5 Afghan teens in Sweden charged with raping Afghan boy. Not to be deported due to security concerns - Polidicks

[quote=Washington Post Dec 6th]STOCKHOLM — Swedish authorities on Tuesday charged five teenagers from Afghanistan with aggravated rape for allegedly dragging another Afghan boy into a forest, threatening him with a knife and raping him. The alleged assault took place in October in a forested area in the city of Uppsala, north of Stockholm. Prosecutor Johan Stromback told The Associated Press that the five suspects are 16 and 17 years old, while the boy they allegedly assaulted is under 15. Stromback said all arrived in Sweden as unaccompanied minors seeking asylum. The accused were charged with aggravated rape of a minor, a crime in Sweden that is punishable by at least four years in prison for adults and juvenile detention for minors, he said. The indictment calls for all five to be expelled from Sweden and barred from returning after serving any sentences. According to the indictment, the accused punched the alleged victim in the head, raped him and spat on him. It said the assault “was planned and lasted for at least an hour” and left the boy with bruises, scrapes and bite marks on his back. The accused allegedly filmed parts of the assault and threatened to post clips on social media if the victim went to police. The indictment says two suspects have acknowledged some allegations, but none has confessed to a criminal act. Stefan Wallin, a defense lawyer representing one youth, said his client neither admits nor denies the charges. “He has no recollection of the events because of alcohol intoxication,” Wallin told the AP.[/quote] [quote=Khaama Press Afghan News Press release Dec 30th]A Swedish court has ruled out deportation of five Afghan teens after convicting them of gang rape of a fellow minor refugee, it has been reported. The prosecutors have reportedly asked for the deportation of the five teens charged with the rape of their fellow refugee hailing from Afghanistan. The district court in Uppsala, north of Stockholm awarded a one year and three months of detention to each of four convicts while the fifth convict was awarded a 13-month jail term. The five were ordered to pay damages of 250,000 kronor (27,600 dollars) to the victim whose identity was shielded by the court. The court ruled that the deportation of the convicts was stopped considering the age of the defendants and the deteriorating security situation of Afghanistan.[/quote] Sources in order of which they were quoted: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/5-teens-in-sweden-charged-with-raping-fellow-afghan-boy/2016/12/06/08792d5c-bbc9-11e6-ae79-bec72d34f8c9_story.html[/url] [url]http://www.khaama.com/sweden-not-to-deport-5-afghan-teens-after-convicting-them-of-gang-rape-02584[/url] Just figured I post the story with better sources.

It's important to note that the decision in this particular case seems [url=http://www.opbw.org/nat_imp/leg_reg/sweden/Penalcode.pdf]perfectly in line with the Swedish penal code.[/url] As by the book as they go - Sweden has insanely light penalties for sexual offenses for adults, and these were all minors. Also, most civilized countries don't make a habit of deporting kids to active warzones.

Oh how everfull lenient and forgiving they are to those poor immigrant rapists coming over here demanding asylum and protection and then acting like animals here in Sweden, the Swedish state feel more pity for the perpetrator then the victims here. Reminds me of another atypical case for Sweden - Swedish 12 year old gets beaten and raped by a 17 year old african immigrant who only gets 180 hours community service and no deportation. Later on he got it reduced to 22 hours community service. How progressive! [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.nu%2Fmedelpad%2Fsundsvall%2F18-aring-doms-for-barnvaldtakt[/url] [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.friatider.se%2Fmuhameds-kommentar-n-r-han-v-ldtog-ida-12-svart-snopp-r-dyrt-kommer-nu-undan-med-22-dagar-samh-llstj[/url] Then in the same city of Sundsvall another Swedish 13 year old gets raped and beaten up by another immigrant and then she and her family gets so threathened and harrassed by the rapists friends they have to flee the country to Norway. Our progressive police and government somehow didn't feel like protecting its own citizens. [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.nu%2Fmedelpad%2Fsundsvall%2F13-aring-blev-valdtagen-misshandlas-och-trakasseras-nu-av-garningsmannens-vanner[/url] [url]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkriminellt.com%2Fvaldtagen-13-aring-tvingas-fly-landet%2F[/url]

[QUOTE=archangel125;51613738]It's important to note that the decision in this particular case seems [url=http://www.opbw.org/nat_imp/leg_reg/sweden/Penalcode.pdf]perfectly in line with the Swedish penal code.[/url] As by the book as they go - Sweden has insanely light penalties for sexual offenses for adults, and these were all minors. Also, most civilized countries don't make a habit of deporting kids to active warzones.[/QUOTE] Having light penalties for [I]sexual assault[/I] just seems like an overall bad idea.

