South Korea Seizes Ship Suspected of Sending Oil to North Korea - Polidicks

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/south-korea-ship-seized.html"]source [/URL] [QUOTE]SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea has seized a Hong Kong-flagged oil tanker accused of transferring 600 tons of refined oil to a North Korean ship in October in violation of United Nations sanctions, South Korean officials said on Friday. The officials revealed that they had impounded the 11,253-ton tanker, the [URL="http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:687612/mmsi:477441600/imo:9635987/vessel:LIGHTHOUSE_WINMORE"]Lighthouse Winmore[/URL], and questioned its crew. The discovery came a day after President Trump accused China of letting fuel oil flow into North Korea through illicit ship-to-ship transfers on international waters. There was no immediate evidence of official Chinese involvement in the Lighthouse Winmore’s dealings with the North Koreans. The registered owner of the ship is a Hong Kong company called Win More Shipping. The only director of that company is Gong Ruiqiang, who lives in Guangzhou, China, according to Hong Kong corporate filings. The ship was being leased by a Taiwanese company, South Korean Foreign Ministry officials told reporters on Friday. The Lighthouse Winmore docked at the South Korean port of Yeosu on Oct. 11 to load 14,039 tons of refined petroleum from Japan, they said. Four days later, it departed Yeosu, saying it was headed for Taiwan. Instead, it transferred the refined oil to four other ships in international waters, including 600 tons transferred to the North Korean ship Sam Jong 2 on Oct. 19, officials said.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure if we keep starving this starved country (leader of a brainwashed nation) of desperately needed supplies and resources, they will stop their (everyone who lives there) vile actions and come to embrace the wonders of our world. (the one they are told to hate from birth) I'm beginning to see some parellels here that involved a certain man and a certain FUCKING WORLD WAR

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;53020909]I'm sure if we keep starving this starved country (leader of a brainwashed nation) of desperately needed supplies and resources, they will stop their (everyone who lives there) vile actions and come to embrace the wonders of our world. (the one they are told to hate from birth) I'm beginning to see some parellels here that involved a certain man and a certain FUCKING WORLD WAR[/QUOTE] What do you expect to be done then? Send a strongly worded letter?

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;53020909] I'm beginning to see some parellels here that involved a certain man and a certain FUCKING WORLD WAR[/QUOTE] How does this at all resemble the lead up to either World Wars?

[QUOTE=Cmx;53020929]What do you expect to be done then? Send a strongly worded letter?[/QUOTE] Well it certainly isn't helping. He has a point. A poorly worded one, but a point none-the-less. North Korea is a perfect case study of how sanctions don't work, that rogue states will do whatever the fuck they want to do despite them, that there will always be *someone* who will support them and help them break the sanctions. Sanctions aren't working. Strongly worded letters aren't working. And their government routinely refuses to even entertain the idea of diplomacy. There isn't really a peaceful option to the North Korean problem.

I dont think that oil was going to reach the people anyway. North korea kept like 90% of all the humanitarian help that was given to them away from the people while milions of their citzens were starving to death, do you think that anything that gets there helps the people (other then the priviliged 10%) in any way?

This was probably some business in HK trying to make a quick buck off of the sanctions by selling at a very steep markkp. If China wanted to violate the sanction and not get caught they'd send it across their land border.

I think they whole point is to starve the country to the point that they make the first hostile move, then all that needs to be done is ground troops sent in to mop up the fuel, ammunition, and food starved army.

US should have invaded them a decade ago, before nukes were on the table. Seems they were way too optimistic about the outcome.

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;53021559]US should have invaded them a decade ago, before nukes were on the table. Seems they were way too optimistic about the outcome.[/QUOTE] And piss off China for zero reason?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53021611]And piss off China for zero reason?[/QUOTE] Well I mean there's definitely a reason It's up for discussion if that reason has it's merits compared against pissing off China, but there's definitely very moral, humane reasons.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;53021667]Well I mean there's definitely a reason It's up for discussion if that reason has it's merits compared against pissing off China, but there's definitely very moral, humane reasons.[/QUOTE] America gains nothing by playing World Police again and again, they should not invade North Korea, unless NK attempts to actually attack the US or its territories. Doing what you suggest would cause major political backlash and would heavily strain the trade agreements between China and the US, it's a terrible idea.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;53022004]America gains nothing by playing World Police again and again, they should not invade North Korea, unless NK attempts to actually attack the US or its territories. Doing what you suggest would cause major political backlash and would heavily strain the trade agreements between China and the US, it's a terrible idea.[/QUOTE] I wasn't personally suggesting anything. I just disagree with the notion that there would be zero reason for such an action. As I said, you need to weigh up the merits of the action against pissing off China. North Korea needs some intervention in some form, but the US wouldn't be the one to do it.

[QUOTE=TestECull;53021077]Well it certainly isn't helping. He has a point. A poorly worded one, but a point none-the-less. North Korea is a perfect case study of how sanctions don't work, that rogue states will do whatever the fuck they want to do despite them, that there will always be *someone* who will support them and help them break the sanctions. Sanctions aren't working. Strongly worded letters aren't working. And their government routinely refuses to even entertain the idea of diplomacy. There isn't really a peaceful option to the North Korean problem.[/QUOTE] If we've decided that we're not letting NK have nukes, then yes, there is no peaceful way for us to get what we're demanding. That doesn't make it the only solution to the NK problem as a whole though. NK isn't refusing the idea of diplomacy. They're refusing the idea of not having access to ICBMs like their rivals.