• Right Wing’s Surge in Europe Has the Establishment Rattled
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[quote] HVIDOVRE, Denmark — As right-wing populists surge across Europe, rattling established political parties with their hostility toward immigration, austerity and the European Union, Mikkel Dencker of the Danish People’s Party has found yet another cause to stir public anger: pork meatballs missing from kindergartens. A member of Denmark’s Parliament and, he hopes, mayor of this commuter-belt town west of Copenhagen, Mr. Dencker is furious that some day care centers have removed meatballs, a staple of traditional Danish cuisine, from their cafeterias in deference to Islamic dietary rules. No matter that only a handful of kindergartens have actually done so. The missing meatballs, he said, are an example of how “Denmark is losing its identity” under pressure from outsiders. The issue has become a headache for Mayor Helle Adelborg, whose center-left Social Democratic Party has controlled the town council since the 1920s but now faces an uphill struggle before municipal elections on Nov. 19. “It is very easy to exploit such themes to get votes,” she said. “They take a lot of votes from my party. It is unfair.” t is also Europe’s new reality. All over, established political forces are losing ground to politicians whom they scorn as fear-mongering populists.[b] In France, according to a recent opinion poll, the far-right National Front has become the country’s most popular party[/b]. In other countries — Austria, Britain, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Finland and the Netherlands — disruptive upstart groups are on a roll. This phenomenon alarms not just national leaders but also officials in Brussels who fear that European Parliament elections next May could substantially tip the balance of power toward nationalists and forces intent on halting or reversing integration within the European Union. “History reminds us that high unemployment and wrong policies like austerity are an extremely poisonous cocktail,” said Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, a former Danish prime minister and a Social Democrat. “Populists are always there. In good times it is not easy for them to get votes, but in these bad times all their arguments, the easy solutions of populism and nationalism, are getting new ears and votes.” In some ways, this is Europe’s Tea Party moment — a grass-roots insurgency fired by resentment against a political class that many Europeans see as out of touch. The main difference, however, is that Europe’s populists want to strengthen, not shrink, government and see the welfare state as an integral part of their national identities. The trend in Europe does not signal the return of fascist demons from the 1930s, except in Greece, where the neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn has promoted openly racist beliefs, and perhaps in Hungary, where the far-right Jobbik party backs a brand of ethnic nationalism suffused with anti-Semitism. But the soaring fortunes of groups like the Danish People’s Party, which some popularity polls now rank ahead of the Social Democrats,[b] point to a fundamental political shift toward nativist forces fed by a curious mix of right-wing identity politics and left-wing anxieties about the future of the welfare state[/b]. [/quote] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?_r=0[/url]
this is what happens in times of economic stress. as long as we can focus on recovering this problem will begin to dissipate.
Well from what I hear and read by people who swing on the right are paranoid about the 'liberalization' of Europe and the removal of its cultural heritage, back bone and the influx of Muslim immigration. They believe European politicians seem to not listen to the populas and turn a blind eye to its cultural dismantle by other foreign cultures in the guise of a 'progressive diverse tolerant society' which to them means anti-white agenda caused by either Jewish people, Capitalists, Liberal people or some other group. But mostly it is the belief that soft minds lead to soft empires and by being immigrant friendly or tolerant towards homosexuals, transsexuals, blacks, browns, purples, blues and other such groups etc - we are being picked off by the crows of less tolerant/progressive/liberal countries with their immigrants rooting into our societies and passing their own agendas while trying to rub the 'natives' off the map. But just to clarify, I don't actually believe this. I just hang out on /pol/ and other loonies I know.
[QUOTE]In some ways, this is Europe’s Tea Party moment — a grass-roots insurgency fired by resentment against a political class that many Europeans see as out of touch. The main difference, however, is that Europe’s populists want to strengthen, not shrink, government and see the welfare state as an integral part of their national identities.[/QUOTE] If you want to have a welfare state it does make sense to limit immigration.
The article doesn't mention that people are also sick of a 2 or 3 party system where 1 main party says why people shouldn't vote for the other main party and vice versa and people reach the conclusion that all the main parties are just as bad as each other so they reach out to alternative parties offering an alternative. You can't blame the people for being desperate and voting for Populism when they feel as if they have nothing else to lose. The establishment needs to be rattled.
