Moscow Police arrests 1200 migrants as reaction to fascist riots
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[url]http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russian-police-detain-1200-in-moscow-anti-migrant-raid.aspx?pageID=238&nid=56201&NewsCatID=353[/url]
[quote]Moscow police said Oct. 14 they had detained 1,200 people in an anti-migrant raid on a produce market where a racially-tinged riot took place over the weekend after the killing of an ethnic Russian allegedly by a Muslim migrant from the Caucasus.
"About 1,200 people have been taken to the police in the course of a raid on a produce market in Biryulyovo to check their criminal connections," a representative of the Moscow police told AFP.[/quote]
Stuff is still complicated. All articles seem to be about the fascist riots and I can only find little notions to the fact that the police [B]actually arrested migrants[/B] basically accusing them of association with the murderer the riots were directed at.
Quite a travesty but not surprising, Russian politicians have been encouraging fascist ideas and mindsets throughout the last years.
The article says 1,200 people and not 1,200 migrants, are you sure you're not misinterpreting? It makes more sense if the violent protesters were arrested. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were so, Russia is fucked.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;42521692]The article says 1,200 people and not 1,200 migrants, are you sure you're not misinterpreting? It makes more sense if the violent protesters were arrested. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were so, Russia is fucked.[/QUOTE]
[quote]1,200 people in an anti-migrant raid on a produce market[/quote]
Radio confirms it too, listening to it right now.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
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[url]http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2013-10/moskau-fremdenfeindliche-krawalle[/url]
[quote]Am Tag nach den Krawallen ging die Polizei in dem betroffenen Moskauer Bezirk mit einer Großrazzia gegen Migranten vor. Auf der Suche nach illegalen Gastarbeitern nahmen Beamte Hunderte Menschen vorübergehend fest, kontrollierten zahlreiche Autos und überprüften Dokumente, berichtete das Internetportal lenta.ru. Nach Ansicht von Kommentatoren wollte die Polizei damit die Situation entspannen. [/quote]
Google translate:
[quote]The day after the riots, the police proceeded with a major raid against migrants in the affected district in Moscow. In search of illegal immigrant workers, officers, hundreds of people temporarily fixed, controlled numerous cars and documents reviewed, reported lenta.ru the Internet portal. According to commentators, the police wanted to defuse the situation.[/quote]
[QUOTE=demoguy08;42521692]The article says 1,200 people and not 1,200 migrants, are you sure you're not misinterpreting? It makes more sense if the violent protesters were arrested. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were so, Russia is fucked.[/QUOTE]
anti-migrant raid
Found the original source:
[url]http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/14/thousand/[/url]
if there was no immigrants, Russia's whole economy would hit the floor.
Well fuck
[QUOTE=cucumber;42521805]if there was no immigrants, Russia's whole economy would hit the floor.[/QUOTE]
Russia like most western nations has high unemployment, it need less people not more.
I wonder how much higher paying jobs would be if immigration wasn't a thing in Russia
This is done in order to peacefully quell the fascists in Russia for the time being, so it doesn't look like the state is being too "immigrant friendly" by arresting loads of neo-nazis rioting.
[editline]14th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=cucumber;42521805]if there was no immigrants, Russia's whole economy would hit the floor.[/QUOTE]
Not by a long shot.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42522440]Russia like most western nations has high unemployment, it need less people not more.[/QUOTE]
Russia needs people who want to work, not people who just makes enough money to buy bread, cheese, cigarettes, and vodka.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42522440]Russia like most western nations has high unemployment, it need less people not more.[/QUOTE]
You realize that, since in most developed countries, most people are employed in services, less people means less people seeking work, but also less customers, so less work available for everyone? It's similar with manufacture, food, everything - less people, smaller domestic market, less work available.
Obviously, it's not JUST the other way around either, immigration doesn't guarantee drop of unemployment ad infinitum, but there's a balance and as things are right now, immigrants help more than burden. And that applies to all of America, Britain, and Russia as well.
