The US is now training moderate Syrian rebels in Jordan to fight against Daesh/ISIS; expected to tra - Polidicks

[quote]The United States has begun training moderate Syrian rebels as part of an effort to build a force capable of fighting against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group. Ash Carter, the US defence secretary, said on Thursday that the US military had begun training around 90 Syrian fighters in Jordan. "Combat training has begun for a company-sized group from the new Syrian forces," Carter told reporters. "This programme is critical and a complex part of our counter-ISIL efforts." [B]The US plans to train and arm a force that is expected to eventually total more than 15,000 troops. So far, more than 3,750 Syrian fighters have volunteered for the training, and about 400 have completed the pre-screening.[/B] The rebels, who come from several moderate groups in Syria, will get training on basic military equipment and skills, including firearms, communications and command and control abilities. Part of the strategy, according to documents seen by the Reuters news agency, is to pressure President Bashar al-Assad by steadily increasing the opposition's prowess and territory under its control. Proponents of the US military programme note Assad is already facing growing pressure after government forces endured a series of setbacks on the battlefield and ISIL fighters edge closer to Assad's stronghold in the coastal areas. General Martin Dempsey, the top US military officer, said he believed Assad's "momentum has been slowed".[/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/begins-training-syrian-rebels-fight-isil-group-150507210127041.html[/url]

No don't do this, we know what happens when we do this dammit

Can we please just let this conflict weed out the radicals of the region without our intervention?

Sorry, we can't be this dumb. Lets train rebels again, you know, that hasn't backfired before...

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47684601]Can we please just let this conflict weed out the radicals of the region without our intervention?[/QUOTE] the conflict will never weed out the radicals though, africa is a great example of that, they'll just keep killing each other indefinitely.

Inb4 we indirectly create and arm another Taliban

[QUOTE=cody8295;47684654]Inb4 we indirectly create and arm another Taliban[/QUOTE] Epic memes, am I right? AND THIS TOTALLY HASNT HAPPENED BEFORE, right USA?

[QUOTE=L33t Pinez;47684708]Epic memes, am I right? AND THIS TOTALLY HASNT HAPPENED BEFORE, right USA?[/QUOTE] is inb4 a meme? I thought it was just a way of shortening the phase "i acknowledge this might happen:" [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Well it is, dummy! Memeshit, "inb4" warning ban" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

We'll never learn will we.. We just need to stay out of this shit.

I feel like there's a word missing in the title, but I'm not 100% sure. It just hurts to read it.

This definitely will backfire if they don't take the right precautionary procedures to remove any traces of extremism and islamist roots. [QUOTE=cody8295;47684713]is inb4 a meme? I thought it was just a way of shortening the phase "i acknowledge this might happen:"[/QUOTE] apparently its considered one, but in the terms of what your using it for i wouldn't think of you as someone who used that specifically to be a dank meme lord. [QUOTE=Levelog;47684771]I feel like there's a word missing in the title, but I'm not 100% sure. It just hurts to read it.[/QUOTE] Yea, there is: " The US is now moderate Syrian rebels..." should have been changed to "The US is now [B]training[/B] moderate Syrian rebels..."

Obviously there is a trend here and if you cant see it, Im sorry but you are totally blind. The US government has been doing this for so many years and have seen it backfire so many times it's appalling. Its obvious this is being done over and over again to justify bullshit wars to further the military industrial complexes influence and power by using proxies to fight against basically everyone. The CIA has been behind every single one of these radical groups since the mujahideen.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47684885]Obviously there is a trend here and if you cant see it, Im sorry but you are totally blind. The US government has been doing this for so many years and have seen it backfire so many times it's appalling. Its obvious this is being done over and over again to justify bullshit wars to further the military industrial complexes influence and power by using proxies to fight against basically everyone. The CIA has been behind every single one of these radical groups since the mujahideen.[/QUOTE] Your name fits way too well.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;47684885]Obviously there is a trend here and if you cant see it, Im sorry but you are totally blind. The US government has been doing this for so many years and have seen it backfire so many times it's appalling. Its obvious this is being done over and over again to justify bullshit wars to further the military industrial complexes influence and power by using proxies to fight against basically everyone. The CIA has been behind every single one of these radical groups since the mujahideen.[/QUOTE] Maybe they just think that statistically speaking, it'll work in their favor eventually?

[QUOTE=cody8295;47684654]Inb4 we indirectly create and arm another Taliban[/QUOTE] I got banned for using "inb4" outside of lmao pics once

Lol "Training [b]moderate[/b] Syrian Rebels" What exactly constitutes a "moderate" extremist rebel? "Well, they said they wouldn't blow up everything"

Everyone keeps saying this will backfire but I wonder how many can name more than the South Vietnamese and Taliban.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;47684601]Can we please just let this conflict weed out the radicals of the region without our intervention?[/QUOTE] But the conflict is what also breeds them in the first place.

