Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence: Student Suspended For Knife In Father's Car - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A high school student in Montgomery County has been suspended after school officials found a knife inside his father's car. On Thursday, Duren-Sanner, a senior at Northeast High School drove his father's car to school. During a random lockdown, his car was chosen to be searched. His father is a commercial fisherman on the West Coast and had apparently left a fishing knife in the car. Duren-Sanner's father said it might have been wedged between one of the seats. Duren-Sanner said he told school officials and the Sheriff's department the car was his father's and he didn't know the knife was in it. "Unfortunately (the vice principal) said that's the way it is now: Guilty until proven innocent. It's part of this zero tolerance policy," she said." [/QUOTE] [i][B]Source:[/B][/i] [url]http://www.newschannel5.com/story/24811452/clarksville-student-suspended-for-knife-in-fathers-car[/url]

When idiots run the school system it's to be expected.

Owning a knife is a crime now?

Some people just need to be isolated for their stupidity. How the fuck did they think it was a good idea?

Does that principle have no empathy? And what the fuck is this "Guilty until proven innocent shit"? I thought the US Justice System was made "Innocent until proven guilty" This whole zero tolerance policy is giving the worst message to children.

I can't believe that this is even true. Like, why is the STUDENT suspended for something his father did? Unless he grabbed the knife, threatened the people searching his car with it, then it'd be at least somewhat justifiable but no, this is just utter bullshit.

You cut up your bread? You must have used a knife for that. SUSPENDED!

random locker searches I can understand but where on earth does a school come off searching the vehicle without a warrant? I feel we're not getting the full story, it says there was a lockdown so maybe there was a situation, or someone saw the knife from outside the car (like it was sitting on a seat or something) and reported it. [QUOTE=Oizen;44043101]Owning a knife is a crime now?[/QUOTE] on a school campus you twit

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44043127]Does that principle have no empathy? And what the fuck is this "Guilty until proven innocent shit"? I thought the US Justice System was made "Innocent until proven guilty" This whole zero tolerance policy is giving the worst message to children.[/QUOTE] It's even in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [quote](1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.[/quote] [url]http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a11[/url]

"Lockdown" Is this a school or a prison?

[QUOTE=dai;44043239]random locker searches I can understand but where on earth does a school come off searching the vehicle without a warrant? I feel we're not getting the full story, it says there was a lockdown so maybe there was a situation, or someone saw the knife from outside the car (like it was sitting on a seat or something) and reported it. on a school campus you twit[/QUOTE] It says in the article he gave them permission to search the car since he had nothing to hide.

[QUOTE=dai;44043239]random locker searches I can understand but where on earth does a school come off searching the vehicle without a warrant? I feel we're not getting the full story, it says there was a lockdown so maybe there was a situation, or someone saw the knife from outside the car [B](like it was sitting on a seat or something)[/B] and reported it.[/QUOTE] "Duren-Sanner's father said it might have been wedged between one of the seats." Also what kind of name is Duren-Sanner

[QUOTE=dai;44043239]random locker searches I can understand but where on earth does a school come off searching the vehicle without a warrant? I feel we're not getting the full story, it says there was a lockdown so maybe there was a situation, or someone saw the knife from outside the car (like it was sitting on a seat or something) and reported it. on a school campus you twit[/QUOTE] during a [I]random[/I] lockdown. It was a drill likely. Also, article says the kid consented because he had nothing to hide. Did... did you read the article? [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] Jeez, I don't think Dai read the article.

[QUOTE=Grocel;44043281]"Lockdown" Is this a school or a prison?[/QUOTE] When a school goes into lockdown, they do it to protect the students from sort of dangers. Classroom doors get shut and barred/locked, police get called, ect. It's just like a firedrill or forcing students to get under a desk during a tornado.

i love how they can randomly search vehicles like that

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;44043358]i love how they can randomly search vehicles like that[/QUOTE] They can't randomly do it unless they're given permission from the owner, which they got.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;44043358]i love how they can randomly search vehicles like that[/QUOTE] I don't know how it is there, but it's most likely that you must consent to random vehicle searches if you want a parking permit.