It's easier to blame foreigners for your problems than yourself
[QUOTE=Vasili;42811538]Well from what I hear and read by people who swing on the right are paranoid about the 'liberalization' of Europe and the removal of its cultural heritage, back bone and the influx of Muslim immigration. They believe European politicians seem to not listen to the populas and turn a blind eye to its cultural dismantle by other foreign cultures in the guise of a 'progressive diverse tolerant society' which to them means anti-white agenda caused by either Jewish people, Capitalists, Liberal people or some other group. But mostly it is the belief that soft minds lead to soft empires and by being immigrant friendly or tolerant towards homosexuals, transsexuals, blacks, browns, purples, blues and other such groups etc - we are being picked off by the crows of less tolerant/progressive/liberal countries with their immigrants rooting into our societies and passing their own agendas while trying to rub the 'natives' off the map. But just to clarify, I don't actually believe this. I just hang out on /pol/ and other loonies I know.[/QUOTE] /pol/ houses alot of loud people with extremist views so I doubt you can put their words in the mouths of most right wing voters in Europe. The rise of the populists is in my view fueled by alot of misguided discontent caused by the current depression and some downright misinformation though. Also you cannot really classify the protest/populist parties as right wing. Some of them are more like value conservative left wing. I don't think the traditional parties have too much to fear from some of the populists due to them offering only a lot of critique and little constructive policy. [QUOTE=Hellduck;42811414]this is what happens in times of economic stress. as long as we can focus on recovering this problem will begin to dissipate.[/QUOTE] This is pretty much it. Depressions make people go crazy and one percent of unemployment makes alot of people kill themselves.
[QUOTE=Falchion;42812314]/pol/ houses alot of loud people with extremist views so I doubt you can put their words in the mouths of most right wing voters in Europe. The rise of the populists is in my view fueled by alot of misguided discontent caused by the current depression and some downright misinformation though. Also you cannot really classify the protest/populist parties as right wing. Some of them are more like value conservative left wing. [/QUOTE] Well is that disinformation is /pol/ - they are a mouth piece for the internet which in turn spreads into public life. In fact over the recent year anti Semitism has been increasing on the internet as a whole and this is largely due to /pol/ itself; [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24857207[/url] They make their propaganda in information in easy to read snippets, picture diagrams, pre made arguments etc - spreading them all over the internet. They are largely the reason right winged politics has been increasing at least for the internets part and why so many cases recently have had such 360% turn arounds (the most famous being the Trayvon Martin case which /pol/ was largely behind). There has been numerous leaks about neo nazis using the anonymity of such political boards to pump 'disinformation' into the system i.e - pretending to be homosexual/cuckholds/trannsexuals/Jews or other hated groups, impersonating them in a negative light to drive more anger to the groups in a false flag tactic. /pol/ itself is ironically a type secret society, spreading its influence among all sorts of people on the net, they've literally; "out Jew'd the Jews." The real problem lies in dismissing them as loonies, because its left them unchecked and unregulated by otherwise more intelligent users who could correct them, letting unknowing or curious people to be sucked into their delusional world, allowing their hatred to infect others.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42811623]If you want to have a welfare state it does make sense to limit immigration.[/QUOTE] Not on racial lines. I feel like there are tons of ways to limit immigration without implying that you are trying to defend against hordes of non white people, etc.
[QUOTE=Vasili;42812670]Well is that disinformation is /pol/ - they are a mouth piece for the internet which in turn spreads into public life. In fact over the recent year anti Semitism has been increasing on the internet as a whole and this is largely due to /pol/ itself; [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24857207[/url] They make their propaganda in information in easy to read snippets, picture diagrams, pre made arguments etc - spreading them all over the internet. They are largely the reason right winged politics has been increasing at least for the internets part and why so many cases recently have had such 360% turn arounds (the most famous being the Trayvon Martin case which /pol/ was largely behind). There has been numerous leaks about neo nazis using the anonymity of such political boards to pump 'disinformation' into the system i.e - pretending to be homosexual/cuckholds/trannsexuals/Jews or other hated groups, impersonating them in a negative light to drive more anger to the groups in a false flag tactic. /pol/ itself is ironically a type secret society, spreading its influence among all sorts of people on the net, they've literally; "out Jew'd the Jews." The real problem lies in dismissing them as loonies, because its left them unchecked and unregulated by otherwise more intelligent users who could correct them, letting unknowing or curious people to be sucked into their delusional world, allowing their hatred to infect others.[/QUOTE] Geez and I thought it was just some racist white kids
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42812781]Geez and I thought it was just some racist white kids[/QUOTE] Having been on /pol/ myself, I can say it's a very strange place. There's a "Merchants guild of /pol/" trying to refute a lot of the copypasted pictures, but of course they get called "Kikes", "Shills", "Degenerates", and "Zionists".
This is all such a crock of shit! If someone was to be complaining it would be the poorer countries in the union, but no, actually they are the ones most supportive of the european union. Anyone who's against the EU should take a class of economics.Free trade, free movement and all the perks of the EU(grants for agriculture in ex soviet countries to quicken progress, and so on....) can only benefit everyone. There's nothing worse than wasted talent, and if you ask me, someone who was bold and couragious enough to escape persecution or bad future prospects in any non-eu country should be granted at least a hearing. L.E. Just to give a quick example: Romania was second top producer of corn in the EU this year. Since it's manufacture industry is not that highly developed, alot of the raw resources went to the EU. There, it's getting added surplus value, beying transformed into all sorts of things that you can buy at your local french,austrian,italian,belgian or german supermarket(Lidl, Kaufland, Auchan, Careffour,Billa,Mega image ). And the excess is delivered to other markets, to satisfy the needs there. Bottom Line is that it's a win win situation. And I'm sure there's more situations where this applies.
