Army to Test New "Green" Bullets - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fox News]ABERDEEN, Md. – The most familiar item in the Army's arsenal is getting an upgrade. The M855 bullet was designed in the 70s -- and has been in use since then, despite some complaints from soldiers that it's often less than effective .The new M855A1, which the Army will be demonstrating Wednesday at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, is deadlier, faster, and may soon replace its older cousin. The new ammunition is notable for being "green" for one thing; it's lead-free, meaning the new ammo is environmentally friendly, the Army said. The military began providing the lead-free round last June to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. A live-fire demonstration will be held Wednesday morning at the post. Soldiers will fire the new and old rounds, as well as a third type, to compare the performance of all three on identical targets. The targets will include a parked vehicle, steel plates and building materials. Army officials acknowledged that the M855 "has not been providing the 'stopping power' the user would like at engagement ranges less than 150 yards," according to a 2005 briefing, the Army Times reported last year. But ballistics experts point out no bullet is perfect; the new rounds won't be substantially more deadly, in other words. “There is not a bullet in this world that will do that,” Dr. Martin Fackler, former director of the Wound Ballistics Laboratory at the Letterman Army Institute of Research who also served in the Vietnam War as a combat surgeon, told the Army Times. “Even if you take the guy’s heart apart, he can still shoot back at you for 15 seconds because he’s still got enough oxygen in the blood in his brain to do it.” The Army says the new ammunition is the first developed as part of a "greening"' effort for small-caliber ammunition.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/04/army-demonstrate-new-green-ammo-maryland/?test=faces[/url] Perfect way to ironically deal with those "eco-friendly" types.

Healthy Bullets.

Ive been using "green" bullets for a long time, they're made of copper. I just wouldnt call them eco-friendly as anything in their path usually ends up dead.

No point of saying "Eat lead" anymore huh

What's next? A plug-in hybrid Abrams tank?

They should use DU instead of lead. :v:

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29621769]What's next? A hybrid Abrams tank?[/QUOTE] This is actually partially useful.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29621815]This is actually partially useful.[/QUOTE] They stuck a jet engine on a battle tank. It's hybrid counterpart would probably just be 20 hummer engines running at once.

"eat lettuce!"

If you shoot it into the ground, a tree sprouts out three months later.

This is actually a good thing - better for the environment than you'd guess. An absolutely absurd volume of bullets are fired every year in Afghanistan - in any prolonged mission, both in training and in combat. Maybe about one in two thousand of those actually hits an enemy combatant.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29621833]They stuck a jet engine on a battle tank. It's hybrid counterpart would probably just be 20 hummer engines running at once.[/QUOTE] The gas turbine sucked up so much fuel that the Army in the late '80s considered giving the M1 a diesel engine in the Block III variant.

I think five-year-lifespan biodegradable land mines would be much more useful. Considering the germans are still killing french farmers with the ones they slapped down in the Great War.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;29622027]The gas turbine sucked up so much fuel that the Army in the late '80s considered giving the M1 a diesel engine in the Block III variant.[/QUOTE] Why have diesel? They'll need greater quantities of that stuff just to have the new engine keep up with the previous jet engine. They probably just wanted to haul less fuel around so they stuck with jet engine since it's combustion is equivalent to a stick of dynamite.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29622082]Why have diesel? They'll need greater quantities of that stuff just to have the new engine keep up with the previous jet engine. They probably just wanted to haul less fuel around so they stuck with jet engine since it's combustion is equivalent to a stick of dynamite.[/QUOTE] Not really. The Ukrainians for example developed their 6TD-2 diesels on the T-80UD to basically match the gas turbine on the T-80U in performance. A diesel can very well "keep up" with a gas turbine.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29622082]Why have diesel? They'll need greater quantities of that stuff just to have the new engine keep up with the previous jet engine. They probably just wanted to haul less fuel around so they stuck with jet engine since it's combustion is equivalent to a stick of dynamite.[/QUOTE] The M1 Abrams engine burns A LOT of fuel when compared with other tanks. Take the Leopard 2. On a 1,160L fuel tank the leopard 2 can go 550 km (not changed throughout the models). On a 1,900L fuel tank the M1A2 Abrams (the M1 Abrams can go 500km) can go 391km. The Leopard burns around 2.11L/km The M1A2 Abrams burns around 4.82L/km So the Leopard can go further around 160km further than the M1A2 Abrams, on roughly 60% of the gas. External fuel tanks also have more effect on the Leopard as the M1A2 Abrams will burn through them twice as fast. Edit: The M1A2 Abrams has a top speed of 68km/h the Leopard 2, 72km/h. The Turbine engine does offer the M1A2 Abrams a slight acceleration advantage. Edit 2: The M1A2 weighs 63 t. The leopard 2 weighs around 60 t.

