[quote]PHOENIX — Arizona legislators quickly approved emergency legislation Tuesday to head off picketing by a Topeka, Kan., church near the funeral service for a 9-year-old girl who was killed in the Tucson shootings.
Unanimous votes by the House and Senate sent the bill to Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed it Tuesday night. It took effect immediately.
Without specifically mentioning the Tucson shooting, the law prohibits protests at or near funeral sites. The Westboro Baptist Church said Monday it plans to picket Thursday's funeral for Christina Taylor Green because "God sent the shooter to deal with idolatrous America." The fundamentalist church has picketed many military funerals to draw attention to its view that the deaths are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. "This is just horrific that ... people have to deal with this. We shouldn't have to do this in time of great pain for our state," said Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, a Phoenix Democrat. The girl was the youngest of the six people killed during the shooting at an event held by U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was among 13 people injured. Giffords was shot in the head and critically wounded.[/quote]
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[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1048084-CNN-Arizona-lawmakers-plan-to-block-protesters-within-300-feet-of-funerals]I think I've been here before[/url]
[QUOTE=macacan;27363324][url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1048084-CNN-Arizona-lawmakers-plan-to-block-protesters-within-300-feet-of-funerals]I think I've been here before[/url][/QUOTE]
1-Expected to pass legislation.
2-Passed Emergency legislation.
Two different things.
Now, only if other states took this up.
Good news for people thinking about Giffords: Considering an aspect of the brain called "plasticity", the neurosurgeons that operated on her expect her to, through therapy and other treatment methods, to make a return to normality in a certain time period.
Here's some information about plasticity: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity[/url]
Scroll down to "Treatment of brain damage".
The church will sue the state, state will rule against them, they appeal, same until we get to the supreme court and they sadly rule in favor of the church because they need to uphold their rights.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;27363569]The church will sue the state, state will rule against them, they appeal, same until we get to the supreme court and they sadly rule in favor of the church because they need to uphold their rights.[/QUOTE]
And by then the 9 year old is buried and the morons cant picket her funeral.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;27363540]Good news for people thinking about Giffords: Considering an aspect of the brain called "plasticity", the neurosurgeons that operated on her expect her to, through therapy and other treatment methods, to make a return to normality in a certain time period.
Here's some information about plasticity: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity[/URL]
Scroll down to "Treatment of brain damage".[/QUOTE]
Incredible how the human body can heal.
[QUOTE=Valdor;27363761]And by then the 9 year old is buried and the morons cant picket her funeral.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;27363821]Incredible how the human body can heal.[/QUOTE]
It's scary awesome to see how quickly the human body can rewire itself after seemingly cataclysmic damage is incurred.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;27363368]1-Expected to pass legislation.
2-Passed Emergency legislation.
Two different things.[/QUOTE]
Okay.
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;27363569]The church will sue the state, state will rule against them, they appeal, same until we get to the supreme court and they sadly rule in favor of the church because they need to uphold their rights.[/QUOTE]
How do you challenge legislation? (I'm actually asking what the process is, not contradicting you.)
Also, this isn't a violation of anybody's rights. Freedom of assembly does not mean you can protest where ever you want, it means that you are allowed to get together with like minded people to express, promote and defend common interests. Where it can be done is never mentioned in any federal legislature.
The first amendment covers the right to petition, but only directly refers to such against the government.
[editline]12th January 2011[/editline]
I just found this regarding freedom of assembly:
[url=http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-human-rights-act/the-convention-rights/article-11-freedom-of-assembly-and-association.html][i]2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, but I just talk out of my arse, right here, in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.[/i][/url]
In other words, freedom of assembly can be restricted in order to protect morals and picketing a funeral is pretty immoral, as I said in the other thread.
[QUOTE=macacan;27363959]How do you challenge legislation? (I'm actually asking what the process is, not contradicting you.)[/QUOTE]
You sue the state.
[QUOTE=macacan;27363959]Also, this isn't a violation of anybody's rights. Freedom of assembly does not mean you can protest where ever you want, it means that you are allowed to get together with like minded people to express, promote and defend common interests. Where it can be done is never mentioned in any federal legislature.[/QUOTE]
That's up to the courts to decide.
[QUOTE=TH89;27363966]You sue the state.
That's up to the courts to decide.[/QUOTE]
Decided.
[i]1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.[/i]
Stupid law.
I would say protesting a private funeral borders on physical harassment and similar harassment-like crimes. Good on em' for stopping those bastards while staying within 1st Amendment limits; atleast in my opinion.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27364100]Stupid law.[/QUOTE]
agreed
obviously emotions are running high after an event like this, and the legislators used that to their advantage
[editline]11th January 2011[/editline]
I won't be surprised if this law is ruled unconstutional
Good for them, but can't help but feel like this is a slippery slope type situation with the restriction on gathering. If this tragedy is all it takes to start (Even this minorly) restricting first amendment rights, imagine what could happen if something huge happened. (Probably worse than 9/11)
Now i'm glad they passed the law and all and I think it's a perfectly reasonable restriction, but i'm just thinking out loud.
[QUOTE=JDK721;27364129]agreed
obviously emotions are running high after an event like this, and the legislators used that to their advantage
[/QUOTE]
Yea guys Obama is trying to force his communist ideals down our throat by keeping protesters away from funerals.
I seriously hope someone just kills all the members of this "church."
[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;27364170]Yea guys Obama is trying to force his communist ideals down our throat by keeping protesters away from funerals.[/QUOTE]
uhh, what are you doing
I dislike the nature of the law, but I won't say I'm unhappy it can't possibly be repealed before the funeral.
[QUOTE=Master117;27364175]I seriously hope someone just kills all the members of this "church."[/QUOTE]
yeah let's murder anyone who does things that we dislike
great idea
[QUOTE=DanRatherman;27364125]I would say protesting a private funeral borders on physical harassment and similar harassment-like crimes. [/QUOTE]
nope
court ruled in the WBC's favor
[QUOTE=JDK721;27364190]uhh, what are you doing[/QUOTE]
Satire. Learn it.
WBC makes me sick.
[QUOTE=JDK721;27364201]nope
court ruled in the WBC's favor[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=JDK721;27364129]agreed
obviously emotions are running high after an event like this, and the legislators used that to their advantage
[editline]11th January 2011[/editline]
I won't be surprised if this law is ruled unconstutional[/QUOTE]
I really don't see how it's constitutional at all in the first place. It's right up there with vandalism, harassment and "fighting words." It's really not a protest at all, it's just a hate rally, I think it'd be pretty easy to chock it up to inciting violence.
[QUOTE=macacan;27364058]Decided.
[i]1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.[/i][/QUOTE]
Armchair legal expert ITT
[QUOTE=Bryanrocks0;27364242]Satire. Learn it.[/QUOTE]
terrible attempt at satire
i don't see how this law could be unconstitutional. it's not completely banning funeral protesting, it's just placing a limitation on it.
