• Cloned cow milk claim investigated
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[quote=BBC NEWS] Reports that milk from a cloned cow's offspring is on sale in the UK are being investigated. [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/business/global/30cloning.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=cloned&st=cse&scp=1"][B]An unnamed British dairy farmer said he used milk from a cow produced from a cloned parent[/B][/URL], the New York Times has reported. Foodstuffs produced from cloned animals must get approval before being sold, according to the Food Standards Agency. The FSA said it had not approved the milk, labelled a "novel food", and would investigate. The agency, which is the UK body responsible for the assessment of so-called novel foods produced by cloned animals and their offspring, said it had not been asked to consider any such cases. A spokeswoman said: "Since 2007 the FSA interpretation of the law has been that meat and products from clones and their offspring are considered novel foods and would therefore need to be authorised before being placed on the market. "The agency has not received any applications relating to cloning and no authorisations have been made. "The agency will ... investigate any reports of unauthorised novel foods entering the food chain." The RSPCA is one of a number of organisations that opposes cloning for food production, with the charity's opposition on animal welfare and ethical grounds. "Cloning has huge potential to cause unnecessary pain, suffering and distress which cannot be justified by purely commercial benefits," a spokesman said. "Food from cloned animals may seem a tasty option for some, but it leaves a distinctly bad taste in the mouth when it comes to animal welfare." He added that cloning was "inefficient" and - if it became routine - could "greatly reduce genetic diversity within livestock populations, increasing the chances of whole herds being wiped out by disease". Dr Brendan Curran, a geneticist at Queen Mary University of London, told Sky News he had no health concerns over food from cloned animals. "A healthy animal will give you healthier milk. I'm less convinced of the ethics of it. I can see a good argument for animal welfare people being very concerned because it has to be done under really strict conditions and in a very compassionate way for the animal," he said. "But after the animal has been born and it has become an adult I don't see any problem - they reproduce normally, they do everything normally." Peter Stevenson, chief policy adviser at Compassion in World Farming, said the reports were a matter of great concern. "The US seems to be very much moving towards permitting this. We believe that here in the UK and the rest of Europe we need to take a different position. There's not an issue necessarily about harm to the consumer, I mean quite honestly there's just not enough necessarily known about the food safety aspect, but there's huge harm to the cows." Last month MEPs voted in favour of a law that would ban cloned meat and other animal products in the European food supply. The legislation faces a next stage of consideration in September before it could become EU law. In the US, the Food and Drug Administration said in 2008 that meat and milk from cloned animals was safe for human consumption. [/quote] Somedays I wake up an wonder if I'm living in some kind of bad sci-fi...
I don't see where the problem lies. It's still a damn cow, hence normal cow milk.
Don't see the point of cloning unless the original cow has tasty milk or makes more than an average cow.
clone cows get bi-...milk!
Sounds like the start of a bad B-movie where cloned milk creates zombies
[QUOTE=cjone2;23777651]Sounds like the start of a bad B-movie where cloned milk creates zombies[/QUOTE] What is a good B-movie anyway?
[QUOTE=Miktor.;23777706]What is a good B-movie anyway?[/QUOTE] One that is so bad its good
[QUOTE=Miktor.;23777706]What is a good B-movie anyway?[/QUOTE] B movie just means low budget. Budget for B. There are many good B films. It's the "C" and "Z" categories of films you really have to think about.
If the 'parent' cow was fine, then the clone will be fine, which is probably why it's called a clone. Jesus. I see no problem.
For fucks sake it's just milk at the end of the day. The FSA can go suck a fat dick.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23777864]B movie just means low budget. Budget for B. There are many good B films. It's the "C" and "Z" categories of films you really have to think about.[/QUOTE] Ah right. Movies like primer are really good, that would be a B movie, since it's really low budget.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;23777166]I don't see where the problem lies. It's still a damn cow, hence normal cow milk.[/QUOTE] I think the issue lies with the cloning, something could have gone wrong and caused some sort of genetic abnormality which could make the milk dangerous. I have no idea how or even if that would actually happen but I guess its a possibility.
Cloning is awesome. In fact, we should clone people as well. We could use our own clones as slaves and sit back and relax. At the very least, when they decide to resist the fights will be absolutely hilarious
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23789934]Cloning is awesome. In fact, we should clone people as well. We could use our own clones as slaves and sit back and relax. At the very least, when they decide to resist the fights will be absolutely hilarious[/QUOTE] It sounds great in theory, but it would turn out like the episode of Family Guy where Stewie tries that and ends up with a someone who falls apart. What we need is robot slaves...