"Eat your vegetables!"

Next to replace all Humvee with Personal Bicycles to save gas. [img]http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/photos/nuristansm/afgpatrol07.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29621769]What's next? A hybrid Abrams tank?[/QUOTE] We pay impoverished Afghans money to sit in the engine compartment and pedal.

[QUOTE=Billiam;29622737]We pay impoverished Afghans money to sit in the engine compartment and pedal.[/QUOTE] I didn't know we reverse-engineered from Mexican Army tank engines.

At the rate the military is spending money, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided gold was an effective eco-friendly alternative to lead.

[QUOTE=Master117;29622826]At the rate the military is spending money, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided gold was an effective eco-friendly alternative to lead.[/QUOTE] Lets just use an RPG instead of a tracer, easier to see where it hit.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29621833]They stuck a jet engine on a battle tank. It's hybrid counterpart would probably just be 20 hummer engines running at once.[/QUOTE] Doesn't that sorta make it Hybrid? It [I]is[/I] part Jet.

[quote]“Even if you take the guy’s heart apart, he can still shoot back at you for 15 seconds because he’s still got enough oxygen in the blood in his brain to do it.”[/quote] what he might be alive for 15 seconds but the body will go instantly into shock, i doubt he'll be shooting back at anyone

[QUOTE=thisispain;29622938]what he might be alive for 15 seconds but the body will go instantly into shock, i doubt he'll be shooting back at anyone[/QUOTE] While the body may be in shock, I'm sure trigger pulls will still be possible. Of course, that won't be a problem unless he's very close, because he won't be able to aim them. Also, there have been rare cases when a person has received a serious heart wound and gone into full cardiac arrest and not gone into shock immediately.

[QUOTE=thisispain;29622938]what he might be alive for 15 seconds but the body will go instantly into shock, i doubt he'll be shooting back at anyone[/QUOTE] People in this situation can continue to depress the trigger, might be random, but one random bullet is all it takes .

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29622875]Doesn't that sorta make it Hybrid? It [I]is[/I] part Jet.[/QUOTE] Greenlight production right fucking now.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29622875]Doesn't that sorta make it Hybrid? It [I]is[/I] part Jet.[/QUOTE] [img]http://images.suite101.com/774666_com_tankartwor.gif[/img] TANK [img]http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/VietnameseAirForce/American/AmericanJetEngine.jpg[/img] JET [img]http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/42/118542-004-BD2B619E.jpg[/img] MEXICANS By your powers combined, I AM CAPTAIN PLANET! [img]http://earthfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fat-captain-planet.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=archangel125;29622978]While the body may be in shock, I'm sure trigger pulls will still be possible. [/QUOTE] completely depends, if it's in the right place and tears a lot of tissue in the chest cavity pulling the trigger would become impossible as all your muscles would go limp

[QUOTE=mastermaul;29622050]I think five-year-lifespan biodegradable land mines would be much more useful. Considering the germans are still killing french farmers with the ones they slapped down in the Great War.[/QUOTE] I think the US has designed (or is working on) land mines that deactivate themselves after a set period of time.