[QUOTE=GÃ©za!;51613744]Having light penalties for [I]sexual assault[/I] just seems like an overall bad idea.[/QUOTE] Not disagreeing with you there, but it seems to work for them. Doesn't Sweden have one of the lowest crime rates in the western world?

[QUOTE=GÃ©za!;51613744]Having light penalties for [I]sexual assault[/I] just seems like an overall bad idea.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Should be harsh for everyone, and for any immigrants or those saying they are refugees it should mean immediate deportation and selling of all their possessions up to a determined sum to pay for ruining someones life.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613750]Agreed. Should be harsh for everyone, and for any immigrants or those saying they are refugees it should mean immediate deportation and selling of all their possessions up to a determined sum to pay for ruining someones life.[/QUOTE] Why should immigrants and refugees have any different treatment under the law as any other group? You're trudging into some ugly territory making such assertions, man.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51613749]Not disagreeing with you there, but it seems to work for them. Doesn't Sweden have one of the lowest crime rates in the western world?[/QUOTE] Not when it comes to rape.

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;51613764]Not when it comes to rape.[/QUOTE] Then maybe they ought to do what Canada does - if an offender is deemed dangerous or at risk to offend again, they're kept locked up until they're no longer deemed a threat.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613763]Why should immigrants and refugees have any different treatment under the law as any other group? You're trudging into some ugly territory making such assertions, man.[/QUOTE] What is happening here is that immigrants get lighter treatment than native citizens.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613763]Why should immigrants and refugees have any different treatment under the law as any other group? You're trudging into some ugly territory making such assertions, man.[/QUOTE] Because usually the ones committing these crimes coming here are fined to pay the victims, but since they have like no money or income they can avoid doing so and the victim gets nothing! In many cases this is the only way. [QUOTE=Fourier;51613779]What ever is happening here is that they get lighter treatment than their native citizens.[/QUOTE] Truer words about what is going in here in Sweden have never been spoken.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613750]Agreed. Should be harsh for everyone, and for any immigrants or those saying they are refugees it should mean immediate deportation and selling of all their possessions up to a determined sum to pay for ruining someones life.[/QUOTE] Cool agenda dude. How would those suggestions be defensible regarding human rights?

Now that we have established that 4 of the 5 received essentially the maximum sentence prescribed by Swedish law [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613750]Agreed. Should be harsh for everyone, and for any immigrants or those saying they are refugees it should mean immediate deportation and selling of all their possessions up to a determined sum to pay for ruining someones life.[/QUOTE] What if deportation would likely lead to the defendants injury or death? And I think the idea of auctioning possessions should apply to native Swedes as well. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Fourier;51613779]What is happening here is that immigrants get lighter treatment than native citizens.[/QUOTE] Prove it

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51613789]Now that we have established that 4 of the 5 received essentially the maximum sentence prescribed by Swedish law What if deportation would likely lead to the defendants injury or death? And I think the idea of auctioning possessions should apply to native Swedes as well. [/QUOTE] That is unfortunate, but they should have thought of that before raping/killing someone or what else get them deported. [QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51613788]Cool agenda dude. How would those suggestions be defensible regarding human rights?[/QUOTE] Who defends the victims of said rapists and see they get what they been determined to receive for damages done by said rapist? Why won't you think of the victims and their rights and human rights?

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;51613764]Not when it comes to rape.[/QUOTE] They have twice the rape rate of the US [url=http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate]Source[/url]

There's no reason these people should be jailed for such a short amount of time. Even if you believe that they're just a few good boys who made a mistake and deserve another shot or whatever, there's no way such a laughably short amount of time is going to be able to iron out their issues to the point where you can safely assume they won't do this again. They're very lucky not to be shipped back to the shithole of a country they came from where this is acceptable. God knows it's what they deserve. You go to somewhere like Sweden, where a very comfortable life is more or less thrown at you just for existing, and then you do something like this. What right do you have to stay there, after that?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613781]Because usually the ones committing these crimes coming here are fined to pay the victims, but since they have like no money or income they can avoid doing so and the victim gets nothing! In many cases this is the only way.[/QUOTE] Should the same standard be applied to any other person in Sweden who lacks the funds to pay fines? Should the economic lower class be able to have their property seized and sold as legal judgment to the benefit of victims of their crimes? It's potentially a fair stance to take, so long as you're not arguing that [B]only immigrants and refugees[/B] should be held to that standard. [QUOTE=Fourier;51613779]What is happening here is that immigrants get lighter treatment than native citizens.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613781]Truer words about what is going in here in Sweden have never been spoken.[/QUOTE] But that's not what happened here. If it were, I'd agree: immigrants should be charged and sentenced by the same guidelines as anybody else. However, as Archangel pointed out, this is in line with Swedish penal code regarding the subject, which means anybody within Sweden would have faced similar punishment. It's fair to argue the code isn't harsh enough, but it [I]does[/I] seem to apply equally to everybody -- which is the foundation of any functional legal system.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613798] Who defends the victims of said rapists and see they get what they been determined to receive for damages done by said rapist? Why won't you think of the victims and their rights and human rights?[/QUOTE] Uhm, the perpetrators was found guilty and will receive punishment?

