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[quote]A mother who nursed her premature baby back from the dead has been describing how she refused to give up even though doctors had told her he would not survive.
They were delivered at 27 weeks, weighing just 2lb, and though Mrs Ogg's little girl Emily was healthy, her brother Jamie was not breathing.
After battling to save him for 20 minutes, medical staff told her he had not survived.
"The doctor asked me had we chosen a name for our son," said Mrs Ogg.
"I said 'Jamie' and he turned around with my son already wrapped up and said: 'We've lost Jamie, he didn't make it, sorry'.
"It was the worst feeling I've ever felt. I unwrapped Jamie from his blanket. He was very limp."
Mrs Ogg told Channel 7's Today Tonight programme that she wanted to hold him next to her skin.
"I took my gown off and arranged him on my chest with his head over my arm and just held him.
"He wasn't moving at all and we just started talking to him.
"We told him what his name was and that he had a sister. We told him the things we wanted to do with him throughout his life."
After two hours, he began showing signs of life.
"Jamie occasionally gasped for air, which doctors said was a reflex action," Mrs Ogg explained.
"But then I felt him move as if he were startled, then he started gasping more and more regularly. I gave Jamie some breast milk on my finger, he took it and started regular breathing normally."
"I thought 'Oh my God, what's going on?' A short time later he opened his eyes. It was a miracle.
"Then he held out his hand and grabbed my finger. He opened his eyes and moved his head from side to side. The doctor kept shaking his head saying: 'I don't believe it, I don't believe it'."
It is thought that the warmth of Mrs Ogg's body acted like an incubator to keep the baby warm and stimulated.
It adds weight to the theory of "kangaroo care", named after the way marsupials care for their young in their pouches.
Some experts believe a skin-to-skin approach is more beneficial that taking newborn babies into intensive care incubators.
Jamie is now a healthy five month old.
His father David told the Channel 7 programme: "Luckily I've got a very strong, very smart wife. She instinctively did what she did. If she hadn't done that, Jamie probably wouldn't be here."[/quote]
I heard about this, thought it was bullshit until now.
Its the power of love.
But really, imagine being the doctor, you're feeling pretty bad when you give her the news then she asks to cuddle the baby, quite awkward
That's amazing. :3:
Wow, that's incredible.
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But really, imagine being the doctor, you're feeling pretty bad when you give her the news then she asks to cuddle the baby, quite awkward[/QUOTE]
That's common in stillbirths
This thread has made me feel better
Made me feel warm inside :) good for her and the baby
I feel warm inside :)
I feel warm inside, from the bullshit.
Woo bad and probably made up anecdotes, ended by horrible advice that will kill newborns and cause people to mistrust people who actually know what they're talking about.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24383506]I feel warm inside, from the bullshit.
Woo bad and probably made up anecdotes, ended by horrible advice that will kill newborns and cause people to mistrust people who actually know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you on, really?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24383506]I feel warm inside, from the bullshit.
Woo bad and probably made up anecdotes, ended by horrible advice that will kill newborns and cause people to mistrust people who actually know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE]
You're mean. We need a douche rating!
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24383506]I feel warm inside, from the bullshit.
Woo bad and probably made up anecdotes, ended by horrible advice that will kill newborns and cause people to mistrust people who actually know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE]
You know you're an absolute idiot, right? Okay, good.
Interesting that this lends more credence to the Kangaroo care theory, I remember looking at it in my first year, not particularly relevant to my degree, but was to something I had to research (I'm a zoology student)
A similar effect is achieved by shepherd's who have stillbirth lambs, you put them in a still warm oven for a while and they often begin to wake up. Obviously, it doesn't work for all, but it can save quite a few lambs who would otherwise be dead. I've actually seen it in action, it's a pretty amazing thing.
It's good to see news like this.
So it's good that they end the warm and cuddly article, which makes people easily influenced with a thing like this?
"Some experts believe a skin-to-skin approach is more beneficial that taking newborn babies into intensive care incubators."
It doesn't say at all for what conditions, or when this is appropriate. So now some scared pregnant woman is going to look this up and probably come across a bunch of bullshit thrown by some alt-med/naturalist practitioner and have their baby die as a result of inadequate care.
