r better tho)
I feel like these days SJW is really meaningless. According to the D you are an SJW if you think the Rohingya genocide is wrong simply because they are defending themselves from ISIS.
I remember being quite anti-SJW back in the 2014 days, and yeah I used to watch a lot of Sargon and hell even Milo. Thankfully in 2015 I changed my perspective a lot and stopped watching those guys or whatever Anti-SJW extremist there was, and never fallen into the other hole, hopefully! I've seen that Anti-SJWs blame SJWs for everything, and SJWs blame Anti-SJWs for everthing, and they waste all their time trying to make themselves look superior to the other, while actually they make themselves just look like a bunch of asshats, or worse, like a bunch of monsters. I just try to stay away from both extremes, and well, judge people by how they are and how they act, and not judge them because they are straight, gay, bi or trans, or they have a different side in politics than me, between many others factors. Just be a swood dude, and im all fine with ya! unless you hide some dark messed up secret or whatever
By many people's standards I'm probably an SJW because I care about and have interest in LGBT rights and the rights of ethnic minorities. And I'm fine with that, tbh.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52938480]being an sjw isnt going "lgbt people should have equal rights to nonlgbt people" its more along the lines of yelling at a cis male ally of your cause and telling him to kill himself because he thinks communism was a dangerous ideology and has never been implemented in a way that hasn't caused lgbt genocide/subjugation[/QUOTE] The definition has been Flanderized to mean any progressive by this point.
[QUOTE=rutolfus;52938391]I remember being quite anti-SJW back in the 2014 days, and yeah I used to watch a lot of Sargon and hell even Milo. Thankfully in 2015 I changed my perspective a lot and stopped watching those guys or whatever Anti-SJW extremist there was, and never fallen into the other hole, hopefully! I've seen that Anti-SJWs blame SJWs for everything, and SJWs blame Anti-SJWs for everthing, and they waste all their time trying to make themselves look superior to the other, while actually they make themselves just look like a bunch of asshats, or worse, like a bunch of monsters. I just try to stay away from both extremes, and well, judge people by how they are and how they act, and not judge them because they are straight, gay, bi or trans, or they have a different side in politics than me, between many others factors. Just be a swood dude, and im all fine with ya! unless you hide some dark messed up secret or whatever[/QUOTE] This pretty much is what happend to me also.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52938489]for sure, but the op video and most people in the thread are referring to the actual definition[/QUOTE] Sorry, I thought you were responding to me for some reason.
At this point I'm convinced so many people are jumping on the anti SJW train because it's popular and gives you lots of ad money and attention. The pandering to the right is sickening to me.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;52938480]being an sjw isnt going "lgbt people should have equal rights to nonlgbt people" its more along the lines of yelling at a cis male ally of your cause and telling him to kill himself because he thinks communism was a dangerous ideology and has never been implemented in a way that hasn't caused lgbt genocide/subjugation [editline]1st December 2017[/editline] there are a lot of people in the farfarfar left communities who cant argue or even see the other side's point of view (or really any other view than their own) without screaming and demanding that side should be silenced i used to roll deep in that sanius squad shit years ago and i mean, im still pretty damned left but to say that there isn't a problem that's been brewing on this side for years is a lie[/QUOTE] The issue is though that those people are clearly awful are condemned by everyone. They hold no power, have no support and are completely out of place. Meanwhile, the Alt Right are rapidly gaining in size, have a huge presence online and have political support all the way up to the president of the United States.
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