Israel strikes Gaza after border shootings, 3 dead in violence - Polidicks

[url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=659842[/url] [quote]Israeli air forces launched airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, [B]killing a 3-year-old Palestinian child and injuring her mother and brother, after an Israeli and a Palestinian were shot dead at the border in the northern Gaza Strip on Tuesday afternoon. [/B] Earlier on Tuesday afternoon, a Palestinian man was shot and killed by Israeli fire west of Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip, Palestinian sources said. The attack follows an incident where a Palestinian sniper shot and killed an Israeli man working on the border fence in northern Gaza Strip a few hours earlier. An Israeli army spokeswoman said the man was killed while doing "maintenance" work on the border fence. Israeli news site Ynet reported that the Israeli man had been working on the border fence when he was shot, and was taken to Soroka University Medical Center in Beersheba. He died of his wounds shortly after.[/quote] [url]http://www.jpost.com/Defense/IAF-attacks-Gaza-targets-in-retaliation-to-shooting-of-Defense-Ministry-employee-335999[/url] [quote]The IDF struck targets in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday afternoon in retaliation for the cross-border shooting earlier in the day in which Israel sustained its first casualty since the end of Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012. The IDF employed the air force, tanks, and infantry to launch a response against six targets in Gaza. Officials from Hamas, the Islamic group which rules Gaza, and witnesses said IAF aircraft bombed the group's training camps in Khan Younis and al-Bureij. Witnesses said IDF tanks fired shells east of Gaza city. Gaza hospital officials said a three-year-old girl was killed by shrapnel during the strike on the Bureij facility. She was standing with other family members outside their home near the camp and her mother and two of her brothers were wounded, the officials said. The strike's targets were a site to manufacture weapons, and a terrorism infrastructure site in southern Gaza, a center for terrorism activity and a terrorism infrastructure site in central Gaza, and two terrorism targets in the north of the Strip had been hit, according to the IDF. "We identified an accurate strike of the targets. All of our planes returned to their bases safely," the IDF Spokesman said. Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said "We take a most severe view of them. In Gaza, Hamas is sovereign, and we see it as being responsible for today's shooting from the Strip and rocket launches over the past today at Israel. [B]We will not allow a disruption to life in the South, and we will respond decisively and painfully to attacks on our sovereignty and against our civilians and soldiers,"[/B] the defense minister added. [B]He advised Hamas "not to test our patience,"[/B] calling on Gaza's ruling regime to exercise its authority on the ground to prevent further attacks on Israel by other organizations. [B]"If there won't be quiet in Israel, there won't be quiet in Gaza either,"[/B] Ya'alon warned.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43295388]Israeli air forces launched airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, killing a 3-year-old Palestinian child and injuring her mother and brother[/QUOTE] That's one lousy fucking airstrike. If a 40 year-old guy got killed nobody would give a crap, would've been just numbers. A 3-year-old girl dies, it's breaking news.

[QUOTE=RUSSIAN BEAR;43295443]That's one lousy fucking airstrike.[/QUOTE] It's revenge; not retaliation.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43295472]It's revenge; not retaliation.[/QUOTE] And the circle goes round and round round and round

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43295472]It's revenge; not retaliation.[/QUOTE] It's Israel's idea of a merry christmas.

It's pretty much just waiting to see if Israel grows enough balls to try annexing all of Palestine without anybody noticing.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43295872]It's pretty much just waiting to see if Israel grows enough balls to try annexing all of Palestine without anybody noticing.[/QUOTE] They don't want to annex it though, take the land sure but annexing it would mean having to deal with the Palestinians as citizens.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43295872]It's pretty much just waiting to see if Israel grows enough balls to try annexing all of Palestine without anybody noticing.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter if people do notice anyway, who's going to stop Israel while they have US backing?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43295472]It's revenge; not retaliation.[/QUOTE] What's the difference?

[QUOTE=RUSSIAN BEAR;43295443] If a 40 year-old guy got killed nobody would give a crap, would've been just numbers. A 3-year-old girl dies, it's breaking news.[/QUOTE] Probably because children are seen as innocent. I mean fuck, they don't know whats happening

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43295890]It doesn't matter if people do notice anyway, who's going to stop Israel while they have US backing?[/QUOTE] Allah

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43295918]Allah[/QUOTE] Where was he when there was that reconquista? The Iberians retaking all of their clay should have warranted some attention from him.

I knew the guy who was shot at the border, used to work with him once. [url=http://msc.wcdn.co.il/w/w-700/1603024-5.jpg]RIP Salach.[/url]

[QUOTE=Glorbo;43296151]I knew the guy who was shot at the border, used to work with him once. [url=http://msc.wcdn.co.il/w/w-700/1603024-5.jpg]RIP Salach.[/url][/QUOTE] Small world we live in.

