Narcissists tend to dominate conversations, who knew?
Bedroom roleplay leaked out into the public eye I see...
Power bottom!
all of trumps "male dominance moves" just look like hes trying super hard to be perceived that way
A lot of what Putin was doing is also installing psychology. Appearing weak is a standard tactic for appearing as a grey man, in order to set up for psychological ambushes. I know this may come off as weird, but it's a fairly well known thing with interrogations. You attempt to look less of a threat then you truly are, and if someone steps on you the wrong way, you can spring trap them.
putins a self aware narcissist he knows exactly how to manipulate people
Ones [I]ex KGB[/I] the other is just a pompous businessman.
I think we know which one wears the pants this relationship.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52451221]Ones [I]ex KGB[/I][/QUOTE]
Ex-clerk/attendant that is. That's what most of his job in there was, making sure soviet officials were having a good time on tours in East Germany. Organizing the top service. Calling in whores, getting the booze, the usual stuff.
So yeah, Putin may have something to offer Trump.
You never look at me during..
[QUOTE=gudman;52451277]Ex-clerk/attendant that is. That's what most of his job in there was, making sure soviet officials were having a good time on tours in East Germany. Organizing the top service. Calling in whores, getting the booze, the usual stuff.
So yeah, Putin may have something to offer Trump.[/QUOTE]
hookers to piss on him again?
Introvert VS extrovert.
I have a feeling that public appearance doesn't matter as much to Putin, given how well known he is for his influence behind the scenes
i opened this thread because it's title got shortened on the forum homepage to "BBC body language expert" and i really didnt know what to expect
[QUOTE=gudman;52451277]Ex-clerk/attendant that is. That's what most of his job in there was, making sure soviet officials were having a good time on tours in East Germany. Organizing the top service. Calling in whores, getting the booze, the usual stuff.
So yeah, Putin may have something to offer Trump.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying his job was to emotionally manipulate soviet officials by preying on their pleasures and vices, all while appearing subordinate for all intents and purposes? Sounds like something a good spy would know how to do, and a skill the KGB would find useful... and would be highly beneficial to someone looking to engage in political or economic corruption, especially if he's also able, like another poster suggested, to spring traps on those people he was previously taking on pleasure cruises.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52450978]A lot of what Putin was doing is also installing psychology. Appearing weak is a standard tactic for appearing as a grey man, in order to set up for psychological ambushes. I know this may come off as weird, but it's a fairly well known thing with interrogations. You attempt to look less of a threat then you truly are, and if someone steps on you the wrong way, you can spring trap them.[/QUOTE]
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.
[QUOTE=Dark Kite;52452225]So you're saying his job was to emotionally manipulate soviet officials by preying on their pleasures and vices, all while appearing subordinate for all intents and purposes? Sounds like something a good spy would know how to do, and a skill the KGB would find useful... and would be highly beneficial to someone looking to engage in political or economic corruption, especially if he's also able, like another poster suggested, to spring traps on those people he was previously taking on pleasure cruises.[/QUOTE]
That's interesting, but no, I said exactly what I said, Putin was organizing leisure time for soviet officials, no strings attached. That's what his job was in Dresden, GDR. KGB had pretty much no intelligence network of their own in East Germany so his assignment there was exactly what it said on the can - director of the "USSR-GDR Friendship Centre". A club organizer.
As for his more "KGB-like" activities, that would be him serving in Second Chief directorate during the early career: counter-intelligence, but mostly wrongthink, in Leningrad of all places - which in practice meant that he was recruiting students as snitches.
One thing Putin as the president and his team are good at - creating and spreading a myth. Most people believe that he was some kind of great intelligence officer with tons of experience and almost uncanny abilities when in reality he was at the bottom of the barrel and his KGB career was abruptly ended by the fall of the Soviet Union. He's a corrupt official with an extremely low (gopnik-low) social background, that's pretty much it for Putin.
[QUOTE=gudman;52452917]That's interesting, but no, I said exactly what I said, Putin was organizing leisure time for soviet officials, no strings attached. That's what his job was in Dresden, GDR. KGB had pretty much no intelligence network of their own in East Germany so his assignment there was exactly what it said on the can - director of the "USSR-GDR Friendship Centre". A club organizer.
As for his more "KGB-like" activities, that would be him serving in Second Chief directorate during the early career: counter-intelligence, but mostly wrongthink, in Leningrad of all places - which in practice meant that he was recruiting students as snitches.
One thing Putin as the president and his team are good at - creating and spreading a myth. Most people believe that he was some kind of great intelligence officer with tons of experience and almost uncanny abilities when in reality he was at the bottom of the barrel and his KGB career was abruptly ended by the fall of the Soviet Union. He's a corrupt official with an extremely low (gopnik-low) social background, that's pretty much it for Putin.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have a really hard-on for hating Putin.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52452954]You seem to have a really hard-on for hating Putin.[/QUOTE]Golly gee gosh, I wonder why.
