fucking biden MOTHER FUCKER
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
no but seriously his self-defense logic is the most flawed bullshit that will get you killed
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
"don't need 30 rounds for your totally uncontrollable, in-ergonomic semi-automatic ar-15"
you're right, so just take those 30 shots and turn them into 2 buckshot shells, and put them in your totally practical 18 inch minimum barrel length double barrel shotgun, much more effective!!!
Saw this earlier, and as always: Double-barrel Biden cannot make up his fucking mind.
Just another reminder why this guy should never be allowed any presidential role ever again.
i have seen first hand what happens when you (accidentally but still) discharge a shotgun in your home.
you have a massive glob of buckshot which will literally tear through all the walls in your house and could possibly go out and into the neighbors houses or whatever.
an ar15 firing .223/5.56, even plain m855 or m193, will always be much more effective and safe as a home defense weapon. the velocity that a typical 16 inch or 14.5 (permanently pinned to 16in barrel length) barrel propels those rounds to will just cause them to fragment upon impacting any solid object and break apart. there is a significantly reduced threat of over penetration and collateral damage with a 5.56 rifle / pistol compared to shotgun fired projectiles and even pistol rounds.
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
also joe bidens a fucking pedophile
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT5dQcarl0[/media]
This man has not done one thing to impress me.
Banning Hicaps won't do shit to stop or effectively slow down a shooter, all it means is you'll spend 9 seconds shooting 14 rounds instead of 7. They even had a video where they took a woman who didn't have much experience with shooting, had her shoot down range, and a guy about 15 feet away to her side crouched behind mock cover. As soon as he saw her slide locked back, he was to get up and run at her and try and get to her before she could reload and shoot down range again. And he couldn't
So again, it's just another knee jerk reaction that's not really going to do anything except potentially handicap legitimate gun owners. And in either case it isn't going to make people who carry more or less of a target, I don't even know why anyone would think that
I heard AR-15s are fairly expensive. In any case, I'd rather have a pump-action than a double barrel.
I never really understood the whole self-defense thing. I understand people who like to keep some of the more heavy duty guns n stuff because they're a hobbyist but seriously, no one is buying it when you say your G3 is for self defense.
[QUOTE=cdr248;47167988]I never really understood the whole self-defense thing. I understand people who like to keep some of the more heavy duty guns n stuff because they're a hobbyist but seriously, no one is buying it when you say your G3 is for self defense.[/QUOTE]
My dad is a hobbyist/gun collector and it definitely has its perks. Because of that, I know how to shoot guns. I can shoot them well. It's pretty cool knowing that if the time ever arises I have the capacity to maim someone enough to the point where they can't even walk. Shit guys, my dad's knowledge of ammunition and muzzle velocities actually helped me in games. One day I asked him to explain to me the difference between FMJ, HP, and +P rounds, and we had like an hour long conversation about it.
Mr. Biden is right. You don't need 30 rounds to kill someone. 4 .45 rounds to the chest will do just fine.
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=gorka;47167070]"don't need 30 rounds for your totally uncontrollable, in-ergonomic semi-automatic ar-15"
you're right, so just take those 30 shots and turn them into 2 buckshot shells, and put them in your totally practical 18 inch minimum barrel length double barrel shotgun, much more effective!!![/QUOTE]
That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is to simply have it just to fire it, if something ever happens like a home invasion. One shot would be enough to send most home invaders running. Save the other shot for if they decide to run at you.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47168230]My dad is a hobbyist/gun collector and it definitely has its perks. Because of that, I know how to shoot guns. I can shoot them well. It's pretty cool knowing that if the time ever arises I have the capacity to maim someone enough to the point where they can't even walk. Shit guys, my dad's knowledge of ammunition and muzzle velocities actually helped me in games. One day I asked him to explain to me the difference between FMJ, HP, and +P rounds, and we had like an hour long conversation about it.
Mr. Biden is right. You don't need 30 rounds to kill someone. 4 .45 rounds to the chest will do just fine.
