• Pope requests legal immunity
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[quote][B]Letter to Italian President alleges Pope seeks 'legal immunity'[/B] Rome - A letter by the Secretary of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State alleges Pope Benedict XVI is asking the Italian government to grant him protection and immunity from legal prosecution. On Monday, Digital Journal reported Pope Benedict XVI had announced he would resign on February 28. In his announcement, the Pope stated: [I]“After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry."[/I] The sudden resignation has led to conspiracy theories, with some saying it is related to the Pope's confidential papers that were stolen by the Pope's butler, Paolo Gabriele. At the time of Gabriele's trial, it was alleged that the papers revealed financial corruption within the Vatican. Others allege the resignation is due to a sex scandal which will soon be revealed. The Vatican continues to say that the resignation is due to the Pope's "advancing age". A statement issued by International Tribunal into Crime of Church and State (ITCCS) may point towards a pending scandal however. On Thursday, the ITCCS issued a statement saying the Pope has requested to with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23rd. The Vatican Information Service has confirmed that the Pope is scheduled to meet with Napolitano on the 23rd. The ITCCS claims the Pope sought the meeting to ask for immunity from prosecution by the Italian government. In a letter to Napolitano, ITCCS Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, says: [I]"I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Joseph Ratzinger [real name of Pope Benedict XVI] who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy. Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaty does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office."[/I] The letter goes on to point to "documented" crimes of child trafficking and torture, alleging that the crimes are linked to the Pope Benedict and other Vatican officials. On November 25, 1981, Pope John Paul II named Ratzinger as the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. As such, Ratzinger was in charge of investigations into the crimes which the Catholic Church considers as being the most serious of all, including crimes against the sixth Commandment ("thou shall not commit adultery") committed by a cleric against a person under the age of eighteen. A Guardian report also refers to the fact Pope John Paul II appointed Ratzinger to oversee the sex scandals that were erupting in the United States and Ireland. The report quotes Jakob Purkarthofer, of Austria's Platform for Victims of Church Violence, as saying: [I]"Ratzinger was part of the system and is co-responsible for these crimes. He should have come clean about the abuses."[/I] According to a Los Angeles Times report, while Ratzinger was in charge of overseeing all investigations into sexual abuse allegations, memos written by Archbishop Roger M. Mahony and Msgr. Thomas J. Curry between 1986-1987 showed a "concerted effort...to shield abusers from police." It is alleged that Ratzinger was aware of these memos. In 2001, a letter written by Ratzinger clarified the confidentiality of internal church investigations into accusations of sexual abuse by priests. The Bishops Accountability organization states that Ratzinger ordered bishops worldwide to maintain absolute secrecy about priest pedophilia and to simply transfer them from one parish to another. In 2010, Ratzinger, who was then Pope Benedict, was named as a defendant in a law suit alleging he was aware of a priest in the United States who had sexually abused boys. When the lawyers for the plaintiff withdrew the case, the Vatican issued a statement saying it was a "major victory", proving the Pope could not be held liable. In what some claim is proof the Pope was involved in sex scandal cover-ups and is attempting to avoid prosecution, a Vatican official has stated Pope Benedict has decided to continue to live at the Vatican after his resignation goes in effect. The source told Yahoo! News: [I]"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else. It is absolutely necessary [he stays in the Vatican so he can have] a dignified existence."[/I] It is unclear why Pope Benedict would consider asking for immunity, if that is indeed his plan. Some speculate it is because it would give him the freedom to leave Vatican City, saying otherwise he would essentially be a prisoner. It is equally unclear whether President Napolitano would consider granting immunity. What is clear is that these latest allegations adds fuel to the conspiracy theories, as well as calling into the question the real reason why Pope Benedict decided to resign.[/quote] [url=http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/343606]Source[/url] 20 bucks says he didn't resign because of his health.
I wonder why... Hmmmm.... I'm stumped, any ideas lads?
there's a joke to be made about the name ratzinger. i can feel it.
The fact that anyone can get legal immunity is somewhat ridiculous, but giving it to the pope simply because he got to wear a big ass hat is just unfathomable. Especially since it is because he couldn't keep his fingers out of his choir boys. Gross
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39609808]I wonder why... Hmmmm.... I'm stumped, any ideas lads?[/QUOTE] Touching. /thread.
Future in a nutshell: [video=youtube;SiXNUaSjXRY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXNUaSjXRY[/video]
Well it did for for Silvio Berlusconi
He should be taken to a completely secular court and given a fair trial. why would he even deserve legal immunity- infact, why would anyone?
Why would they give him legal immunity? He's not even the pope anymore, and even that is not a good enough reason
[QUOTE=fulgrim;39610068]He should be taken to a completely secular court and given a fair trial. why would he even deserve legal immunity- infact, why would anyone?[/QUOTE] Because religion. And let's face it, religion will cause bias in pretty much anything when you have a religious court or religious judges.
I'm waiting to see what exactly he's asking for immunity from... No grant until that knowledge comes out.