Yeah, I'm an asshole for thinking this is a bad article.
There's a fucking reason why infant mortality is low, and that's because of medicalization; cuddling a baby, even a dead one is a natural reflex, it probably does help more than doing nothing, but it's nowhere near the same as a ventilator and an ICU incubator.
I hope the kid doesn't have any serious medical problems from being delivered so prematurely.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24384175]So it's good that they end the warm and cuddly article, which makes people easily influenced with a thing like this?
"Some experts believe a skin-to-skin approach is more beneficial that taking newborn babies into intensive care incubators."
It doesn't say at all for what conditions, or when this is appropriate. So now some scared pregnant woman is going to look this up and probably come across a bunch of bullshit thrown by some alt-med/naturalist practitioner and have their baby die as a result of inadequate care.
Yeah, I'm an asshole for thinking this is a bad article.[/QUOTE]
Under circumstances where a child is born premature but alive, the doctors will be able to get the children into incubators anyways, because they provide life support functions that a mother can't provide - any Doctor worth his pay check will be able to explain this to a mother. In cases like this, and these are the ones they are referring to, it makes no difference if the mother holds the child, as it is pronounced medically dead.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24384175]So it's good that they end the warm and cuddly article, which makes people easily influenced with a thing like this?
"Some experts believe a skin-to-skin approach is more beneficial that taking newborn babies into intensive care incubators."
It doesn't say at all for what conditions, or when this is appropriate. So now some scared pregnant woman is going to look this up and probably come across a bunch of bullshit thrown by some alt-med/naturalist practitioner and have their baby die as a result of inadequate care.
Yeah, I'm an asshole for thinking this is a bad article.
There's a fucking reason why infant mortality is low, and that's because of medicalization; cuddling a baby, even a dead one is a natural reflex, it probably does help more than doing nothing, but it's nowhere near the same as a ventilator and an ICU incubator.[/QUOTE]
Stop being an asshole for the sake of it.
Amazing story.
I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child before it had even lived, so it's great that this woman doesn't have to go through that.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;24384213]Under circumstances where a child is born premature but alive, the doctors will be able to get the children into incubators anyways, because they provide life support functions that a mother can't provide - any Doctor worth his pay check will be able to explain this to a mother. In cases like this, and these are the ones they are referring to, it makes no difference if the mother holds the child, as it is pronounced medically dead.[/QUOTE]
They didn't say "In cases where the baby is otherwise dead" they reported completely credulously based on some woman's account of how the birth process went, and then attached a vague warm-sounding line that has the possibility of doing harm.
Also, you would be surprised at how irrational people are, even when they haven't just had a child. You cannot use reason to coax someone out of a position that they did not themselves arrive to to using it.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24383506]I feel warm inside, from the bullshit.
Woo bad and probably made up anecdotes, ended by horrible advice that will kill newborns and cause people to mistrust people who actually know what they're talking about.[/QUOTE]
Where's your heart?
A baby was brought back to life by the warmth of a mother's love who refused to give up.
[QUOTE=Aurain;24384225]Stop being an asshole for the sake of it.
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Oh, okay, I'll just shut up and deal with the media's horrible reporting of health issues. Right, I should just be quiet when media outlets that people place trust in do things that can harm them or their children.
I suppose I shouldn't complain when the Huffington Post puts out articles suggesting that vaccines cause autism, either, then? I should just be quiet and let the herd immunity diminish into nothing, right?
Skin-to-Skin contact is better than nothing in preterm situations, yes. It's also good for preterm babies in their acceptance of breastfeeding and their weight gain. But it will do relatively nothing for a baby that isn't breathing when it comes out compared to normal life support.
Yeah it's totally a fucking miracle, now people are gonna think bullshit like ''god did it''.
Otherwise it's a good thing that the baby survived, everyone is happy but honestly it's not some magical act of divinity, it's a coincidence that the baby somehow reanimated when the woman cuddled it.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24384267]Oh, okay, I'll just shut up and deal with the media's horrible reporting of health issues. Right, I should just be quiet when media outlets that people place trust in do things that can harm them or their children.