To be fair I noticed that there was a foiled terrorist attack the other day with a bus bomb - [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/[/url] I can't really say Israel is wrong to retaliate after these incidents.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43296190]To be fair I noticed that there was a foiled terrorist attack the other day with a bus bomb - [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/[/url] [/QUOTE] We were really lucky on this one. One of the passengers noticed a bag with a wire sticking out of it in the back of the bus. He informed the driver, everybody got out of the bus, and the bomb exploded just minutes after.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43296190]To be fair I noticed that there was a foiled terrorist attack the other day with a bus bomb - [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/[/url] I can't really say Israel is wrong to retaliate after these incidents.[/QUOTE] They are wrong. Both sides. They both need to stop fighting and learn to live with one another.

wow stop fucking killing each other, it's christmas

[QUOTE=Coffee;43296659]They are wrong. Both sides. They both need to stop fighting and learn to live with one another.[/QUOTE] That will probably never happen.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43296190]To be fair I noticed that there was a foiled terrorist attack the other day with a bus bomb - [URL]http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/[/URL] I can't really say Israel is wrong to retaliate after these incidents.[/QUOTE] Israel already has been shooting [URL="http://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/excessive-use-force-israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-civilian"]Gazan civilians this week prior to this incident[/URL]. Time and time again has displayed that Israeli violence is labeled as "retaliation" and Palestinian violence framed as "unprovoked" Ignoring this, assuming that there was no prior Israeli shooting, and the lone sniper or bomb-planter just attacked Israel, how does it justify bombing Gaza in your eyes? If a Mexican cartel member sniped an American or tried to plant a bomb in Texas, would it be justified if America began to bomb Mexico (and not even targetting the Cartel in the bombings)? Nope, but this is what's happening in Gaza. So with Israel bombing Gaza, particularly Hamas who've kept a ceasefire, and with Israel breaking it due to the actions of an unaffiliated lone individual I'm having difficulty seeing how there's no wrong. The only conceivable way is if you obtain your sources from Israeli media who, like most of Hasbara engages in a deliberate campaign of distortion to try to legitimize the bombing to make it appear as if Hamas was responsible. [URL]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4468407,00.html:[/URL] Titled, "Hamas praises bus bombing, says 'Israel will know no stability'" Obviously from this out-of-context quote the reader gets the impression that Hamas was responsible for the bombing, thus justifying the annul of the ceasefire by bombing Hamas (and making appear as if Hamas broke it). But upon closer inspection the quote is actually "It would be best if Israel would come to understand that it will know no stability as long as the Palestinians live in instability." which is entirely different from praising it or whatever impression you would've initially got. With that said, please do explain how this is justified. Why would it be justified if America bombed Mexico for the unaffiliated actions of the cartel (especially when the targets weren't even the cartel)? There is none. But Israel has a sick policy of vengeance. We see this with it's extrajudicial covert killings they carry forth abroad internationally and in Gaza; if someone dies in Israel due to someone in Gaza, then someone in Gaza must die. It doesn't matter who but they don't care because they know it will always be legitimized by framing it as "retaliation"

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;43296699]wow stop fucking killing each other, it's christmas[/QUOTE] Christmas is really important to two sides who are for the most part non-Christian?

[QUOTE=RUSSIAN BEAR;43296174]Small world we live in.[/QUOTE] Well, Israel is very small.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43295900]What's the difference?[/QUOTE] Revenge is an emotional response. Retaliation is a meditated response to serve a greater purpose. Before the usual hand wringing stuff, lets use an applicable example so we can demonstrate why an attack on someone might be necessary for your country's greater good. If Tibet had a standing army and had retaliated against chinese encroachment, they might not have been invaded. But they didn't. And no, I'm not saying Israel is right here, at all. I'm just trying to illustrate the difference between revenge and retaliation

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43295472]It's revenge; not retaliation.[/QUOTE] JIDF pls go. Jokes aside, does revenge imply that the Palestinians instigated all this with their own actions?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;43296190]To be fair I noticed that there was a foiled terrorist attack the other day with a bus bomb - [url]http://www.timesofisrael.com/i-injured-in-explosion-on-bat-yam-bus/[/url] I can't really say Israel is wrong to retaliate after these incidents.[/QUOTE] Yeah! Good job Israel for killing a 3 year old future terrorist! That'll stop the Palestinians instead of angering them and causing them to hate the Israelis more! [editline]25th December 2013[/editline] The entire situation is fucked and retaliations only fuck it up even more, unfortunately both sides don't realize that because they're blinded by rage and hate