[QUOTE=Liem;51613804]They have twice the rape rate of the US [url=http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate]Source[/url][/QUOTE] Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time!

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613781]Because usually the ones committing these crimes coming here are fined to pay the victims, but since they have like no money or income they can avoid doing so and the victim gets nothing![/QUOTE] This is also not true, in that case they would get money from the "brottsoffermyndighet", assuming they have no insurance.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] Get a hold of yourself, man. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51613840]This is also not true, in that case they would get money from the "brottsoffermyndighet", assuming they have no insurance.[/QUOTE] What is the "brottsoffermyndighet?" Is it a public fund of some kind?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613798]That is unfortunate, but they should have thought of that before raping/killing someone or what else get them deported. [/QUOTE] I disagree. Deportation for sufficiently gross crimes seems fair but I think exemptions should be made if the receiving country is engaged in active combat [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613798] Who defends the victims of said rapists and see they get what they been determined to receive for damages done by said rapist? Why won't you think of the victims and their rights and human rights?[/QUOTE] What an absurd accusation.

[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51613788]Cool agenda dude. How would those suggestions be defensible regarding human rights?[/QUOTE] Every time you let someone off lightly on a sentence like this you're giving others the green light that it's not so big of a deal that they should avoid doing it. Harsh punishment deters future offenders, humans are capable of learning from the mistakes of others, some people seem to forget that for some reason. In this case they're learning that Sweden doesn't really care all that much if you rape someone as long as you claim to be under 18. Taking advantage of naive Swedish generosity is not a "Human Right". [QUOTE=Raidyr;51613789] What if deportation would likely lead to the defendants injury or death?[/QUOTE] Then it will either deter others from doing it in the first place or stop them from re-offending, and I don't buy that deportation would most likely lead to their death unless you're actively going out of your way to drop them in an actual war zone. Though if a refugee's response to being given asylum in your country is to rape people, then they're exactly why wherever they "fled" from is so bad in the first place and I can't really be fucked to care at that point. But I also don't think immediate deportation is a sufficient sentence for rape, so I don't really think that's a good solution anyways.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] Sweden also rewrote the laws regarding sexual assault in 2005. I learned that factoid from doing my own research because no one in the previous iterations of this story felt like it.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51613872]Sweden also rewrote the laws regarding sexual assault in 2005. I learned that factoid from doing my own research because no one in the previous iterations of this story felt like it.[/QUOTE] I think immigrants raped and killed, then ate !LORD M!'s entire family. It's the only reason I can think of that he'd be this irrationally triggered by such stories.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;51613815]There's no reason these people should be jailed for such a short amount of time. Even if you believe that they're just a few good boys who made a mistake and deserve another shot or whatever, there's no way such a laughably short amount of time is going to be able to iron out their issues to the point where you can safely assume they won't do this again. They're very lucky not to be shipped back to the shithole of a country they came from where this is acceptable. God knows it's what they deserve. You go to somewhere like Sweden, where a very comfortable life is more or less thrown at you just for existing, and then you do something like this. What right do you have to stay there, after that?[/QUOTE] Sure there is. Prison doesn't work after two years. Two years is the magic number. More than two years and the chance that a person will reoffend begins to increase. I don't give a flying fuck about what feels right or some bullshit need for revenge, I care only about preventing more victims. Sentences above two years risk more victims. After that, alternative forms of punishment need to be used. I'd argue for labor teams that build public works in their community over extended prison stays. Playgrounds, parks, sidewalks, whatever. Studies have found that integrating offenders into the community by physically vesting them in the community can have pretty positive impacts on recidivism. Let them chill in prison for two years. They are, at that point, in prime condition to release to a community work program. If they fuck up, then sure, send them back. As the public you get to feel that bullshit smug satisfaction of watching people be punished for their crimes, as the offender you continue to exist in the community and lead a life that you can actually recover from following the conclusion of your sentence, and as the government you not only spend a fraction on incarceration, but gain obscene volumes of labor to be used for whatever your little government heart desires. Everyone wins. Edit: sorry three years, not two. After three years there is no benefit

