Sweden Democrats Politician 'waves gun' at meeting - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A local politician for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats (SD) is being investigated by his own party after he brandished a gun at a meeting. Newspaper Smålandsposten reports that the man waved a gun around at an internal meeting in Tingsryd town hall in southern Sweden. The incident has led to the man being asked to leave his political position and the party, but he has chosen not to do so. SD are now investigating whether to expel him.[/QUOTE] And the best part is [QUOTE]The politician explained the incident by saying that he practices pistol shooting.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.thelocal.se/20170323/politician-for-far-right-sweden-democrats-waved-gun-at-meeting"]Source[/URL]

obligitory, practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. practicing safe firearm handling at all times is the only way to actually get in the habit. also this guy sounds like a loon

I mean it's not inherently wrong to bring a gun to a meeting and display it if he was making some relevant gesture or point but the article does not clarify what he was doing with it at the time. Was he pointing it at people, threatening them? Or was he showing people a part of the gun to illustrate a point with the gun laws in a kind of show-and-tell? The context makes a huge difference.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52006739]I mean it's not inherently wrong to bring a gun to a meeting and display it if he was making some relevant gesture or point but the article does not clarify what he was doing with it at the time. Was he pointing it at people, threatening them? Or was he showing people a part of the gun to illustrate a point with the gun laws in a kind of show-and-tell? The context makes a huge difference.[/QUOTE] Maybe in the US it's not wrong to bring a gun to "show and tell" but here it's very wrong, idiotic and VERY illegal.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;52006772]Maybe in the US it's not wrong to bring a gun to "show and tell" but here it's very wrong, idiotic and VERY illegal.[/QUOTE] Is it illegal? I'm not familiar with swedish gun laws.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;52006862]pretty sure gun laws in sweden are like in norway, you only can transport guns for a valid reason. showing it off at a political meeting surely is not one[/QUOTE] As an American, that sounds so bizarre that I can't imagine living under those circumstances. Then again, I guess Scandies can't imagine the insanity of living in a nation without National Health Services, so we're even.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52006898]As an American, that sounds so bizarre that I can't imagine living under those circumstances. Then again, I guess Scandies can't imagine the insanity of living in a nation without National Health Services, so we're even.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? Bringing a gun to any place and showing it off is crazy, even here.

[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;52007080]What are you talking about? Bringing a gun to any place and showing it off is crazy, even here.[/QUOTE] I mean the "you can only transport guns for a valid reason," bit. That's nuts.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52007098]I mean the "you can only transport guns for a valid reason," bit. That's nuts.[/QUOTE] well US gun culture sounds nuts to the rest of the world too

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52007098]I mean the "you can only transport guns for a valid reason," bit. That's nuts.[/QUOTE] Me and many others here are very happy that our gun laws is no where near US gun laws because if that was the case then everyone becomes a potential shooter.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;52007287]Me and many others here are very happy that our gun laws is no where near US gun laws because if that was the case then everyone becomes a potential shooter.[/QUOTE] And everyone driving a truck is a potential human bulldozer? I don't like the narrative that possession = malicious intent

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52007396]And everyone driving a truck is a potential human bulldozer? I don't like the narrative that possession = malicious intent[/QUOTE] Im sorry but thats not nearly even comparable, as driving bulldozers usually requires years of learning a trade and eventually having to do a drivers license to even drive the thing. Unlike your gun culture where it seems you have to take some piss easy test and then you are free to walk around with a fucking AR-15 in Walmart like you're living in Somalia.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52007163]well US gun culture sounds nuts to the rest of the world too[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you know you love us for it. :)

