Native Americans And The US-Mexican Immigration Debate - General

Facepunch, I never get how when ever immigration is brought up, someone will always bring up the Pilgrims and Native Americans, as some way to illiterate the supposed hypocrisy on opponents' part, yet all it does is whitewash history, and be as ignorant as the otherside [img]http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/west/indi.jpg[/img] Native Americans weren't one people under one flag, or even apart of one confederation, there were hundreds of tribes with dozens of confederations, all of which spoke different languages, with native Americans of the southwest, and natives of central Mexico being nothing alike, most of them didn't give a shit what tribe you were from, if you came into their land without before hand permission, even if you were a Native American your self, you couldn't go 10 kilometers outside your Tribe's land without getting kidnapped if not outright killed by the other tribe once they came across you, along with Early European Settlers, and later, for the Mexicans, Americans, and British all the way up to the end of the 19th century, in fact this was so commonplace, the cannon that started the Texas Revolution was loaned to Texan settlers to protect them against common place attacks by Native Americans by the Mexican army Meanwhile why is this even relevant to the immigration debate? This is the same as bringing up Stalin when talking about socialism, or Hitler when talking about Germany, The debate should be the fact that there are 12 million foreign citizens without even holding a passport from ether country, living in another nation where nobody knows where they are form, what their medical and criminal history, and not how both nations were founded

So did you just do a report on this or something? Otherwise this thread is extremely lackluster. I'm pretty sure everyone already knew the content.

This is a complete non-argument. Also, your Stalin-socialism and Hitler-Germany analogues are silly.

I'm Mexican-American and I approve Mexican immigration.

Man I wish our native population was as cool as the Native Americans

In the 1800's America complained about the Irish and Germans, now they're proud to be Americans of German and Irish decent. In the 1900's America complained about the Italians, now they're proud to be Americans of Italian decent. America is just one big boiling pot of different cultures, it doesn't really have its own culture, I guess it died out when your government looked to give America a bigger population via immigration.

[QUOTE=Vasili;25455603]In the 1800's America complained about the Irish and Germans, now they're proud to be Americans of German and Irish decent. In the 1900's America complained about the Italians, now they're proud to be Americans of Italian decent. America is just one big boiling pot of different cultures, it doesn't really have its own culture, I guess it died out when your government looked to give America a bigger population via immigration.[/QUOTE] What do you mean it doesn't have it's own culture? What do you call this explosion of self-indulgent, politically-apathetic, sensationalist bullshit that has come to dominate the western world? I find most of these things are rooted in the US. A lot of fast food places are from the US. Voter turnout in the US is around 50%. Bullshit "news" stations like fox news telling you that Obama is a terrorist and that liberals are freedom-hating commies.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25455710]What do you mean it doesn't have it's own culture? What do you call this explosion of self-indulgent, politically-apathetic, sensationalist bullshit that has come to dominate the western world? I find most of these things are rooted in the US. A lot of fast food places are from the US. Voter turnout in the US is around 50%. Bullshit "news" stations like fox news telling you that Obama is a terrorist and that liberals are freedom-hating commies.[/QUOTE] You can find political extremists and media outlets spreading blatant lies in any country, it's not like the US is the sole responsible at fault. Not everyone in the US is buying the lies spread and not everyone is part of this egocentric 'culture', on the contrary, only a small portion is, and one that is quite laughed at for it too.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;25455710] What do you call this explosion of self-indulgent, politically-apathetic, sensationalist bullshit that has come to dominate the western world? I find most of these things are rooted in the US.[/quote] No they're not. If you want to go look at self indulgence go look at ancient Rome. Political-apathy is also not something that was born out of the US, you can't say people cared for politics until the US was born. Sensationalism is just part of being human and over hyping situations and stories. [quote]A lot of fast food places are from the US. Voter turnout in the US is around 50%. Bullshit "news" stations like fox news telling you that Obama is a terrorist and that liberals are freedom-hating commies.[/QUOTE] Why do you think the US is called 'Secret Empire'? Your corporations have taken over most of the modern world just because its cheap manufacturing and its easy, this isn't American culture and I would be afraid if it was.