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is to simply have it just to fire it, if something ever happens like a home invasion. One shot would be enough to send most home invaders running. Save the other shot for if they decide to run at you.[/QUOTE]
Not all home invasions are committed by a single perpetrator, firing a shotgun and/or pumping the gun will just give away your position. If you want to be raped or killed, follow your leader's wisdom.
If there's one thing that I know is if you here a shotgun pump in the middle of the dark while you are in someone's house, its a pretty big time to fuck off.
[QUOTE=Sally;47168778]If there's one thing that I know is if you here a shotgun pump in the middle of the dark while you are in someone's house, its a pretty big time to fuck off.[/QUOTE]
Alternatively, the intruder now has a good idea of where the threat is, and, if armed, can fire towards the resident.
[QUOTE=GravyKing;47168768]Not all home invasions are committed by a single perpetrator, firing a shotgun and/or pumping the gun will just give away your position. If you want to be raped or killed, follow your leader's wisdom.[/QUOTE]
contrary to popular belief real life isn't like those fancy action movies with shaky cams where the home owner is overpowered by two men who then decide to rape his wife and kill his daughter. most of the time, if someone interested in doing damage to your livelihood shows up and they hear you've got more firepower than they do, they will fuck off. it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to figure that out.
you have a shotgun
they don't
would you rather face a stream of buckshot or keep your legs intact and go rob someone else?
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47168230]My dad is a hobbyist/gun collector and it definitely has its perks. Because of that, I know how to shoot guns. I can shoot them well. It's pretty cool knowing that if the time ever arises I have the capacity to maim someone enough to the point where they can't even walk. Shit guys, my dad's knowledge of ammunition and muzzle velocities actually helped me in games. One day I asked him to explain to me the difference between FMJ, HP, and +P rounds, and we had like an hour long conversation about it.
Mr. Biden is right.[B] You don't need 30 rounds to kill someone. 4 .45 rounds to the chest will do just fine.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
That's what I mean. I always felt that the argument for keeping 30 round magazines isn't "but muh self defense" it should just be "taking away 30 round magazines don't make a goddamn difference you fool".
I'm not for banning the stuff, in fact I'm against it. But it just pains me sometimes when people use the self-defense argument whenever the topic of gun regulation comes up. Your handgun is for self defense not your AK and I don't think you are going to convince someone otherwise (unless a Red Dawn situation is on the horizon.)
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47168860]contrary to popular belief real life isn't like those fancy action movies with shaky cams where the home owner is overpowered by two men who then decide to rape his wife and kill his daughter. most of the time, if someone interested in doing damage to your livelihood shows up and they hear you've got more firepower than they do, they will fuck off. it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to figure that out.
you have a shotgun
they don't
would you rather face a stream of buckshot or keep your legs intact and go rob someone else?[/QUOTE]
How do you know they don't have a firearm? That's one thing you don't put into perspective: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, it aint Hollywood.
[QUOTE=GravyKing;47168907]How do you know they don't have a firearm? That's one thing you don't put into perspective: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, it aint Hollywood.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I guess. But what it really boils down is fight-or-flight, and your average home invasion joe isn't going to like the idea of storming into a hailstorm of buckshot.
[editline]18th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=cdr248;47168894]That's what I mean. I always felt that the argument for keeping 30 round magazines isn't "but muh self defense" it should just be "taking away 30 round magazines don't make a goddamn difference you fool".
I'm not for banning the stuff, in fact I'm against it. But it just pains me sometimes when people use the self-defense argument whenever the topic of gun regulation comes up. Your handgun is for self defense not your AK and I don't think you are going to convince someone otherwise (unless a Red Dawn situation is on the horizon.)[/QUOTE]
For the record, many rifles and the like that you and I can go purchase are called civilian models for a reason. A legally purchasable AR-15 will not be fully automatic, and it will also contain much less of the bells and whistles of its military grade brother. Still, I get your point. It is pretty ridiculous when there are these people out there massing a small arsenal under the guise of self-defense. If someone goes to buy an AK, they're either a collector, want it just to have it, or want something that can seriously fuck someone up. Usually, it's the last one.
You don't need guns to defend yourself!
