Officer Daren Wilson, cop who killed Mike Brown, seen in video violating a citizens first amendment - Polidicks

[video=youtube;6wAkbovfTeA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAkbovfTeA[/video] In this video Daren Wilson is seen arresting a man for videotaping Soure (& The police files can be found here ) [url]http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shock-video-darren-wilson-violates-1st-amendment-ill-lock-ass-up-arrests-man-filming/[/url]

The Free Thought Project is some nutball conspiracy website though, isn't it? Not sure how readily I'd trust a place like that.

Yes, lets make a mockery of one Police Officer (Ferguson History withheld) for something that many officers do. It's not like he raped a woman and burned down a court house. I'm not saying Officer Wilson is a good guy or an upstanding officer, but the moment we start petty-picking is when the whole ordeal loses its' purpose. Most US cops don't like to be videotaped because of all those ass-hats online who record cops struggling with irate people and then turn around and upload it to YouTube in a manner that makes all cops look bad. Heck, I would get pissed if the cop walked up to me with a camera phone in my face.

At no point in this 15-second video did I see the officer arrest anyone.

[QUOTE=Keys;46498910]Yes, lets make a mockery of one Police Officer (Ferguson History withheld) for something that many officers do. It's not like he raped a woman and burned down a court house. I'm not saying Officer Wilson is a good guy or an upstanding officer, but the moment we start petty-picking is when the whole ordeal loses its' purpose.[/QUOTE] The problem with that mindset is that even if many officers do this, none of them are supposed to, since it's a violation of your rights as a US citizen. And generally, if they're trying to prevent you from videotaping them, it's because they intend to do things that are illegal and/or blatant attacks on the well being of you or some other innocent citizen. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=kidwithsword;46498919]At no point in this 15-second video did I see the officer arrest anyone.[/QUOTE] Presumably he's arresting the guy behind the phone camera. This video is pretty crap, though - partly because it's recording in fucking portrait, mostly because there's absolutely no context for the incident. Dude could be getting arrested for a felony for all we know. I understand it's difficult to get good footage of cops doing things that they don't want you to see, but we can't exactly advertise this as definitive proof of piggery.

[QUOTE=lavacano;46498934]The problem with that mindset is that even if many officers do this, none of them are supposed to, since it's a violation of your rights as a US citizen. And generally, if they're trying to prevent you from videotaping them, it's because they intend to do things that are illegal and/or blatant attacks on the well being of you or some other innocent citizen. [/QUOTE] Or there's the fact people just don't like to be recorded randomly

[QUOTE=Keys;46498910]Yes, lets make a mockery of one Police Officer (Ferguson History withheld) for something that many officers do. It's not like he raped a woman and burned down a court house. I'm not saying Officer Wilson is a good guy or an upstanding officer, but the moment we start petty-picking is when the whole ordeal loses its' purpose. Most US cops don't like to be videotaped because of all those ass-hats online who record cops struggling with irate people and then turn around and upload it to YouTube in a manner that makes all cops look bad. Heck, I would get pissed if the cop walked up to me with a camera phone in my face.[/QUOTE] Accountability for law enforcement is far from petty. I hate being filmed but how is any citizen supposed to defend their innocence or report corruption when they're not allowed to take the best possible evidence? [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;46498967]Or there's the fact people just don't like to be recorded randomly[/QUOTE] That sucks. You're a police officer. Deal with it.

extremely questionable site

To be honest. 100% of the time when people videotape officers its just idiots trying to taunt the officers into arresting them. Guy recording is kind of a asshole.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46498967]Or there's the fact people just don't like to be recorded randomly[/QUOTE] Yeah, why don't they record retail workers on the job? Or how about manufacturing? wait...

[QUOTE=lavacano;46498934]The problem with that mindset is that even if many officers do this, none of them are supposed to, since it's a violation of your rights as a US citizen. And generally, if they're trying to prevent you from videotaping them, it's because they intend to do things that are illegal and/or blatant attacks on the well being of you or some other innocent citizen. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] Presumably he's arresting the guy behind the phone camera. This video is pretty crap, though - partly because it's recording in fucking portrait, mostly because there's absolutely no context for the incident. Dude could be getting arrested for a felony for all we know. I understand it's difficult to get good footage of cops doing things that they don't want you to see, but we can't exactly advertise this as definitive proof of piggery.[/QUOTE] Uhh, No. Head over to YT and look up all those videos of people filming random strangers. Those strangers often get pissed because they don't know why you are taping them. In this case, the cop KNOWS why you are taping him. You're not doing it because you think he's handsome. You're not doing it because you're working on a Social Experiment. You're doing it because you don't like cops, feel they are unfairly authoritative, and as some would claim; 'want to protect yourself'. Which is why the whole 'officers wearing cameras' came into being. But in reality, it is like poking a bear with a stick. You wanted to see what would happen and evoke a reaction. You hope they do something, why else would you film and post it online? That's an instigation. Sure, its not exactly 100% legal, but the officer has the right NOT to be recorded just as much as you do (as a citizen). Many of these videos are LARGELY bias. You see the cop tackling someone to the ground in frustration, or being irate back to a person... but what you don't see is the guy holding the camera 'hovering' over the cop and filming everything he does. Sometimes badgering and [i]egging[/i] them on. Then they go home, edit the footage, and make us all believe every cop is evil and out to get you. It makes people and police uneasy (especially in these times), it is distracting, and in some cases; can be construed as obstruction of the law in that same incident. Again, not trying to defend Police brutality or say that its right for cops to arrest and detain for filming them, but folks need to stop running their mouth without thinking. Sensationalism is dangerous. (Even though I love it here so)