[QUOTE=Grocel;44043281]"Lockdown" Is this a school or a prison?[/QUOTE] They are drills to practice procedure for things like shootings. In my school they were basically used to search everyone for weed. The police station was across the street and they brought in a K9 unit every time to sniff cars and lockers. There was a time when I was in 7th grade that the entire school was locked down for 4 hours and everyone in all classrooms had to pile their bookbags in a corner as the police went through and checked everyones stuff and then our pockets and shoes.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44043387]They can't randomly do it unless they're given permission from the owner, which they got.[/QUOTE] guess what happens if you don't give them consent!

[QUOTE=Boaraes;44043389]I don't know how it is there, but it's most likely that you must consent to random vehicle searches if you want a parking permit.[/QUOTE] thanks to the part (that was conveniently not quoted at all in the quoted snippet), they explained he consented. I wouldn't put it past some places to add it to a clause in parking permits though [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;44043421]They are drills to practice procedure for things like shootings. In my school they were basically used to search everyone for weed. The police station was across the street and they brought in a K9 unit every time to sniff cars and lockers. There was a time when I was in 7th grade that the entire school was locked down for 4 hours and everyone in all classrooms had to pile their bookbags in a corner as the police went through and checked everyones stuff and then our pockets and shoes.[/QUOTE] I don't know why but 6th-8th grade was the only time I ever experienced regular lockdowns for drug units to sniff around, nothing happened throughout high school except for one time when a dude got busted by the cops for posession outside of school

[QUOTE=Lord Fear;44043271]It's even in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [URL]http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a11[/URL][/QUOTE] This isn't a penal offence though. Which means there's a lower standard. It's a school enforcing it's own rules. It's not a state|country enforcing it's criminal (penal) code. Just saying why why the presumption of innocence doesn't actually apply in this case from a purely legal standpoint. There's nothing to set up a requirement of it. The school is still retarded.

How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a gun violence problem when 'lockdown' drills to practice procedure during a shooting are considered normal.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;44043457]This isn't a penal offence though. Which means there's a lower standard. It's a school enforcing it's own rules. It's not a state|country enforcing it's criminal (penal) code[/QUOTE] I know that. But it was mean to show that the whole "Innocent before proven guilty" thing is higher than just the US Justice Department.

Or police searching students in school for that matter, what the fuck.

[QUOTE=Lord Fear;44043271]It's even in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [quote](1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.[/quote] [url]http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a11[/url][/QUOTE] If there's anything I've learned being in the US school system it's that policies like this apparently don't apply to students.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043462]How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a gun violence problem when 'lockdown' drills to practice procedure during a shooting are considered normal.[/QUOTE] we have lockdown drills and I don't think Canada has a gun violence problem..

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043462]How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a gun violence problem when 'lockdown' drills to practice procedure during a shooting are considered normal.[/QUOTE] I had plenty of random lockdowns in high school, and this was well before the Aurora theater shooting and Sandy Hook. Regardless, school and public mass shootings are statistically irrelevant to the "gun violence problem." Shut up with this crap.

[QUOTE=Oizen;44043101]Owning a knife is a crime now?[/QUOTE] Bringing one to a school is.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043462]How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a gun violence problem when 'lockdown' drills to practice procedure during a shooting are considered normal.[/QUOTE] we also had regular tornado drills, fire drills, and twice a year practiced getting into an atomic bunker at my school, doesn't say much other than people like the little sense of security to quell the paranoid delusion that things are extremely likely to happen to you

[QUOTE=dai;44043455]thanks to the part (that was conveniently not quoted at all in the quoted snippet), they explained he consented. I wouldn't put it past some places to add it to a clause in parking permits though I don't know why but 6th-8th grade was the only time I ever experienced regular lockdowns for drug units to sniff around, nothing happened throughout high school except for one time when a dude got busted by the cops for posession outside of school[/QUOTE] Middle schoolers are devils.