Shit hits fan as pilots ignore tower and land on runway with a car driving across it - Polidicks

[img]http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/canada/2013/03/15/safety_board_launches_probe_of_pearson_nearmiss/air_canada_plane.jpg.size.xxlarge.promo.jpg[/img] [quote]The Transportation Safety Board (TSB) confirmed Friday that it was launching a full investigation into the curious incident when the van rolled onto the active runway and into the path of an arriving Embraer jet. “The aircraft and the vehicle were very close, abnormally close,” said Ewan Tasker, a regional senior investigator with the board. “We see a lot of runway incursions where perhaps they were several thousand feet apart or one was further down the runway. “This one, you have an aircraft that is possibly as close 50 feet (about 15 metres), maybe even a little closer,” Tasker told the Star Friday. “It’s quite serious.”[/quote] [url=http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/03/15/safety_board_launches_probe_of_pearson_nearmiss.html]**SALSA**[/url] TSB is totally pissed at the pilot.

Van's fault. Should investigate that moron instead.

[QUOTE=draugur;39928024]Van's fault. Should investigate that moron instead.[/QUOTE] They are investigating both, read the article.

Pilot is at fault, period. He was told not to land since the van was obstructing the runway and he ignored traffic control orders and went right in anyway. Also, the van was empty. It just . . . drifted onto the runway. Without a driver. Somehow.

Communication should be the utmost important thing in flying, without proper communication stuff like this happens and people can die, as we can clearly see here. Happens everywhere though, so it should be talked about more often. Talk more about communicating?

"i thought those orders were for somebody else" - pilot are you kidding me

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;39928213]"i thought those orders were for somebody else" - pilot are you kidding me[/QUOTE] The guy's crazy, every message the ATC says is started with the planes designation, the kind of thing you should have memorized when you are flying a passenger jet. The numbers also displayed clearly on the dash of most planes so he doesn't have much of an excuse.

Sounds like a really wacky stunt.

so it was a runaway car on a runway in the way of a jet

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;39928213]"i thought those orders were for somebody else" - pilot are you kidding me[/QUOTE] They're gonna go to the tapes, and unless the controller forgot to say the aircraft's callsign, that pilot is absolutely fucked.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;39928174]Talk more about communicating?[/QUOTE] you sound like my ex-gf

Just heard the recording, someone caught it on LiveATC. Controller addressed him as 178 instead of the full "Air Canada 178" on both calls to go around, but that's specific enough to avoid confusion with other traffic.

[QUOTE=koeniginator;39928339]so it was a runaway car on a runway in the way of a jet[/QUOTE] . . . yes yes it was

[QUOTE=draugur;39928024]Van's fault. Should investigate that moron instead.[/QUOTE] people are always driving cars on runways [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ax5ZIdFoW1U/St2Q1y68BkI/AAAAAAAAcho/lrPZHYVWjNw/s400/gibraltar-airport-runway-02.jpg[/IMG]

was expecting American Airlines

[QUOTE=meppers;39928549]people are always driving cars on runways [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ax5ZIdFoW1U/St2Q1y68BkI/AAAAAAAAcho/lrPZHYVWjNw/s400/gibraltar-airport-runway-02.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Is this an actual thing? where the fuck?

[QUOTE=meppers;39928549]people are always driving cars on runways [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ax5ZIdFoW1U/St2Q1y68BkI/AAAAAAAAcho/lrPZHYVWjNw/s400/gibraltar-airport-runway-02.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Welp. I am used to train crossings. I even got used to retractable bridges - basically ship crossings. But this is a new one to me.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;39931516]Is this an actual thing? where the fuck?[/QUOTE] The link to the picture says Gibraltar Airport.

[QUOTE=meppers;39928549]people are always driving cars on runways [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ax5ZIdFoW1U/St2Q1y68BkI/AAAAAAAAcho/lrPZHYVWjNw/s400/gibraltar-airport-runway-02.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] things go well untill someone goes through the red light [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tomo Takino;39931552]The link to the picture say Gibraltar Airport.[/QUOTE] it's not Gibraltar Airport it's actual Airport Gibraltar