[QUOTE=Jsm;23790011]It sounds great in theory, but it would turn out like the episode of Family Guy where Stewie tries that and ends up with a someone who falls apart. What we need is robot slaves...[/QUOTE] geez lois this is worse than the time I got cloned!
[QUOTE=Jsm;23790011]It sounds great in theory, but it would turn out like the episode of Family Guy where Stewie tries that and ends up with a someone who falls apart. What we need is robot slaves...[/QUOTE] "....There is no I, there is only we...there is only Geth."
[QUOTE=Jsm;23789599]I think the issue lies with the cloning, something could have gone wrong and caused some sort of genetic abnormality which could make the milk dangerous. I have no idea how or even if that would actually happen but I guess its a possibility.[/QUOTE] I think the probability for a mutation to occur is much higher among the hundred thousand normal cows mating with each other than one or ten carefully cloned cows. This sounds like some PETA shit. "Oh noes, this completely normal looking cow must be depressed and have suicidal thoughts just because it's cloned, oh noes!". It's ridiculous that it's not a scientist that has the last word, but some stupid idiot that I doubt know anything that the scientists know about cloning.
Lets enslave lions.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;23790287]I think the probability for a mutation to occur is much higher among the hundred thousand normal cows mating with each other than one or ten carefully cloned cows.[/QUOTE] Actually, clones are much more likely to develop problems. It's already hard enough as it is to produce properly developed living animal clones, ontop of that you have the telomere limitation. Which means once the DNA of the clone will start to become damaged after alot less cell replications than a new born animal would. (This increases the risk of cancers and disorders etc) We know milk from a normal cow is fine, but milk from a cloned cow has a MUCH higher chance of having something wrong with it.
Pretty soon we will be eating cloned cow meat.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;23777166]I don't see where the problem lies. It's still a damn cow, hence normal cow milk.[/QUOTE] THE SANCTITY OF GOD'S CREATION HAS BEEN BROKEN! DEATH TO THE HEATHEN COWS! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! But seriously, it's just a cow. But I get where they're coming from. Some people don't want cloned cow milk, then fine, they can drink regular cow milk. But they should be told which milk is cloned and not cloned.
The same idiots who protest GM crops and foods. GM foods started the Green Revolution in India, saving many from starvation. Fuck these idiots, honestly. I'm willing to bet a lot of these dolts go "HURR VACCINATION GIVES KIDS AUTISM". Ooooh, look at that, big scary science making leaps and bounds you can't possibly comprehend! I have nothing but utter contempt for people like these They can all go eat Cloned Cow Shit for all I care
[QUOTE=Swebonny;23790287] This sounds like some PETA shit. "Oh noes, this completely normal looking cow must be depressed and have suicidal thoughts just because it's cloned, oh noes!". It's ridiculous that it's not a scientist that has the last word, but some stupid idiot that I doubt know anything that the scientists know about cloning.[/QUOTE] Na this is just the food standards agency, they don't give a shit (that much anyway) about animal welfare. They just make sure food is safe to eat and meets certain standards set out by law (Mainly EU law)
Why are people causing such a fuss over this? Many people don't realize that most people have already eaten meat from the decendant of a clone parent.
"SIR! WE HAVE FIGURED OUT THE COMPLETE PROCESS FOR REPRODUCING ORGANISMS!" "THAT'S FANTASTIC!" "WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD START WITH? A HUMAN? PERHAPS A DINOSAUR LIKE JURASSIC PARK!" "NO, LETS CLONE... COW MILK!" ". . ." Only thing I can think of after reading the title.
Technically all apples of a certain type/brand/flavor/whatever are clones, so... and what could go wrong with a cloned animal that would affect the milk in a way that wouldn't be caught by screening? If it suddenly bled all in it's udders, it would get caught. I don't think the things normally affecting clones (cells dying much quicker, shorter lives, organ failure) would affect the milk in some new, mysterious way that's never been seen before. Cloning isn't exactly magic or science fiction, it's complicated but it's not that different from normal fertilization, just using a cloned egg or whatever.
Next remove the middleman. Grow meat and milk.
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