[I]Just whisper creepily in their ears, and they will go away[/I]
I'd like to argue for guns being totally uncontrolled and such because I find them really fun and have a lot myself, but if you look at the statistics, countries with gun control really do have a lot less homicides per capita than countries without gun control.
[video=youtube;fP3HJVp3n9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c[/video] related
I did not expect that voice.
[QUOTE=Flameon;47169367][video=youtube;fP3HJVp3n9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c[/video] related[/QUOTE]
I agree with some his points but on his point of the black market doesn't apply exactly to the US
Australia has the benefit of being an island so it's harder to smuggle in stuff, but the US has two neighbors who can sneak in shit inside
[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;47169511]I agree with some his points but on his point of the black market doesn't apply exactly to the US
Australia has the benefit of being an island so it's harder to smuggle in stuff, but the US has two neighbors who can sneak in shit inside[/QUOTE]
And sometimes, even the government will help you too!
The stupid, it hurts.
go outside and EXPEND ALL YOUR AMMUNITION AT NOTHING that will show them
[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;47169511]I agree with some his points but on his point of the black market doesn't apply exactly to the US
Australia has the benefit of being an island so it's harder to smuggle in stuff, but the US has two neighbors who can sneak in shit inside[/QUOTE]
um what lol, Australian Border Police are seizing smuggled in firearms all the time, all the ban did was make it more expensive to buy on a market because of the costs involved into getting said firearms into the country.
[editline]23rd February 2015[/editline]
I know from experience at least here your general gang member may have a illegally owned handgun or in rare cases a shotgun, not a semi-automatic AR-15.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47168230]It's pretty cool knowing that if the time ever arises I have the capacity to maim someone enough to the point where they can't even walk.[/QUOTE]
uh what? how is that in any way cool? now i've never dissolved a corpse in lye or stabbed a prostitute so maybe i lack your perspective, but you sound like a psycho lunatic
[QUOTE=Cone;47196647]uh what? how is that in any way cool? now i've never dissolved a corpse in lye or stabbed a prostitute so maybe i lack your perspective, but you sound like a psycho lunatic[/QUOTE]
stop ruining my want and desire to be the everyman action movie hero dude
[QUOTE=GravyKing;47168768]Not all home invasions are committed by a single perpetrator, firing a shotgun and/or pumping the gun will just give away your position. If you want to be raped or killed, follow your leader's wisdom.[/QUOTE]
what the hell goes through your mind when you type this
[QUOTE=Sally;47168778]If there's one thing that I know is if you here a shotgun pump in the middle of the dark while you are in someone's house, its a pretty big time to fuck off.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=haloguy234;47168860]contrary to popular belief real life isn't like those fancy action movies with shaky cams where the home owner is overpowered by two men who then decide to rape his wife and kill his daughter. most of the time, if someone interested in doing damage to your livelihood shows up and they hear you've got more firepower than they do, they will fuck off. it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to figure that out.
you have a shotgun
they don't
would you rather face a stream of buckshot or keep your legs intact and go rob someone else?[/QUOTE]
The reality of most home invasions is that they occur during the day when it looks like nobody's home. You're absolutely right that they aren't looking for a fight; they're just looking for jewelry, electronics, cash, etc. If someone breaks into an occupied home, the odds are they did it with intent beyond a simple burglary, or they've fucked up. Granted I live in New England, but that's the typical pattern up here.
[QUOTE=GravyKing;47168907]How do you know they don't have a firearm? That's one thing you don't put into perspective: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, it aint Hollywood.[/QUOTE]
This. The people I know who carry or possess firearms for self defense don't keep them because they feel that they're likely to need it, but because the stakes in not having it when you need it are incredibly high. There are countless situations where it won't help, but it may just give you a fighting chance in some of the worst.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;47195350]I know from experience at least here your general gang member may have a illegally owned handgun or in rare cases a shotgun, not a semi-automatic AR-15.[/QUOTE]
That's the case here in the States, as well. Gang members pretty much exclusively use cheap semi auto and revolver handguns, and cheap shotguns. ARs are too expensive and too bulky for them to use.
[url]http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/top_10_crime_guns.htm[/url]
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