At least they won't get fucked over as bad as the Republican Party and US government system did when the Tea Party decided to explode.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42812920]At least they won't get fucked over as bad as the Republican Party and US government system did when the Tea Party decided to explode.[/QUOTE] Well there is the whole Fascism thing.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42812946]Well there is the whole Fascism thing.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;jt_-yJMFCe4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_-yJMFCe4[/video] [video=youtube;kUWFwY4OhaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUWFwY4OhaA[/video] So...tea party?
[QUOTE=godfatherk;42812875]This is all such a crock of shit! If someone was to be complaining it would be the poorer countries in the union, but no, actually they are the ones most supportive of the european union. Anyone who's against the EU should take a class of economics.Free trade, free movement and all the perks of the EU(grants for agriculture in ex soviet countries to quicken progress, and so on....) can only benefit everyone. There's nothing worse than wasted talent, and if you ask me, someone who was bold and couragious enough to escape persecution or bad future prospects in any non-eu country should be granted at least a hearing. L.E. Just to give a quick example: Romania was second top producer of corn in the EU this year. Since it's manufacture industry is not that highly developed, alot of the raw resources went to the EU. There, it's getting added surplus value, beying transformed into all sorts of things that you can buy at your local french,austrian,italian,belgian or german supermarket(Lidl, Kaufland, Auchan, Careffour,Billa,Mega image ). And the excess is delivered to other markets, to satisfy the needs there. Bottom Line is that it's a win win situation. And I'm sure there's more situations where this applies.[/QUOTE] No one is against the Free Trade that the EU brings, they're against the Political integration.
[QUOTE=The mouse;42812995]No one is against the Free Trade that the EU brings, they're against the Political integration.[/QUOTE] No they're not. Proper conservatives argue about overarching laws, centralised regulation and power struggles between bloc groups. What the right-wing parties are focusing in on is immigration, racism, culture mixing, and all that other bullshit.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42812946]Well there is the whole Fascism thing.[/QUOTE] its highly unlikely fascism will return in strength in europe, ESPECIALLY in europe, the moment their more dumber members start doing shit(look at the EDL and golden dawn), public opinion will turn on them pretty quickly. plus fascism is anti-globalization, and thus bad for business, which is the most important thing nowadays in politics anyway.
oh god quick europe, follow greece and arrest your tea-partyesque politicians, quick before your goverments shut down i don't think fascism is going to be much of a problem though, europe espeacially, is one of the most educated places in the world, the rise of facism really was because the masses were uneducated and the crash of goverments following ww1 led to these massive political movements where it was blame everybody else.
Very dangerous
Uh-oh. How will the liberal utopia that is Facepunch react to this? I think Facepunch is over reacting... Again... Perhaps they mean normal rightwing parties and not those vocal minorities like the tea party, Golden Dawn and the BNP also not all nationalists are racists
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;42812980][video=youtube;jt_-yJMFCe4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_-yJMFCe4[/video] [video=youtube;kUWFwY4OhaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUWFwY4OhaA[/video] So...tea party?[/QUOTE] The tea party is a disturbing mess, somehow uniting fundamentalist warmongering religious nuts who want to control everybody's lives with people who believe in limited government and personal freedom.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813617] also not all nationalists are racists[/QUOTE] no but it's about as bad
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813617]Uh-oh. How will the liberal utopia that is Facepunch react to this? I think Facepunch is over reacting... Again... Perhaps they mean normal rightwing parties and not those vocal minorities like the tea party, Golden Dawn and the BNP also not all nationalists are racists[/QUOTE] nothing good ever comes from nationalism
Thats because what I'll call the extremist nationalists such as BNP and Golden Dawn always ruin it for the moderates and give it a bad name.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813729]Thats because what I'll call the extremist nationalists such as BNP and Golden Dawn always ruin it for the moderates and give it a bad name.[/QUOTE] What the hell is moderate nationalist? "Hey guys, our country's pretty good! I mean, yeah the other ones are pretty good too, but we're a bit better."
No, thats patriotism. I thought an American would know what patriotism is.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813754]No, thats patriotism. I thought an American would know what patriotism is.[/QUOTE] you racist
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813754]No, thats patriotism. I thought an American would know what patriotism is.[/QUOTE] Then what's your definition of nationalism?
Preservation of national identity and culture. You don't really need to close the entire flood gates and halt immigration 100% to do it either.
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