Also, people misreading rebel as to mean exteremist when in actuality the Syrian Civil War started by the common folk being shot at by Assad. But sure, its only the extremists left. Its not like the Pes-I mean the Syri-Oh right. There are a ton of factions.

Nothing says "I should consider dedicating my life to killing people" like your family dying to a bomber raid does.

Oh boy, here we go again on the Middle East Merry-Bomb-Round.

[QUOTE=Swilly;47685310]Everyone keeps saying this will backfire but I wonder how many can name more than the South Vietnamese and Taliban.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions]Here you go[/url] The US has been involved in many "Regime" changes that included the funding, training, and aided deployment of 'radical' groups which opposed the current regime in power. Many of which were pretty radical and only served as fuel for the fire to get involved. Al Qaeda The Taliban (some would argue one in the same) The S. Vietnamese ARVN The S. Korean guerrilla forces 1954 Support of the Guatemalan coup of Carlos Castillo Armas. In 1959 the US backed and trained anti-Castro Cubans in an effort to overthrow the gov't (Bay of Pigs) In the 60's the US/CIA worked with the Congo National Army to overthrow the anti-US gov't operating there in the Congo. In 1966 the US was involved in a coup of the Ghana government, backed by US financial and military support through the CIA. We can keep going, but you can read them for yourself. All of the above mentioned resulted in long-term civil wars and conflict through the region, to which the US eventually bailed out and never spoke of again. Leaving the locals to fend for themselves in the myriad of chaos left behind. (overthrown governments and internal political conflicts)

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47684608]the conflict will never weed out the radicals though, africa is a great example of that, they'll just keep killing each other indefinitely.[/QUOTE] If Assad wins the civil war it would be hard for militant groups to stay active in the area as his government and military have traditionally had a tight grip on the country. The only way Syria will turn out to be like Africa is if we let the multiple different "moderate" factions in Syria topple the government and fight among themselves for power. [quote]However, the programme faces deep scepticism, including from rebels fighting inside Syria. Some rebel leaders say the force risks creating divisions and cannot succeed without directly targeting Syrian government forces.[/quote] You can even see where the rebel's loyalty lie. Its obvious the leaders of the factions still want to continue fighting the government forces, in the event ISIS is finished off they will have 15,000 new battle trained troops to use against Assad. We have seen happened to other countries following government collapse during the Arab Spring, and I can't believe my government is about to start another mess again. tl;dr: the only way to weed out the radicals is to let Assad win.

[QUOTE=Keys;47685358][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions]Here you go[/url] The US has been involved in many "Regime" changes that included the funding, training, and aided deployment of 'radical' groups which opposed the current regime in power. Many of which were pretty radical and only served as fuel for the fire to get involved. Al Qaeda The Taliban (some would argue one in the same) The S. Vietnamese ARVN The S. Korean guerrilla forces 1954 Support of the Guatemalan coup of Carlos Castillo Armas. In 1959 the US backed and trained anti-Castro Cubans in an effort to overthrow the gov't (Bay of Pigs) In the 60's the US/CIA worked with the Congo National Army to overthrow the anti-US gov't operating there in the Congo. In 1966 the US was involved in a coup of the Ghana government, backed by US financial and military support through the CIA. We can keep going, but you can read them for yourself. All of the above mentioned resulted in long-term civil wars and conflict through the region, to which the US eventually bailed out and never spoke of again. Leaving the locals to fend for themselves in the myriad of chaos left behind. (overthrown governments and internal political conflicts)[/QUOTE] I think he means regime changes or rebel groups that turned on the U.S.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;47685397]I think he means regime changes or rebel groups that turned on the U.S.[/QUOTE] Yeah I meant that.

We never learn from our fuck ups do we? Is our country ran by a bunch of idiots with amnesia? Sure seems like it.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47685311]But the conflict is what also breeds them in the first place.[/QUOTE] Like the orks of Warhammer 40K. For every one you kill, you sow the seeds of another generation of fighters.

The cycle continues, we fun one group, they take over and terrorize, we fund the next group then they take over and terrorize, it's a very vicious cycle.

Wait, there's another organization out there? First ISIS and now "Daesh?" Dammit, either I'm out of the loop or this is becoming more of a clusterfuck.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47686627]Wait, there's another organization out there? First ISIS and now "Daesh?" Dammit, either I'm out of the loop or this is getting more of a clusterfuck.[/QUOTE] Synonymous