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43296848] Ignoring this, assuming that there was no prior Israeli shooting, and the lone sniper or bomb-planter just attacked Israel, how does it justify bombing Gaza in your eyes? [B]If a Mexican cartel member sniped an American or tried to plant a bomb in Texas, would it be justified if America began to bomb Mexico (and not even targetting the Cartel in the bombings)? Nope, but this is what's happening in Gaza.[/B] So with Israel bombing Gaza, particularly Hamas who've kept a ceasefire, and with Israel breaking it due to the actions of an unaffiliated lone individual I'm having difficulty seeing how there's no wrong. The only conceivable way is if you obtain your sources from Israeli media who, like most of Hasbara engages in a deliberate campaign of distortion to try to legitimize the bombing to make it appear as if Hamas was responsible. [/QUOTE] It's not that simple. You make it look like the americans would know where the cartel was, and that they were just picking a random target. When someone fires a rocket or a weapon at Israel, from Gaza, Israel responds by attacking Hamas-controlled outposts (like training camps and so on). There's really no way Israel can identify what group attacked them, or find out where they have their bases. Hamas might not be a part of the attack on Israel at all, but Hamas still has some degree of power over the group that attacked Israel. Israel is in some ways both preventing more bad stuff to happen to them [I]and[/I] telling hamas to get their shit together and keep control over the other terrorist groups. Not that I support the actions taken by Israel. I just don't think it's a good comparison since the "government" of Gaza, if one could call Hamas such a thing, is already against Israel. I don't understand Hamas, and I wouldn't support their actions either (unless it's a ceasefire or any other peaceful agreement). Israel attacks a Hamas training camp, and a three year old gets hit by shrapnel from a bomb. I don't know much about bombs, but isn't that a bit close? It's like they strategically place their bases and camps close to populated areas. (and I mean too close. When they know the camps most likely can be bombed by Israel, they should at least keep the innocent civilians a safe distance away from their bases.)

[QUOTE=kazookie;43301147]It's not that simple. You make it look like the americans would know where the cartel was, and that they were just picking a random target. When someone fires a rocket or a weapon at Israel, from Gaza, Israel responds by attacking Hamas-controlled outposts (like training camps and so on). There's really no way Israel can identify what group attacked them, or find out where they have their bases. Hamas might not be a part of the attack on Israel at all, but Hamas still has some degree of power over the group that attacked Israel. Israel is in some ways both preventing more bad stuff to happen to them [I]and[/I] telling hamas to get their shit together and keep control over the other terrorist groups. Not that I support the actions taken by Israel. I just don't think it's a good comparison since the "government" of Gaza, if one could call Hamas such a thing, is already against Israel. I don't understand Hamas, and I wouldn't support their actions either (unless it's a ceasefire or any other peaceful agreement). Israel attacks a Hamas training camp, and a three year old gets hit by shrapnel from a bomb. I don't know much about bombs, but isn't that a bit close? It's like they strategically place their bases and camps close to populated areas. (and I mean too close. When they know the camps most likely can be bombed by Israel, they should at least keep the innocent civilians a safe distance away from their bases.)[/QUOTE] Though Hamas does stop lone attacks, there is no feasible way for Hamas to control every single pissed off Palestinian who snipes from Gaza, I don't see how bombing Hamas is going to change that, other than to provoke Hamas to start firing rockets and letting other groups attack Israel. In the past Hamas and even until today has arrested individuals who've launched rockets ([URL="http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Hamas-arrests-two-in-connection-with-Gaza-rockets-307458"]http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Hamas-a...rockets-307458[/URL]) and individuals who launches attacks between the Gaza-Israel border ([URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4269907,00.html"]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...269907,00.html[/URL]) It's not a matter of letting them, but what would typically occur when you're besieged from every every resource in existence. You can't have it both ways by blocking resources from going to Gaza and at the same time expecting Hamas to possess an ordinary capacity to prevent every attack. Despite this, preventive measures like the links I posted go back as far as 2009 ([URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3683385,00.html"]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...683385,00.html[/URL]): [quote]The senior source also noted that [B]the head of Hamas' internal security forces informed the detainees that they must adhere to the pacts made between Hamas and the Islamic Jihad leadership after the Israeli offensive in Gaza.[/B] Hamas' warnings aside, the source said that it was the Islamic Jihad's right to retaliate on the assassination of its operatives. "We don’t understand how we are expected to observe the ceasefire when the occupying forces violate it.[/quote] So even with Hamas arresting attackers with the little resources they have, Israel still bombs Hamas which empowers the cartel analogy I made. Israel knows Hamas didn't tell the sniper to attack Israel and they know that Hamas probably would've stopped him like in the past. But since Israel doesn't have a tangible target and since an Israeli died, Israel feels compelled to strike [I]somewhere[/I] in Gaza to prevent looking weak in the upcoming elections and to further perpetuate their policy of an 'eye for an eye' - or rather, four random Arab eyes for one Israeli eye. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. There's really nothing 'strategic' about Hamas camp placements other than what is a byproduct of being crammed and locked in a tiny stretch of land. Unlike Israel, they do not possess American-made anti-air ordinances to shoot down Israeli bombs. A girl getting killed by shrapnel is not indicative of the camps being 'strategically close' to the civilian population but rather the effects of the massive bombs Israel drops with no regard to civic life. Their bombs aren't small, but are big enough to level apartments or neighborhoods. In the end it doesn't matter because there is no feasible justification or excuse for bombing the Hamas training camp in the first place other than to satiate Israel's need for revenge at the expense of Gazan civilians.

wow where's the christmas spirit, israel & palestine?

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43295890]It doesn't matter if people do notice anyway, who's going to stop Israel while they have US backing?[/QUOTE] The Zionists in the US are garnering just as much, if not more, hate. [editline]25th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;43296699]wow stop fucking killing each other, it's christmas[/QUOTE] You realize this is the equivalent of asking racists to stop viewing other races as inferior? If you really have a problem with it, people need to stop being apathetic bitches and actually start doing something about it.