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51613869]Every time you let someone off lightly on a sentence like this you're giving others the green light that it's not so big of a deal that they should avoid doing it. Harsh punishment deters future offenders, humans are capable of learning from the mistakes of others, some people seem to forget that for some reason. In this case they're learning that Sweden doesn't really care all that much if you rape someone as long as you claim to be under 18. Taking advantage of naive Swedish generosity is not a "Human Right". Then it will either deter others from doing it in the first place or stop them from re-offending, and I don't buy that deportation would most likely lead to their death unless you're actively going out of your way to drop them in an actual war zone. Though if a refugee's response to being given asylum in your country is to rape people, then they're exactly why wherever they "fled" from is so bad in the first place and I can't really be fucked to care at that point. But I also don't think immediate deportation is a sufficient sentence for rape, so I don't really think that's a good solution anyways.[/QUOTE] It's been pretty conclusively proven that harsh punishments do not deter criminals. See: the entire US justice system. We have among the highest crime rates in the world, the highest rate of recidivism in the world, the highest active prison population in the world, among the longest sentence times in the world, and the harshest prison conditions and sentences of the Western world. Clearly, our highly punitive prison system is not having the intended effect. Rehabilitative systems are objectively better in every measurable capacity. Here's an interesting article, citing a major 2014 study by the National Research Council on the subject: [url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ethics-in-question/201509/harsh-justice[/url] [quote]In recent times, many people, particularly in the United States, have apparently believed that Punishing criminals deters crimes—in fact, the harsher the punishment, the more it will deter crime. This widespread belief is reflected in the fact that, until very recently, a ‘get tough’ mentality dominated American political discourse surrounding crime. From the 1970s well into the 21st century, politicians risked little by advocating for longer sentences and harsher penalties. In advocating for harsh punishments, these leaders generally assured the public that tougher sentences meant less crime. But that turned out not to be the case. Bureau of Justice Statistics/ACLU Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics/ACLU [/quote] A link to the cited study: [url]http://johnjay.jjay.cuny.edu/nrc/NAS_report_on_incarceration.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] They weren't born rapists, you have to target the root causes, educate people that rape is wrong. If you stop immigrating people then undoubtedly there will still be potential rapists in your country if you do nothing else about it. Rapists are most definitely not all immigrants

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] No actually, this has been a very talked about topic in Sweden and if you didn't live under a rock you'd understand why. This is a very abbreviated explanation: Back in 2003 the definition of rape was pretty much heterosexual intercourse. Which led to a lot more sexual assault judgements being ruled out than rape. Public opinion though this was bad and wanted more to fall under rape. Now they have changed the definition to basically inserting anything into a vagina/anus or inserting your penis into someone is considered rape. That change happened around 2009 I believe, I might be a couple of years off. That in turn made rape rulings sky-rocket, since now more crimes that before was not rape are considered rape. I don't know how the US treat rape or what is considered rape, but I'm guessing it's not really a fair comparison in this case. Apart from that the so called unreported rapes have (people assume, I'd find source but I've got shit to do so you'll just have to take my word for it) decreased. More rapes that happen in close relations have been reported than before because, once again, public opinion changed so that it isn't as shameful to report a rape anymore. A society that have few rape convictions doesn't automatically have fewer rapes. It even says on that webzone that someone posted about rape statistics that they don't account for unreported rapes. So no, it's not about immigrants, it's about how the classification of rape have changed and how society has encouraged reporting rapes.

[QUOTE=GunFox;51613889]I'd argue for labor teams that build public works in their community. Playgrounds, parks, sidewalks, whatever. Studies have found that integrating offer dear into the community by physically vesting them in the community can have pretty positive impacts on recidivism. As the public you get to feel that bullshit smug satisfaction of watching people be punished for their crimes, as the offender you continue to exist in the community and lead a life that you can actually recover from following the conclusion of your sentence, and as the government you not only spend a fraction on incarceration, but gain obscene volumes of labor to be used for whatever your little government heart desires. Everyone wins.[/QUOTE] My concern with this is that it would be expanded or used to extract profit from people who don't deserve that kind of treatment. Even if it was initially only used for the most serious offenses I could easily see people justifying expanding it for lesser offenses because 'why not'. Personally I think that using prisons to create profit is a gross conflict of interest and should be avoided. It should be a net loss to the community to imprison offenders so as to prevent anyone from seeking unnecessary sentencing for personal gain.