Holy shit this site is banana's, like 90% of the articles are "sovereign citizen bullshit" [url]http://thefreethoughtproject.com/[/url] This shit makes /pol/ look like a credible source

[QUOTE=Keys;46499015] Sure, its not exactly 100% legal, but the officer has the right NOT to be recorded just as much as you do (as a citizen)[/QUOTE] Nobody has an expectation to privacy in public, therefore consent is not needed to record anybody in public spaces.

[QUOTE=lavacano;46499002]Yeah, why don't they record retail workers on the job? Or how about manufacturing? wait...[/QUOTE] Those are up on a wall and people understand their purpose well, along with the fact that that footage generally isn't shoved up on the internet. If someone goes up to you and shoves a camcorder in your face, it's assumed they're going to make it public.

[QUOTE=Keys;46499015]Uhh, No. Head over to YT and look up all those videos of people filming random strangers. Those strangers often get pissed because they don't know why you are taping them. In this case, the cop KNOWS why you are taping him. You're not doing it because you think he's handsome. You're not doing it because you're working on a Social Experiment. You're doing it because you don't like cops, feel they are unfairly authoritative, and as some would claim; 'want to protect yourself'. Which is why the whole 'officers wearing cameras' came into being. But in reality, it is like poking a bear with a stick. You wanted to see what would happen and evoke a reaction. You hope they do something, why else would you film and post it online? That's an instigation. Sure, its not exactly 100% legal, but the officer has the right NOT to be recorded just as much as you do (as a citizen). Many of these videos are LARGELY bias. You see the cop tackling someone to the ground in frustration, or being irate back to a person... but what you don't see is the guy holding the camera 'hovering' over the cop and filming everything he does. Sometimes badgering and [i]egging[/i] them on. Then they go home, edit the footage, and make us all believe every cop is evil and out to get you. It makes people and police uneasy (especially in these times), it is distracting, and in some cases; can be construed as obstruction of the law in that same incident. Again, not trying to defend Police brutality or say that its right for cops to arrest and detain for filming them, but folks need to stop running their mouth without thinking. Sensationalism is dangerous. (Even though I love it here so)[/QUOTE] You're comparing the recording of public officials on the clock in public spaces, who may or may not be a threat to the public they're meant to serve, to the recording of someone who is not currently at work and is just trying to walk down the city for personal reasons. There's a difference between ensuring police officers don't go down the wrong path and taking creepshots of that girl across the street. I understand the fact that most of these people are the "all cops are pigs anarchy 4ever" type, and that's probably not doing wonders for my case, but still.

[QUOTE=Neddy;46499001]To be honest. 100% of the time when people videotape officers its just idiots trying to taunt the officers into arresting them. .[/QUOTE] There's a good amount of footage on youtube where the officer approaches the citizen and makes himself look like an idiot on film, it's not always the asshole photographer.

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499043]Nobody has an expectation to privacy in public, therefore consent is not needed to record anybody in public spaces.[/QUOTE] Thats not the god damn point! The point is that no one likes to be filmed without permission, and more so, no one likes to be provoked. People most often film police not to record their misconduct, but to evoke misconduct. Hoping the cop gets pissed so they can post it online. This video is the perfect example. The cop is standing there with his hands in his pocket, a defensive stance. He's standing at a distance when the video starts. He's not chasing the man, he's not beating him with a billy club or pepper spraying him. Yet the guy is standing there, not addressing the cop directly but with a video camera in front. Then asserting "Do I not have the right to film?". He's pushing for conflict, not for a resolution. He's not doing it to prove a point, but to instigate one. Seriously. Fear is a big factor in all this police mumbo-jumbo, on both sides.

Lmfao people are really desperate to tar Wilson at this point, this is bottom of the barrel shit Yes it is a violation, but its also something that happens across the US at a great frequency and currently a matter of public debate. This does not mean that Wilsons shooting of Brown was unjustified, but the attempt here is clearly to demonize him, much the same as all the unrelated bullshit that was dug up to demonize Zimmerman and make Martin look like an innocent child shot dead in cold blood by a racist.