[QUOTE=Reds;39610094]Because religion. And let's face it, religion will cause bias in pretty much anything when you have a religious court or religious judges.[/QUOTE] You couldnt make it so nobody catholic was allowed into the jury?- its only fair becuase they will have a bias for him, same as racists or family memebers arent allowed into certain trials?
I wonder is the local gambling place will take bets on his resignation reason. I'll put $20 on sex scandal, another $20 on it being kiddy fiddling [editline]17th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fulgrim;39610125]You couldnt make it so nobody catholic was allowed into the jury?- its only fair becuase they will have a bias for him, same as racists or family memebers arent allowed into certain trials?[/QUOTE] When in a trail, you can appeal to the judge to have certain jury members replaced because of bias. At least in most western countries you can
Legal immunity? That should be illegal.
[quote]"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else. It is absolutely necessary [he stays in the Vatican so he can have] a dignified existence."[/quote] I don't see why it's necessary for him to have a dignified existence. Ratzinger's job during the time of John Paul II was such that he was in a position where every single sexual abuse case where a minor was involved went straight to his desk. Before, there was a certain bureaucracy in place where sexual abuse cases would go to different departments which did not communicate with each other (probably to suppress the information in order to protect the public image of the church), but he came in and changed it to where it was centralized to his office, his desk was the first stop for any case involving sex. He knows more about the whole issue than literally anyone else on the entire planet, and honestly, I'm not a conspiracy buff, but I really do believe that his knowledge of these things is what got him into the papacy in the first place. I mean he definitely has enough evidence on the transgressions of the members of the church that everyone is probably afraid of him, and now they're scrambling to protect him if at all possible.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;39610125]You couldnt make it so nobody catholic was allowed into the jury?- its only fair becuase they will have a bias for him, same as racists or family memebers arent allowed into certain trials?[/QUOTE] But protestants and atheists hate him
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;39611619]But protestants and atheists hate him[/QUOTE] Oh yeah you are right. i never considered protestant jury memebers would also be acting on a religious bias. although With athiests Im pretty sure thats BECUASE of the charges.
Of course everyone by now has noticed how Ratzinger looks like a fucking Sith Lord (especially his eyes), but if you really want to know the depths to which his evil extends, download the new HBO documentary "Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God" (which coincidentally came out just before Ratzinger's resignation). Ratzinger's a real piece of shit who for all intents and purposes can be seen as the architect of the cover-up, at least during the reign of John Paul II, but he merely plays the newest leadership role in a boy-fucking conspiracy that literally goes all the way back to the middle ages and is present in all incarnations of the Catholic church all across the world.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39609808]I wonder why... Hmmmm.... I'm stumped, any ideas lads?[/QUOTE] I'm guessing he wants.. to kids.. [editline]17th February 2013[/editline] and stuff
I'm calling it-Pope's gonna become a mob boss
[QUOTE=J Paul;39611802]Of course everyone by now has noticed how Ratzinger looks like a fucking Sith Lord (especially his eyes), but if you really want to know the depths to which his evil extends, download the new HBO documentary "Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God" (which coincidentally came out just before Ratzinger's resignation). Ratzinger's a real piece of shit who for all intents and purposes can be seen as the architect of the cover-up, at least during the reign of John Paul II, but he merely plays the newest leadership role in a boy-fucking conspiracy that literally goes all the way back to the middle ages and is present in all incarnations of the Catholic church all across the world.[/QUOTE] However, I doubt John Paul II was actually involved in it. He was a really nice man.
Throw that fucker in jail for the rest of his life, Then he can have his immunity
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39609808]I wonder why... Hmmmm.... I'm stumped, any ideas lads?[/QUOTE] Does it have to do with lads?
I could see giving someone immunity, in order to get their help and testimony to bring down bigger criminals. He's the Pope though, I don't think criminals get much bigger than that. Maybe he has some dirt on a President or Prime Minister or maybe he has the Holy Grail stashed somewhere and he can trade that.
Yeah, that resignation is starting to look fishy. Age hasn't stopped any other Pope in the last 600 years.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;39614155]Yeah, that resignation is starting to look fishy. Age hasn't stopped any other Pope in the last 600 years.[/QUOTE] It sure stopped all the dead ones
He wants to resign? Fair enough, if he thinks he's just getting too old to do pope stuff then that's his call. He wants legal immunity? Pretty fucking iffy.
[QUOTE=GeneralSergant;39613797]I'm calling it-Pope's gonna become a mob boss[/QUOTE] Tell Vinny the "Big Man" wants-a his money. And the Big Man don't-a like-a to wait.
I want to see this coming from a more reputable source but if it's true, it's fucking insane. Great changes are on the horizon.
[QUOTE=Adbor;39614223]I want to see this coming from a more reputable source but if it's true, it's fucking insane. Great changes are on the horizon.[/QUOTE] I think the source spun it a little, here's reuters (courtesy of google news) [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215[/url]
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