Bodies found as Mexicans march against drug violence - Polidicks

[quote]Julian Miglierini is in Mexico City: "Some say maybe the government should be negotiating with some of these cartels" Continue reading the main story [b]Protests in more than 20 Mexican cities against drug-related violence have been interrupted by news of the discovery of 59 bodies.[/b] The bodies were found in Tamaulipas state by police investigating the abduction of bus passengers. The area is a hotspot in the violence related to drug trafficking that is ravaging parts of Mexico. The violence was condemned by protesters in the main square in Mexico City, who chanted: "No more blood!" Some called for President Felipe Calderon to resign, saying his strategy had exacerbated the bloodshed. About 35,000 Mexicans have died in drug-related violence since the president began deploying the army to fight the cartels in December 2006. The demonstrations were inspired by poet and journalist Javier Sicilia, whose son was killed last week. Mr Sicilia has blamed Mexican politicians as well as criminal gangs for the violence, saying they have "torn apart the fabric of the nation". Continue reading the main story At the scene Small demonstrations were also held in New York, Buenos Aires, Paris, Madrid and other cities around the world. [b]Mass graves[/b] [b]The bodies were found in eight separate graves in the area of San Fernando, police said - with 43 corpses found in a single grave.[/b] Authorities in Tamaulipas said they had found the graves while investigating reports that, late last month, buses in the area had been stopped and passengers pulled off and kidnapped . In a raid, 11 people were arrested, while five others being held captive by the alleged kidnappers were freed. A state minister told the Associated Press news agency two of the dead were women, and many of the victims appeared to have died between 10 and 15 days ago - dates that would roughly match the bus abductions. It appears to be the largest single discovery of bodies since 72 Central and South American migrants were found dead in the same town last August, after drug gangs killed them for refusing to work for them. After that incident, President Calderon deployed more troops to fight criminals who use the area as a route to traffic narcotics into the US. And our correspondent in Mexico City, Julian Miglierini, says this most recent discovery will come as an embarrassment for him. The Mexican government says it is making progress against the drug cartels, and has captured or killed many of their top leaders. It says much of the bloodshed is the result of fighting between rival criminal gangs. This view was echoed by the head of the US Drug Enforcement Administration, Michele Leonhart, at an international conference in the Mexican City of Cancun on Wednesday. [b]"It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs," the DEA chief said.[/b] Javier Sicilia says Mexicans have had enough The cartels "are like caged animals, attacking one another," she added.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12992664[/url]

Mexico is mad, that Ross Kemp pro gramme in Juarez gave a good example of it, in the time he spent in Juarez a load of people were shot, its like at least 2 people are shot everyday. Its like a warzone. Hence the term deadliest city on the planet. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAEhlqS_gnE[/media]

Considering the fact that over 35,000 people have died in this whole thing, I think it's pretty easy to say that I will NOT be going to Mexico any time soon :I

war on drugs is working great thank you republicans

Well, I have a feeling its still going to be in the shit for a long time.

Along with the Ivory Coast, it is sad that this isn't given enough attention in the media. Mexico has one of the highest GDPs in the world, and several parts of it are just warzones.

legalize the relatively harmless drugs and kill off the drug dealers profits. It's the only way to win against them.

[url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/mexico-killed-in-drug-deal,18109/[/url]

Popular protests are the only way to stop the cartels.

Two pronged approach: Legalize drugs on the US side, bring a controlled, domestic drug industry into the US and limiting the market for the Mexican cartels. Build industry in Mexico, with workers' rights, creating alternative and more lucrative options for the Mexican people besides smuggling and working with cartels. See reduction in drug violence and smuggling. Woo.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29034940]legalize the relatively harmless drugs and kill off the drug dealers profits. It's the only way to win against them.[/QUOTE] Yeah.. then the legit businessmen turn into violent drug dealers. And it will be all legal!

