EPA to be no longer allowed to get advice from scientists - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://news.sciencemag.org/environme...ng-epa-science[/url] [QUOTE] Over objections from the White House and many science and environmental groups, the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives this week approved two bills that would change how the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) obtains and uses scientific data and advice. The bills aren’t likely to become law this year, but they are fueling an intense political battle that is likely to resurface when the new Congress convenes in January. Proponents of the bills, which the House passed almost entirely with GOP votes, say they would increase transparency in how EPA uses data to justify its regulations and result in better, more balanced scientific advice for the agency. “EPA has an extensive track record of twisting the science to justify their actions,” and so reform is needed, said Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), head of the House science committee, in a statement supporting one of the bills. But opponents say the legislation would do more harm than good. “These bills are the culmination of one of the most anti-science and anti-health campaigns I’ve witnessed in my 22 years as a member of Congress,” said Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson (D–TX), top Democrat on the House science committee, in a statement. [/QUOTE] From what I understand, only vetted (by oil companies) scientists may contribute to the EPA EDIT: read a up a bit more. It wont actually completely prevent scientists entirely, but it would make almost all research on climate change (computer models, large scale measurements, etc) considered completely invalid and unable to be used as evidence

The way people justify the ideologies behind these terrible people is infuriating.

Its pretty amazing around half of the voting american population votes these corrupt morons in every election.

American politics, folks

[QUOTE=da space core;46550788] [B]From what I understand, only vetted (by oil companies) scientists may contribute to the EPA[/B][/QUOTE] Oh good, so the reason why the EPA started in the first place is now the driving force of it. Great. I wonder what other colossal fuck-up is going to happen after they dumped hazardous materials into the aquifers in California. You know, the places that hold our drinking water.

I guess if you can't destroy it, you try to change it. They can't have the EPA gone, but they can try to corrupt it into uselessness.

we dont need science, we have god. :wink:

Shit like this should be a crime punishable by life imprisonment without parole at the very least.

[QUOTE=Kagu;46550818]Oh good, so the reason why the EPA started in the first place is now the driving force of it. Great. I wonder what other colossal fuck-up is going to happen after they dumped hazardous materials into the aquifers in California. You know, the places that hold our drinking water.[/QUOTE] I just corrected that statement. It wont block scientists, but it will block their scientific evidence

Dead link.

[url]http://news.sciencemag.org/environment/2014/11/environmentalists-scientists-fret-over-republican-bills-targeting-epa-science[/url] I cant seem to fix it in the OP, how odd...

[QUOTE=da space core;46550852][url]http://news.sciencemag.org/environment/2014/11/environmentalists-scientists-fret-over-republican-bills-targeting-epa-science[/url]I cant seem to fix it in the OP, how odd...[/QUOTE] ” is a forbidden character, fucks everything up

[QUOTE=da space core;46550843]I just corrected that statement. It wont block scientists, but it will block their scientific evidence[/QUOTE] That's still terrible. I wonder if people are just thinking "It's too late now, let's just fuck over the environment completely now instead of putting in effort to prevent further damage!" Instead let's just pollute drinking water reservoirs because it saves a bit of dosh. All we need are electrolytes, right guys?

Here's the bill: [url]https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1422[/url]

I never understand where the cult like denial of human caused climate change sprouted from and how its leached onto the republican party like a tumor but we must hope the damage they can cause in their short time running can be reversed but I doubt it will, the republicans are fucking nuts when it comes to future conservation, they'd see Yellowstone strip mined and return to a time where rivers around cities were giant gaping chemical dumps, and gut any regulation in the name of short term profit Their goals are so myoptic anymore that we are surely sentencing my generation and future generations to countless hardships

[quote]Proponents of the bills, which the House passed almost entirely with GOP votes, say they would increase transparency in how EPA uses data to justify its regulations and result in better, more balanced scientific advice for the agency. “EPA has an extensive track record of twisting the science to justify their actions,” and so reform is needed, said Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), head of the House science committee, in a statement supporting one of the bills.[/quote] eh wot [quote]“EPA has an extensive track record of twisting the science to justify their actions,”[/quote] isn't that what they're doing with this bill