[QUOTE=Bird;52007419]Trucks aren't made to kill people, guns are. I am happy with the Swedish gun laws, but if the Americans want a more liberal approach that's totally fine by me.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=freaka;52007415]Im sorry but thats not nearly even comparable, as driving bulldozers usually requires years of learning a trade and eventually having to do a drivers license to even drive the thing. Unlike your gun culture where it seems you have to take some piss easy test and then you are free to walk around with a fucking AR-15 in Walmart like you're living in Somalia.[/QUOTE] 1. I was talking about using a truck as a bulldozer, running people over like we have seen in many places. Did those people pass any tests? Not literal construction bulldozers. 2. Treating guns as purely weapons of wanton murder is a self fulfilling prophecy. Guns are made to shoot bullets, not explicitly at people, but because your culture has demonized them so, that becomes their only purpose in the public's eye in your country. I use my guns to have fun at the range and target shoot, but when you treat them as purely existing to kill people then they become demonized, laws are created against them, and then the only people left using them are murderers. So by treating guns as exclusively weapons you create that reality unnecessarily. Guns are much more than murder tools, they are fun target shooters and hunting devices. So no, they are not "made to kill people". 3. If walking around with weapons makes the US comparable to the shithole that is Somalia, then you need to re-evaluate how you view countries.

I'm slowly, very slowly studying for my hunting "degree" in Sweden and I'm quite happy that there's so much weight put behind the safe of handling and thorough understanding of firearms in the curriculum. As much as I'd want to own and shoot weapons unobtainable here in Sweden, I'm rather satisfied with the strict and rigid system that we have right now.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52007520]1. I was talking about using a truck as a bulldozer, running people over like we have seen in many places. Did those people pass any tests? Not literal construction bulldozers. 2. Treating guns as purely weapons of wanton murder is a self fulfilling prophecy. Guns are made to shoot bullets, not explicitly at people, but because your culture has demonized them so, that becomes their only purpose in the public's eye in your country. I use my guns to have fun at the range and target shoot, but when you treat them as purely existing to kill people then they become demonized, laws are created against them, and then the only people left using them are murderers. 3. If walking around with weapons makes the US comparable to the shithole that is Somalia, then you need to re-evaluate how you view countries.[/QUOTE] Why would you need to walk around with a gun if the US were a safe place to be? There's a reason Swedish gun laws are like they are, we don't rely on private citizens for safety, and the crime rate in Sweden is so enviably low because of that. Also, gun ranges exist in Sweden, and there is legal hunting. Unlike America, you don't have an automatic right to use a firearm, it's something that you train and get a license for, it's no toy, the requisites are so strict that gun violence using legally acquired firearms is absolutely unheard of. A similarly strict system is used for driving licenses, and as a result Sweden has one of the lowest rates of road deaths. Conversely, you could say that gun fetishism in the US is the reason why it has the highest gun violence rate in the first world.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52007585]Why would you need to walk around with a gun if the US were a safe place to be? There's a reason Swedish gun laws are like they are, we don't rely on private citizens for safety, and the crime rate in Sweden is so enviably low because of that.[/QUOTE] From what I understand most do it as a political statement, which I don't mind. Even if I lived in a relatively safe place I would probably carry because using a gun is the safest means of self defense. Maybe those that carry would feel safer if the police response time was not so high. And we don't "rely" on private citizens for safety, we allow them to add to that safety in addition to protecting themselves. No one should have to rely on an unreliable police force for their personal safety, your personal safety is primarily your responsibility. [QUOTE=Big Bang;52007585] Conversely, you could say that gun fetishism in the US is the reason why it has the highest gun violence rate in the first world.[/QUOTE] Or maybe it is because we have extreme levels of poverty and a huge issue with gang culture. The people "fetishizing" guns are not the murderers, they have an appreciation for firearms which sometimes comes off as cringey (See: "Get Your Man Card Back" advertisement for some gun I can't remember, it's quite embarrassing.) while the murderers are mainly involved in gangs and use guns to do the dirty work. The guns are not the cause of the dirty work.

To be honest gun activist always remind me of SJWs (the cringy type, no the type that helps their community and fellow humans), good hearted in nature but come off as annoying and act like they don't understand the topic they are speaking of. I say this for both sides of the coin, but especially European anti-gun activist.

Oh god, here we go.... Personally I think UK gun laws are superior than Sweden, Finland, Norway and the USA combined.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;52007791]Oh god, here we go.... Personally I think UK gun laws are superior than Sweden, Finland, Norway and the USA combined. I can't understand how any of you even feel safe walking down the street without a robust set of gun laws like what we enjoy in the UK.[/QUOTE] Do you fear getting stabbed when you walk down the street or getting in a car accident everytime you get in a car?

