EU should set up ‘giant refugee city’ in Libya, says Hungary's Orban - Polidicks

[t]http://i.imgur.com/W61khPF.jpg[/t] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/europe-giant-refugee-city-libya-africa-hungary-prime-minister-viktor-orban-a7327931.html[/url] [quote]The European Union should build a "giant refugee city" on the Libyan coast to process the asylum claims of refugees arriving there from elsewhere in Africa, the Hungarian Prime Minister has proposed. Speaking after a summit on the refugee crisis, Viktor Orban said the EU’s external borders should be under “total control” and said a new Libyan government could help establish the camp. Libya is a key a gateway to Europe for those fleeing poverty, war and persecution. In the first five months of 2016, 2,500 refugees died crossing the Mediterrnean sea, according to the UN’s refugee agency (UNHCR).[/quote]

Where's that patrick 'push them somewhere else' meme when you need it.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51101079]Where's that patrick 'push them somewhere else' meme when you need it.[/QUOTE] To be fair Australia does this and it works.

Honestly, it would be better for these people to be in an area of similar culture, and less hostility between them and the locals. Not sure how to feel about it, but it's similar to the whole, "Why isn't Saudi Arabia taking in people, when they have a giant air conditioned tent city??"

We already have giant refugee slums because it's kind of a solutionless problem. Idk how that would help but it could allow them to live functioning lives instead of just being stuck, then again it creates segregation and an us and them mentality, plus no government would want to fund a city for refugees and no businesses would invest in a market of people who have no money.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;51101156]To be fair Australia does this and it works.[/QUOTE] Wasn't Australia actually just that at one point. All the undesirables were pushed there by the Brits?

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;51101156]To be fair Australia does this and it works.[/QUOTE] What on earth gave you the impression that our refugee system is functional in any way we get hauled up in front of the UN for human rights abuses on a regular basis because we essentially put our refugees in gulags

Imagine a real life scenario of "Children of Men".

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51101601]How about we pass them on to the genius countries who wanted to destabilize Libya[/QUOTE] That would be Gaddaffi and his kids then I guess

We should have stayed after the fall of Gadaffi, but the alternative was a bloodbath (ignore the claims of that shit House of Commons committee report, anyone looking seriously at the situation knows that Gadaffi was a threat to civilians) like we are seeing in Syria and even greater numbers of refugees I would put my money where my mouth is. Unfortunately, post-Blair it is politically impossible to do the right thing internationally

Just give them their own Kebab Island

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;51102594]Just give them their own Kebab Island[/QUOTE] That sounds like the place you tell refugees they'll be sent to if they behave.

You guys realize it's few times cheaper to care for a refugee in a middle-eastern country than resettling them in US or EU? Would you rather give shelter to 5 or 1 person?

There is already one in Poland, near Oświęcim.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51102793]You guys realize it's few times cheaper to care for a refugee in a middle-eastern country than resettling them in US or EU? Would you rather give shelter to 5 or 1 person?[/QUOTE] Absolutely, none of those are exclusive though. Improve the conditions for refugees in the middle east while also providing refuge to those who are in Europe?? The conditions uder which refugees live in the middle east are appaling to say the least, and that is a huge issue that needs to be adressed.

[QUOTE=pierre0158;51102838]There is already one in Poland, near Oświęcim.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? Auschwitz was a nazi extermination camp in Poland where people were murdered on a massive scale. Orban was talking about a EU-funded refugee camp to be build in Libya where people would be given shelter and supplies. Why the hell would you try to equate the two? What do those things even have in common? [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;51102919]Absolutely, none of those are exclusive though. Improve the conditions for refugees in the middle east while also providing refuge to those who are in Europe?? The conditions uder which refugees live in the middle east are appaling to say the least, and that is a huge issue that needs to be adressed.[/QUOTE] Sure they are not exclusive, but it's a waste of resources. For the money you spend on resettling 100,000 refugees to Germany you could house much more in say Libya while also vastly improving the conditions of people who already live there. Why help less people than you can with the same amount of money?

I wonder if this could have the opposite effect, in that more people will assemble in Libya and THEN travel to the EU. If that is prevented and doesn't happen, it is a superb idea. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;51102932]Are you serious? Auschwitz was a nazi extermination camp in Poland where people were murdered on a massive scale. Orban was talking about a EU-funded refugee camp to be build in Libya where people would be given shelter and supplies. Why the hell would you try to equate the two? What do those things even have in common?[/QUOTE] It's like if this type hear the word "camp" they instantly think of nazi death camps. Boy must been in terror when asked to go out camping.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51101648]That would be Gaddaffi and his kids then I guess[/QUOTE] Gaddafi was very good leader. Did you knew Libya was very good and rich under Gaddafi?

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51103049]It's like if this type hear the word "camp" they instantly think of nazi death camps. Boy must been in terror when asked to go out camping.[/QUOTE] Don't these people realize there are tens of camps like this already and they are humanitarian aid? Are we supposed to demolish them all and accuse governments who build them of genocide?

EU should build wall.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51103157]Don't these people realize there are tens of camps like this already and they are humanitarian aid? Are we supposed to demolish them all and accuse governments who build them of genocide?[/QUOTE] Aren't those refugee camps kind of shitholes, though? I mean it's still a fine solution for temporary shelter but I wouldn't leave those people in shitholes for years. And these places don't look like they're going to be stabilizing anytime soon.

[QUOTE=elowin;51103206]Aren't those refugee camps kind of shitholes, though? I mean it's still a fine solution for temporary shelter but I wouldn't leave those people in shitholes for years. And these places don't look like they're going to be stabilizing anytime soon.[/QUOTE] It's still humanitarian aid and this guy is equating it to genocide. As for them being shitholes, if the EU would send all the money they've spent on resettling migrants in europe to these refugee camps in the Middle-East they would have stopped being shitholes long ago.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51103223]It's still humanitarian aid and this guy is equating it to genocide. As for them being shitholes, if the EU would send all the money they've spent on resettling migrants in europe to these refugee camps in the Middle-East they would have stopped being shitholes long ago.[/QUOTE] They could get better, sure, but you still couldn't exactly build up a new life there, you know? Everyone there is essentially stuck in limbo, unable to do anything until the conflict eventually dies down. And even now many years after the war in Syria started, there's still no end in sight.

[QUOTE=elowin;51103259]They could get better, sure, but you still couldn't exactly build up a new life there, you know? Everyone there is essentially stuck in limbo, unable to do anything until the conflict eventually dies down. And even now many years after the war in Syria started, there's still no end in sight.[/QUOTE] Okay so instead of saving 5 people and giving them refuge in say Libya where they survive but don't have much life opportunities you'd rather save 1 person and give him a chance to live in the western word where he doesn't have great opportunities either, because he isn't skilled, doesn't know the language and has to live in a completely different culture. That is if he doesn't end up living in a ghetto where he remains living on support. Or of course you could teach him the language and provide him with some kind of a course to give him a skill he's going to need for a better job at which point you could have saved 10 people or more had you done it in Libya.