[QUOTE=Keys;46499015]Sure, its not exactly 100% legal, but the officer has the right NOT to be recorded just as much as you do (as a citizen).[/quote] Nobody has the right not to be recorded in public in the US. I can record anyone, anywhere in public, for any reason. Of course, if you harass an officer, that's grounds for getting arrested. That's the case regardless of whether or not you are recording them.

who gives a shit stop digging into the man's personal life and let the courts sort this out

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46499073]Lmfao people are really desperate to tar Wilson at this point, this is bottom of the barrel shit Yes it is a violation, but its also something that happens across the US at a great frequency and currently a matter of public debate. This does not mean that Wilsons shooting of Brown was unjustified, but the attempt here is clearly to demonize him, much the same as all the unrelated bullshit that was dug up to demonize Zimmerman and make Martin look like an innocent child shot dead in cold blood by a racist.[/QUOTE] I feel like we should make it news every time somebody tries to violate our rights.

Lets assume a 16 second video tells the entire story. GJ "Free Thought Project" you really are free thinking, of stupidity

[QUOTE=joes33431;46499093]who gives a shit stop digging into the man's personal life and let the courts sort this out[/QUOTE] The video was posted yesterday, it's just interesting to see what kind of man he might have been before the incident with Mike Brown

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;46499074]Nobody has the right not to be recorded in public in the US. I can record anyone, anywhere in public, for any reason.[/QUOTE] Not always. The state of Florida, for instance, may charge you with things related to wire tapping if you record someone without permission.

[QUOTE=Keys;46499069]Thats not the god damn point! The point is that no one likes to be filmed without permission, and more so, no one likes to be provoked. People most often film police not to record their misconduct, but to evoke misconduct. Hoping the cop gets pissed so they can post it online. This video is the perfect example. The cop is standing there with his hands in his pocket, a defensive stance. He's standing at a distance when the video starts. He's not chasing the man, he's not beating him with a billy club or pepper spraying him. Yet the guy is standing there, not addressing the cop directly but with a video camera in front. Then asserting "Do I not have the right to film?". He's pushing for conflict, not for a resolution. He's not doing it to prove a point, but to instigate one. Seriously. Fear is a big factor in all this police mumbo-jumbo, on both sides.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what people like or what they don't like, it's legal in the USA to film in public, and nobody should be able to arrest another man for exercising this right alone. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=FordLord;46499116]Not always. The state of Florida, for instance, may charge you with things related to wire tapping if you record someone without permission.[/QUOTE] Yes some states do have wiretapping laws, however, in most state laws regarding wiretapping, they don't require consent or permission but simply knowledge of the recording by both parties is enough. IE: somebody pulls out a phone and says they're recording- in most states this is enough. Most states don't have these laws though [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] And I'm pretty sure supreme court precedent overrides these laws for on-duty police officers in public places

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499122]It doesn't matter what people like or what they don't like, it's legal in the USA to film in public, and nobody should be able to arrest another man for exercising this right alone.[/QUOTE] He wasnt arrested for video taping. End of story. He was obstructing a legal process.

Dissapointing lack of "AM I BEING DETAINED?"

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499141]He wasnt arrested for video taping. End of story. He was obstructing a legal process.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]he was arrested for Failure to Obey an Officer; a charge that would later be dropped. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499122] And I'm pretty sure supreme court precedent overrides these laws for on-duty police officers in public places[/QUOTE] Which case is this? [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=cody8295;46499148]obey an officer[/QUOTE] Yup. He was withholding information (vehicle ID) that the officer had just cause to know per the courts. Good arrest imo per FTP: [t]http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/police-report-11.jpg[/t] Thats a good report. Good arrest.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499150]Which case is this? [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] Yup. He was withholding information (vehicle ID) that the officer had just cause to know per the courts. Good arrest imo[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Smile for the camera, coppers — the US Supreme Court has decided to let stand a lesser ruling that allows citizens in the state of Illinois to record police officers performing their official duties. Up until just last year, an anti-eavesdropping legislation on the books across Illinois meant any person within the state could be imprisoned for as much as 15 years for recording a police officer without expressed consent. In August 2011, a federal appeals court struck down the law, but an Illinois prosecutor has asked the Supreme Court — unsuccessfully — to challenge that ruling.[/QUOTE] [url]http://rt.com/usa/supreme-court-illinois-police-653/[/url] I believe there are more [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;46499150]Which case is this? [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] Yup. He was withholding information (vehicle ID) that the officer had just cause to know per the courts. Good arrest imo[/QUOTE] That is information that was collected without consent anyways, no need for arrest imo