I suppose I shouldn't complain when the Huffington Post puts out articles suggesting that vaccines cause autism, either, then? I should just be quiet and let the herd immunity diminish into nothing, right?
Skin-to-Skin contact is better than nothing in preterm situations, yes. It's also good for preterm babies in their acceptance of breastfeeding and their weight gain. But it will do relatively nothing for a baby that isn't breathing when it comes out compared to normal life support.[/QUOTE]
There's a time and a place.
This definitely isn't the place.
If you have issues with how the media report health stories, why not tell them. There's nothing anybody on Facepunch can do about that.
Tell the Huffington Post, Tell Fox News. It comes across as trolling, not helping.
[QUOTE=Aurain;24384394]There's a time and a place.
This definitely isn't the place.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is. You discuss things on a forum and this is a good place to discuss the article in the OP.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;24384213]Under circumstances where a child is born premature but alive, the doctors will be able to get the children into incubators anyways, because they provide life support functions that a mother can't provide - any Doctor worth his pay check will be able to explain this to a mother. In cases like this, and these are the ones they are referring to, it makes no difference if the mother holds the child, as it is pronounced medically dead.[/QUOTE]
Any doctor could explain this to a mother, however, just because it is explained doesn't mean the mother is going to 100% comply with said advice.
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[QUOTE=Aurain;24384394]There's a time and a place.
This definitely isn't the place.
If you have issues with how the media report health stories, why not tell them. There's nothing anybody on Facepunch can do about that.
Tell the Huffington Post, Tell Fox News. It comes across as trolling, not helping.[/QUOTE]
Yeah as stated below you, this is definitely the place.
People need to be more understanding of other persons thoughts. You don't have to agree with them, but calling them names and putting them down is a horrible way of living life.
You should be happy to hear every side of everything no matter whether it is ape shit insane or perfectly into your norm.
You need to put the way you were raised behind you and start accepting that every single person is different and just because someone thinks differently doesn't make them wrong.
[QUOTE=Aurain;24384394]There's a time and a place.
This definitely isn't the place.
If you have issues with how the media report health stories, why not tell them. There's nothing anybody on Facepunch can do about that.
Tell the Huffington Post, Tell Fox News. It comes across as trolling, not helping.[/QUOTE]
So, a thread about a shitty science article that the media put out isn't the place to complain about how the mainstream media does shitty jobs of reporting on science and health issues that are at times even harmful to the public?
Tell me then, when [i]is[/i] a good time to do it?
Oh, I'm sorry I interrupted the stream of content less posts that accepted the story verbatim without stopping to think of the plausibility of any causal connection between the two events as described. Right, I shouldn't say when something is clearly wrong with a story. It might offend someone's sensibilities.
[QUOTE=Squad;24384465]Any doctor could explain this to a mother, however, just because it is explained doesn't mean the mother is going to 100% comply with said advice.
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Yeah as stated below you, this is definitely the place.
People need to be more understanding of other persons thoughts. You don't have to agree with them, but calling them names and putting them down is a horrible way of living life.
You should be happy to hear every side of everything no matter whether it is ape shit insane or perfectly into your norm.
You need to put the way you were raised behind you and start accepting that every single person is different and just because someone thinks differently doesn't make them wrong.[/QUOTE]
No but pushing your own beliefs in someones face on a forum is just annoying.
Not helpful.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;24384675]No but pushing your own beliefs in someones face on a forum is just annoying.
Not helpful.[/QUOTE]
What beliefs? The ones that say that evidence and reason should trump warm-feel good nonsense that does measurable harm to people? The view that the media does a great disservice to people when it causes harm by advocating for positions that have no rational grounding?
Tell me, how are these views not helpful, if I work to change these things? How is spreading awareness of these problems not helpful?
kagrenak's like the media and swine flu lol
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;24384702]What beliefs? The ones that say that evidence and reason should trump warm-feel good nonsense that does measurable harm to people? The view that the media does a great disservice to people when it causes harm by advocating for positions that have no rational grounding?
Tell me, how are these views not helpful, if I work to change these things? How is spreading awareness of these problems not helpful?[/QUOTE]
They did put in a reasonable theory as to why this happened and why would they speak for every single example when they said skin on skin contact is [I]sometimes[/I] better?
Just get out
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