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29034940]legalize the relatively harmless drugs and kill off the drug dealers profits. It's the only way to win against them.[/QUOTE] Legalizing weed will hardly dent a cartels income. Cartels make all the money off the cocaine and heroin trade.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;29036029]Yeah.. then the legit businessmen turn into violent drug dealers. And it will be all legal![/QUOTE] No they won't, it's the same as alcohol, where legalization reduces crime. [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=-nesto-;29036083]Legalizing weed will hardly dent a cartels income. Cartels make all the money off the cocaine and heroin trade.[/QUOTE] It's better legal and not full of shit that dealers put in it than it being illegal, more damaging to the users and also causing crime. The only drugs I feel should be kept illegal or for perscription use only are the hallucinogenics and pcp

[QUOTE=JDK721;29034465]war on drugs is working great thank you republicans[/QUOTE] You can't possibly claim that republicans are the only people fighting against drugs.

Damn, the title made me think that the bodies were marching. Zombies in Mexico, ofc.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;29036083]Legalizing weed will hardly dent a cartels income. Cartels make all the money off the cocaine and heroin trade.[/QUOTE] Not to mention illegal weapons, prostitution, extortion and corruption. Protesting and legalizing weed will do fuck all in mexico, it does not work that way in an environment like that. The only way to put even a marginal dent in the Cartels is to kill the top players and thats pretty damn hard to do.

[QUOTE=Mabus;29033077]Mexico is mad, that Ross Kemp pro gramme in Juarez gave a good example of it, in the time he spent in Juarez a load of people were shot, its like at least 2 people are shot everyday. Its like a warzone. Hence the term deadliest city on the planet. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAEhlqS_gnE[/media][/QUOTE] That shit is hardcore. It's like the Wild West. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would live there or take dangerous jobs like Police and Paramedics.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;29036083]Legalizing weed will hardly dent a cartels income. Cartels make all the money off the cocaine and heroin trade.[/QUOTE] Not too even mention weed grows wildly in almost 75% of the United States so only about 25% of the Drugs Trade from Mexico is usually weed. Like said before most money comes from illegal firearms, drugs such as Cocaine/Heroine, and trust me... Legalizing those will most likely never happen till a safer way to use them is found.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;29037347]That shit is hardcore. It's like the Wild West. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would live there or take dangerous jobs like Police and Paramedics.[/QUOTE] I don't think they normally, or would have any reason directly relating to the job, kill paramedics. They go after the police for putting members in jail, don't think the same goes for paramedics. [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;29037546]Not too even mention weed grows wildly in almost 75% of the United States so only about 25% of the Drugs Trade from Mexico is usually weed. Like said before most money comes from illegal firearms, drugs such as Cocaine/Heroine, and trust me... Legalizing those will most likely never happen till a safer way to use them is found.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry where did you get your statistics of marijuana being grown [B]wild[/B] in 75% the [B]united states.[/B]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29036087]No they won't, it's the same as alcohol, where legalization reduces crime. [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] It's better legal and not full of shit that dealers put in it than it being illegal, more damaging to the users and also causing crime. The only drugs I feel should be kept illegal or for perscription use only are the hallucinogenics and pcp[/QUOTE] why should hallucinogenics be illegal? That's ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Valdor;29037623]I don't think they normally, or would have any reason directly relating to the job, kill paramedics. They go after the police for putting members in jail, don't think the same goes for paramedics. [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] I'm sorry where did you get your statistics of marijuana being grown [B]wild[/B] in 75% the [B]united states.[/B][/QUOTE] Okay I'll aid that... Not exactly wild if people throw the seeds out there, but still the point being is, it grows pretty well on its own out here, and if grown legally in states such as Arizona, California, Neveda, Texas, Nex Mexico, and such you probably would have the perfect climate to grow year-round.