[QUOTE=cucumber;42522867]Russia needs people who want to work, not people who just makes enough money to buy bread, cheese, cigarettes, and vodka.[/QUOTE]
bread, cheese cigarettes and vodka purchases are still spent in the national economy, the dollars don't exactly vanish.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;42524583]bread, cheese cigarettes and vodka purchases are still spent in the national economy, the dollars don't exactly vanish.[/QUOTE]
I think he was trying to say that a lot of Russians are demotivated and just languish on whatever shitty pseudo job they have, while usually immigrants are far more proactive and seek actual careers, start families, etcetera.
For example, here, in Czech Republic, after the fall of iron curtain, a lot of grocery and convenience stores closed down because it wasn't profitable to run all of them, but they were arbitrarily demanded in the socialist system.
A bit later, a massive influx of Vietnamese emigrants began, and for a reason I don't entirely understand, a [I]lot[/I] of them went straight into minor retail. At first, often semi or unofficial markets selling Chinese junk, but later on, they also started buying or renting the old, decrepit grocery stores and started re-opening them. They usually run them as a family business, you can often see the parents watch over small children as they work there, I think that many actually set up beds in the back rooms and sleep there, as well. The amount of convenient stores and shops, which was steadily dwindling everywhere except the centres and such, mostly pushed out by supermarkets, started going up, and now, there's a grocery store on every other corner, again. It's convenient, it's good for the economy. They practically made the jobs for themselves, they are paying taxes and supporting the country, and they are boosting the overall retail throughput.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42521654][URL]http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russian-police-detain-1200-in-moscow-anti-migrant-raid.aspx?pageID=238&nid=56201&NewsCatID=353[/URL]
Stuff is still complicated. All articles seem to be about the fascist riots and I can only find little notions to the fact that the police [B]actually arrested migrants[/B] basically accusing them of association with the murderer the riots were directed at.
Quite a travesty but not surprising, Russian politicians have been encouraging fascist ideas and mindsets throughout the last years.[/QUOTE]
They did not arrest people based on association - they arrested illegal immigrants, which the article, at least the german version of it, says.. Not that unusual to make larger raids like this from time to time in most European countries either.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42522440]Russia like most western nations has high unemployment, it need less people not more.[/QUOTE]
Russia has a negative population growth, which is bad for any country.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;42528892]They did not arrest people based on association - they arrested illegal immigrants, which the article, at least the german version of it, says.. Not that unusual to make larger raids like this from time to time in most European countries either.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't say that, it says "on the search for illegal guest workers(which is a paradox itself) they arrested hundreds of people". On the english one it says they arrested 1200 migrants during the raid on the fruit market.
And the German says they did a raid targeted at migrants. No word of illegal.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42529132]Russia has a negative population growth, which is bad for any country.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case why does China have a one child policy? A larger population, especially a recently arrived impoverished one, makes government services more expensive to run. The overall population size is less important than the proportion who pay more in taxes than they take and the proportion who pay less in taxes than they take, as long as the former outweighs the later a nation is solvent. In most cases immigrants add to the second group and thus have a negative impact on a nations economy.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42545095]If that's the case why does China have a one child policy? A larger population, especially a recently arrived impoverished one, makes government services more expensive to run. The overall population size is less important than the proportion who pay more in taxes than they take and the proportion who pay less in taxes than they take, as long as the former outweighs the later a nation is solvent. In most cases immigrants add to the second group and thus have a negative impact on a nations economy.[/QUOTE]
You're comparing a country with negative growth to a country that is overpopulated.
Like it's been said, there needs to be balance, China is an extreme, not a balance.
If China spent more time developing their shitty mainland instead of coming up with stupid solutions that don't solve but only delay the problem like one child policies they wouldn't be overpopulated.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42545095]If that's the case why does China have a one child policy?[/QUOTE]
what does China have to do with this? in any case, the one child policy was instated as an attempt to [I]slow down[/I] the population growth, not to actually reverse it and turn it into a decline
when you have negative population growth, the ratio of people who are unable to pay taxes (due to old age) vs people who can will increase (which is a bad thing, as you correctly said)
Where is ironicat when you need him
a bit weird though, my great grandad spent part of his youth shooting at nazis who were trying to invade the city he lived in, now apparently the government is arresting immigrants in order to appease them or something, wtf
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