It's really annoying to me because everytime I see Trump he exercises some very blatant and very textbook body-language "flaws". It's like someone said "yeah just do this and you'll look like the dominant one". Shaking hands violently, always having your hand facing the cameras in said handshake, patting on the back, leading people forwards, gesticulating in speeches. It's all so "default". It couldn't be less subtle.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;52452954]You seem to have a really hard-on for hating Putin.[/QUOTE]
I don't hate Putin, I just despise him. I hate the myths that surround his figure, that's why I go out of my way every time I see one being repeated. There's this thing I find fascinating - there's tons of ideology-driven misconceptions and propaganda, both pro- and against current Russian policies (if one can call it that), inside and outside the country, but one thing pretty much all of that has in common - borderline mysticism when it comes to Putin's personality. He's just a dude, very low social background, ordinary run-of-the-mill biography; there's absolutely nothing special about him. Quite a bit of criminal connections and run-ins with [i]bratva[/i] here and there, but that too is sadly common among modern Russian officials.
Have you ever really stopped to think like wtf is a body language expert?
Like Im a big dude and I throw my weight around a lot but Im definitely not tryin to dominate my friends when were playing DnD. To think that every conversation has people trying to dominate each other is crazy talk.
damn this shit is dumb
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52456514]Have you ever really stopped to think like wtf is a body language expert?
Like Im a big dude and I throw my weight around a lot but Im definitely not tryin to dominate my friends when were playing DnD. To think that every conversation has people trying to dominate each other is crazy talk.[/QUOTE]
if you play a barbarian you're compensating for something.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52456514]Have you ever really stopped to think like wtf is a body language expert?
Like Im a big dude and I throw my weight around a lot but Im definitely not tryin to dominate my friends when were playing DnD. To think that every conversation has people trying to dominate each other is crazy talk.[/QUOTE]
Body language is for the most part subtle, it's usually stuff you don't realize that you're doing. Fidgeting for instance is a sign of discomfort, distress or restlessness. It's not something you actively think about doing.
A body language expert can coach someone to hide these subtle queues and teach them more confident ones. But it does also involve grander gestures, like the ones I mentioned above. While every person acts differently, the expert would be able to analyze what you're doing in everyday interactions and come up with helpful advice from that.
It's just psychology. :chem101:
Okay, so Donald put his hand under Vlad's arm, and this body language expert thinks that because of that he's the dominant one.
Following this train of thought, what is Vlad supposed to do? Extend an arm to pat him on the back, so he becomes dominant? And then what would Donald do in return? Pull him in and whisper into his ear?
Flash cut to ten years into the future: Body language analysis is now the most prestigious job you can have. Fuck you brain surgeons, you wouldn't understand something as 'subtle' as people touching hands, you hack frauds.
World leaders are now so desperate to display their dominance through '''''subtle''''' body language cues that they won't even shake hands anymore, they'll just start furiously grunting at each other while headbutting each other.
It's just psychology. :chem101:
Given Trump is obviously over compensating, I would not put much stock in what she says, if she thinks that Trump is *genuinely* being a tough guy macho Alpha male and not just emulating such tactics.
As others said, I would put money on Putin playing mind games and trying to appear weak to boost Trump's ego, with the sole exception of body language related to compensating for his shorter height while sitting in the chair. The smaller height is something that even he could genuinely want to compensate for, but that's about it.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52459264]Okay, so Donald put his hand under Vlad's arm, and this body language expert thinks that because of that he's the dominant one.
- terrible rant -[/QUOTE]
Holy passive-aggressiveness, Batman. There's countless of studies of this stuff and it's barely a google-search away, you know.
[url]https://www.princeton.edu/news/2013/01/15/dont-read-my-lips-body-language-trumps-face-conveying-intense-emotions[/url]
[url]http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/july/virtual-reality-innovation-072414.html[/url]
[url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/200911/the-psychology-body-language[/url]
[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorgan/2012/10/25/7-surprising-truths-about-body-language/#5fd72b80509f[/url]
If anyone tells you a simple handshake is a signal of power, they're either lying or uninformed. I never said or implied this. I'm talking about [I][B]subtle [/B][/I]body clues - ie fidgeting. Things you do not think about or control. When I say in my first post that the way Trump goes about feeling textbook I literally mean it feels like whoever his coach is opened a book about body language or [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY1K_IefjSA"]watched this terrible documentary[/URL] and said "Yeah, that'll do" without realizing exactly how exaggerated it is.
why the fuck are we discussing which politician is more dominant and alpha like it's a high school gym locker room or something?
what the fuck have we become
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