[QUOTE=Trooper0315;39928266]The guy's crazy, every message the ATC says is started with the planes designation, the kind of thing you should have memorized when you are flying a passenger jet. The numbers also displayed clearly on the dash of most planes so he doesn't have much of an excuse.[/QUOTE] Sorta. Every aircraft that flies has a callsign specific to its airline or in the case of a private charter its tail number/registration (which is what you refer to). Every time a pilot takes command of an aircraft and speaks on the radio, he must clearly append to each transmission that callsign. The controlling authority whether it be ground, tower, radar or area control must speak that callsign BEFORE any further communication is given. So therefore any communication to/from an aircraft with callsign "xyzair 123" will need to have "xyzair 123" at either the start or the end of it. That callsign is normally his airline name (United for United Airlines, Easy for easyJet, Speedbird for British Airways etc etc) and a 3/4-digit alphanumeric identifier (12V/123V), so it could be "easy-one-two-three-victor" as your callsign on a flight lasting an hour and then on the return it could be something completely different. If you fly four routes a day then that's four different callsigns you have to memorise. There is a slim chance that there is some weight to him 'forgetting' his callsign. If he was the pilot-not-flying (PNF) he may not have any excuse as commonly they are the member of flightcrew delegated the task with communication and relaying instructions from control to the pilot flying the aircraft. If he was the pilot flying the aircraft and for whatever reason had to answer the radio call OR did not have the communication relayed by the PNF at that time, there would be weight to him 'forgetting' his callsign as those things change every time you remove the aircraft from the stand. That said every member of flight crew are briefed before they even board the plane to their callsign and any information pertaining to air traffic - so there is not really an excuse.. There is one factor you are all forgetting as well. As the monicker goes, "navigate, aviate, communicate". Command of an aircraft should always follow that order. YOU are in command of the aircraft, not a man sat in a tower or radar room or area building several miles away. You have a clear and present idea of what is going on up there - he does not. It is ultimately up to you and you alone what you do - it is heavily advised by both law and common practice you abide by what air traffic control tell you but it is not a requirement if there is justified reason to go against it. If air traffic control tell me to climb from 3000ft to 5000ft, and I know for a fact that there is a big, dense, threatening-looking thundercloud above me then I will kindly advise them that they may not want me to do that - and I won't do it. You can be courteous about it but how is some guy, 30 miles away only seeing you as a green blip on a radar display with some text attached going to know about localised weather, traffic and environmental conditions? Probability says the pilot was at fault here, as much as whoever was in that van. However there may be external factors none of us are aware of and despite popular acclaim, air traffic control is not the ultimate force in controlling an aircraft - the pilot flying it is.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;39931516]Is this an actual thing? where the fuck?[/QUOTE] Happens at the airport down the road from me. It's hard to find any good picture of it but this is from google maps. We only get prop planes landing here, apart from the very rare small jet every so often. [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/23uza09.png[/IMG] On either side there's a railway crossing-style lights and barrier system with airport security operating the barriers.

Reminds me of this video: [url]http://vimeo.com/28422564[/url]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39928402]you sound like my ex-gf[/QUOTE] The funniest part is that you never had a gf

Is there a video of this?

[QUOTE=Exploits;39928112]Pilot is at fault, period. He was told not to land since the van was obstructing the runway and he ignored traffic control orders and went right in anyway. Also, the van was empty. It just . . . drifted onto the runway. Without a driver. Somehow.[/QUOTE] He said he thought the order was for someone else. You don't get many commands from ATC after being cleared to land, generally, I could see if they missed it or let it go in and out of their ears. It is Air Canada and it was Ottowa, after all

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;39928213]"i thought those orders were for somebody else" - pilot are you kidding me[/QUOTE] "Don't land, I repeat DON'T LAND! WHAT THE SHIT! YOU'RE LANDING! STOP IT! STOOOP IIIT" "Hm, I wonder who those orders are directed to?"

[QUOTE=mscmn;39928457]Just heard the recording, someone caught it on LiveATC. Controller addressed him as 178 instead of the full "Air Canada 178" on both calls to go around, but that's specific enough to avoid confusion with other traffic.[/QUOTE] link it. nevermind, found it. tower clearly tells him to go around. [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtTupelo;39933516]"Don't land, I repeat DON'T LAND! WHAT THE SHIT! YOU'RE LANDING! STOP IT! STOOOP IIIT" "Hm, I wonder who those orders are directed to?"[/QUOTE] there are five runways at Pearson.

[QUOTE=meppers;39928549]people are always driving cars on runways [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ax5ZIdFoW1U/St2Q1y68BkI/AAAAAAAAcho/lrPZHYVWjNw/s400/gibraltar-airport-runway-02.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] There's a similar crossing in San Diego to connect the airport with the USCG station nearby, but it hasn't been used since the early 90s (since fixed-wing aircraft were no longer stationed there) except for a few very rare occurrences.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;39933256]He said he thought the order was for someone else. You don't get many commands from ATC after being cleared to land, generally, I could see if they missed it or let it go in and out of their ears. It is Air Canada and it was Ottowa, after all[/QUOTE] Pearson Airport is Toronto, Ottawa is Macdonald-Cartier. I'm also concerned with how an empty van managed to "drift" onto the airport tarmac. What the fuck is up with that?

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;39933516]"Don't land, I repeat DON'T LAND! WHAT THE SHIT! YOU'RE LANDING! STOP IT! STOOOP IIIT" "Hm, I wonder who those orders are directed to?"[/QUOTE] Or "Hey, don't land. Don't land on the runway. There's a van on the runway, do not land. Hey, asshole, don't fucking land on the runway, there's a goddamn van on the RUNWAY STOP FUCKING LANDING"