[QUOTE](b)(1) The Administrator shall not propose, finalize, 9 or disseminate a covered action unless all scientific and 10-11 technical information relied on to support such covered action is— 12 ‘‘(A) specifically identified; and 13-15 ‘‘(B) publicly available in a manner that is sufficient for independent analysis and substantial reproduction of research results. [/QUOTE] While transparency and information availability is good, this really, in effect, does nothing more than impede progress. [QUOTE]Through the EPA, the Obama Administration is aggressively pursuing costly regulations that impact nearly every sector of the American economy. These rules should be based on sound scientific assertions and conclusions. It’s critical that we have a balanced panel of experts operating in an open and transparent way.[/QUOTE] Which in essence (I think) means "I want people without credentials to waste the time of the entire scientific community so that it takes longer for us to legislate"

[QUOTE=awcmon;46550891] isn't that what they're doing with this bill[/QUOTE] The bill basically prevents the EPA from using any of their science and research and the "twisting of science" isnt twisted at all, its all true. it just makes it look bad for the oil companies, so the republican party wants to remove the EPA

The bills still have to go through the Senate and somehow avoid veto, which is unlikely.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;46550842]Shit like this should be a crime punishable by life imprisonment without parole at the very least.[/QUOTE] Make it death. The terrible environmental consequences for these kinds of purely political decisions are shaping the future of this species and of this planet in ways that can't be understated in their severity. We're doing an excellent job at fucking everything up and ruining life as we know it, and for no reason at all beyond "because industry = money". I really don't think people are going to understand this until we've really made a mess of things to a nearly, if not completely, irreversible point-- which depending on who you talk to we might have already hit.

[QUOTE=Govna;46550976]Make it death. The terrible environmental consequences for these kinds of purely political decisions are shaping the future of this species and of this planet in ways that can't be understated in their severity. We're doing an excellent job at fucking everything up and ruining life as we know it, and for no reason at all beyond "because industry = money". I really don't think people are going to understand this until we've really made a mess of things to a nearly, if not completely, irreversible point-- which depending on who you talk to we might have already hit.[/QUOTE] The biggest problem here to me seems to be the 4-6 ‘‘(C) persons with substantial and relevant expertise are not excluded from the Board due to affiliation with or representation of entities that may 7-8 have a potential interest in the Board’s advisory activities, so long as that interest is fully disclosed to 9 the Administrator and the public" Which is blatantly just "If this passes we can get our industry scientists on the panel, so long as the Administrator is in our pocket, aint no-one can do shit lol"

[QUOTE]Representative [B]Lamar Smith[/B] (R–TX)[/QUOTE] They [i]re-elected[/i] this shitcorn fuck? Almost 30 years of this douchetube. Can we please get him out of office?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46550803]Its pretty amazing around half of the voting american population votes these corrupt morons in every election.[/QUOTE] everybody blames everyone else's representatives

[QUOTE=Snowmew;46551018]They [i]re-elected[/i] this shitcorn fuck? Almost 30 years of this douchetube. Can we please get him out of office?[/QUOTE] He'll die of old age before being voted out. And assholes like him seem to live exceptionally long.

[QUOTE=da space core;46550922]The bill basically prevents the EPA from using any of their science and research[/QUOTE] Can you point to where the bill actually says this? The closest thing I can find is that it prevents specific, individual, board members to present their own work. It must be presented by a third party. [editline]22nd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;46550995]The biggest problem here to me seems to be the 4-6 ‘‘(C) persons with substantial and relevant expertise are not excluded from the Board due to affiliation with or representation of entities that may 7-8 have a potential interest in the Board’s advisory activities, so long as that interest is fully disclosed to 9 the Administrator and the public" Which is blatantly just "If this passes we can get our industry scientists on the panel, so long as the Administrator is in our pocket, aint no-one can do shit lol"[/QUOTE] Just like the current administrator can do with their own environmental scientists? I'm not advocating for any specific source over another, but it seems a little silly to think that every single scientist not working for an effected industry is unbiased.

Hahaha, first order of business after the election is screwing the EPA and approving an oil pipeline. They're not even camouflaging their agenda behind "Jobs jobs jobs" anymore.

It seems to me that instead of judging people based on who they work for people should be judged based on the quality of their work.

Fuckin' GOP with their heads up their asses

[QUOTE=sgman91;46551302]It seems to me that instead of judging people based on who they work for people should be judged based on the quality of their work.[/QUOTE] Wow, that sounds nice, lets just ignore the fact that every single study done by and paid for entirely by oil companies WILL be fudged to get the result they want.

[QUOTE=sgman91;46551302]It seems to me that instead of judging people based on who they work for people should be judged based on the quality of their work.[/QUOTE] Don't even bother. People will discredit a scientists work without even reading it because of who they may or may not work for.