[QUOTE=Detective P;29036021]Two progned approach: Legalize drugs on the US side, bring a controlled, domestic drug industry into the US and limiting the market for the Mexican cartels. Build industry in Mexico, with workers' rights, creating alternative and more lucrative options for the Mexican people besides smuggling and working with cartels. See reduction in drug violence and smuggling. Woo.[/QUOTE] Drug Dealers would just undercut the prices. Either way both are MUCH easier said than done.

I see no reason as to why all drugs can't be manufactured and created by pharamcueticals, there's 0% threat of undercutting, there's no way that money would go untaxed and the prohibition of narcotics is what causes gang wars, murders and most of the damage that comes from "drugs". The majority of drug damage is not caused by the drugs themselves, most of the drugs that would be legalized in such an effort are at the same level as alcohol for total harm done to the body. I see no reason for a government to tell a man how he can live his life to the letter, what can go in his body, or what can't, and I don't see how anyone can support such a thing. Personal responsibility is a value that it seems we've all but forgotten these days. [editline]7th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;29038512]Drug Dealers would just undercut the prices. Either way both are MUCH easier said than done.[/QUOTE] If it's legalized, most drugs will be made by already huge pharma companies. Do you really think anyone can compete with them? Really? The US should be really proud of its pharma industry, it'll be more than capable of taking on drug dealers world wide in terms of production value.

[QUOTE=Valdor;29037623]I don't think they normally, or would have any reason directly relating to the job, kill paramedics. They go after the police for putting members in jail, don't think the same goes for paramedics.[/QUOTE] I don't really mean dangerous for Paramedics but I wouldn't want to be one because I'd constantly see horrible carnage every day.

Shit man, I seriously hope my retired teacher is safe. His name is Stone and he is awesome.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;29037903]Okay I'll aid that... Not exactly wild if people throw the seeds out there, but still the point being is, it grows pretty well on its own out here, and if grown legally in states such as Arizona, California, Neveda, Texas, Nex Mexico, and such you probably would have the perfect climate to grow year-round.[/QUOTE] The difference in quality between marijuana plants left on their own and ones cared by people is insane. Most marijuana that is sold isn't grown 'wild', and being grown outside doesn't mean that it is without care.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;29038512]Drug Dealers would just undercut the prices. Either way both are MUCH easier said than done.[/QUOTE] Not really. A domestic market would be much cheaper than an illegal one, if the indicators for marijuana legalization from the California debate are any indicators, as well as taking data from Portugal and Amsterdam's marijuana market. Illegal dealers could lower their prices, but you have to remmeber that their operations need alot of profit and alot of payment down the line to the citizens who actually produce the stuff and to the rest of the cartel's operation. The main thing is that people, when given other opportunities, such as actual jobs with good pay (point of the second part), will choose to join the safe, legal jobs than the dangerous, illegal, and once the first part is implemented, lower paying jobs of a dealer, grower, or cartel member.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29037712]why should hallucinogenics be illegal? That's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Because they can cause the taker to endanger the lives of others.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29040548]Because they can cause the taker to endanger the lives of others.[/QUOTE] as can a man who's getting hammered on alcohol?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29040548]Because they can cause the taker to endanger the lives of others.[/QUOTE] So can an emotionally intense situation. So can a fork and a bottle of tequilla. I know people who've been drunk and driven and killed people, I know you know people that have done the same. Being high doesn't take away the guilt, and being sober doesn't take away the possibility of it happening, and legislating that you should be sober certainly doesn't take that possibility away. I've done acid and walked down the street and I didn't hurt anyone, I've done this on ecstasy, salvia, shrooms, 2C-E and 2C-I, and on absinthe before, never hurt a single person. Anecdotal as shit, but all the same, these things cause damage while they're illegal, do you think that distinction changes anything? Either way, people have a right to themselves, and no substance "causes" anyone to do anything. It's still their choice and the responsibility falls on them. I know by having it illegal you think it'll occur less, I beg to differ. The legality of it bears no weight on the fact that bad shit happens.