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;52007791]Oh god, here we go.... Personally I think UK gun laws are superior than Sweden, Finland, Norway and the USA combined. I can't understand how any of you feel safe walking down the street without a robust set of gun laws like what we enjoy in the UK.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with the laws that much as I disagree with foreign attitude about US laws. and it's the same way I feel safe living in Tornado Alley, the shootings are just so spread apart it's not worth worrying everyday about it. I can understand your misunderstanding, but you've got to understand our understanding.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;52007791]I can't understand how any of you feel safe walking down the street without a robust set of gun laws like what we enjoy in the UK.[/QUOTE] Then don't base your opinions of a country on headlines and sensationalism? People in the US are not getting gunned down left and right. I feel really safe, most crime is gang related so as long as you don't get involved, you'll be as safe as any other place. It's not like every other person is walking on the street with an ar-15 making death threats to eachother. [QUOTE=Megadave;52007812]I can understand your misunderstanding, but you've got to understand our understanding.[/QUOTE] For some reason that is really beautiful.

What a fucking loon. How did he even think that it was a remotely good idea and that it wouldn't be reported immediately? I may not agree with their policies, but it's goddamn political party and not a gangster movie.

Back to the topic though, this was a pretty stupid move, don't draw it unless you want to use it, or pose by yourself with it.

Yeah that dude's gone. Bye bye political carrier

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52006898]As an American, that sounds so bizarre that I can't imagine living under those circumstances. Then again, I guess Scandies can't imagine the insanity of living in a nation without National Health Services, so we're even.[/QUOTE] its illegal to point a gun and wave it at a crowd here too...

[QUOTE=DeEz;52007993]Yeah that dude's gone. Bye bye political carrier[/QUOTE] Wish we could say the same for the entire party.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;52006772]Maybe in the US it's not wrong to bring a gun to "show and tell" but here it's very wrong, idiotic and VERY illegal.[/QUOTE] Depends on the state/jurisdiction. Here in Texas, we have open carry. You're allowed to open carry a properly registered gun in public, government buildings and businesses that allow it in a safe manner (ie. a secured holster) if you have an open carry license. However, you're not allowed to bring it into places of official government business (ie. a court room), places that serve or sell liquor (liquor stores, bars, gas stations) or any business that protests the use of open carry weapons (which they're required to place a notice at all entry locations.) Concealed carry is a bit different as you can take it into locations which prohibit open carry, but you still can't take it into locations that serve or sell liquor or places of official government business (again, court rooms.) People were all up in arms over open carry when it was brought up as a bill, but it passed and its been in effect for a few years now. I've only ever seen three people in public with open carry and it hasn't bothered me one bit. I have seen a few people scared shitless about it though. I was in an auto parts store at the counter talking with a guy that had a holstered glock about some car audio amps as he was waiting for the employee to RMA an amp. A couple of people walked in after me and once they got a glimpse of the holster and gun, their eyes about popped out of their head and they ran out of the store like they were being chased by a wild bull. Though I don't condone the behavior of the politician if he was actually waving the gun around, which I would have to question because the media have a habit of spinning stories. I could understand if he took the gun out of a holster or concealed location and placed it on the podium or something as long as the safety was on or it was unloaded because they can be uncomfortable for having on for long periods of time.

Just a reminder, the thread topic is about a Swedish politician (?) waving a gun around at a meeting like a loon, not national gun laws. Most national/federal gun laws are largely prudent to varying degrees given where they are in place and make no sense when applied eslewhere.

[QUOTE=freaka;52007415]Im sorry but thats not nearly even comparable, as driving bulldozers usually requires years of learning a trade and eventually having to do a drivers license to even drive the thing. Unlike your gun culture where it seems you have to take some piss easy test and then you are free to walk around with a fucking AR-15 in Walmart like you're living in Somalia.[/QUOTE] If you're living in the middle of bumfuck rural America, then yes it is that easy. For everyone else in the democratic controlled states...