[quote]Speaking in Brussels on Wednesday (10 March) after a meeting of the steering committee of the European Round Table of Industrialists (ERT), Jean-Francois van Boxmeer, the CEO of leading brewer Heineken said the idea is gaining traction.
He noted he is leading talks on behalf of the ERT with the European Commission on the concept.
Circular economy is more than just old-fashioned recycling.
It is the creation of a new business model in which products are designed to be stripped down to their smallest components after they've been used, with the parts re-inserted into the production chain instead of being discarded.
The price of natural resources has increased at twice the rate of wage growth over the past decade.
This represents a historic shift compared with the 20th century, when the price of resources would normally fall while cost of labour rose.[/quote]
[URL="https://euobserver.com/economic/127944"]Source[/URL]
Well yea, Were living in finite space, hence we cant grow indefinitely.
I solved that one in my head years ago.
Well let's go to space before we don't have the resources to go to space anymore
Unless the EU is willing to dish out decent grants for doing this I don't see how it would be feasible. For most products it's actually cheaper to just build a new product than paying someone to take discarded products apart and break them down and identifying, sorting and testing the components that can be re-used.
Unless I understand this wrong, the source goes completely off on a tangent in the middle of the article.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47309241]Well let's go to space before we don't have the resources to go to space anymore[/QUOTE]
I don't quite see how it could come about, and it's unlikely to even be the case, but I have this strange, somewhat irrational fear that in it's ignorance and warmongering mankind just sort of runs out of resources to get us off Earth any longer, leaving everyone here until we all just die.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47309241]Well let's go to space before we don't have the resources to go to space anymore[/QUOTE]
Go where in space? The nearest star is 4 light years away. It would take thousands and thousands, probably more than ten thousand years, for a ship to ever reach there, with no guarantee that a habitable planet actually exists there. And that's also assuming other problems are solved, such as how the ship would be able to carry enough fuel and how it could be protected from radiation.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47309241]Well let's go to space before we don't have the resources to go to space anymore[/QUOTE]
Hell yeah d00d I hear the food is great on mars
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47311363]Go where in space? The nearest star is 4 light years away. It would take thousands and thousands, probably more than ten thousand years, for a ship to ever reach there, with no guarantee that a habitable planet actually exists there. And that's also assuming other problems are solved, such as how the ship would be able to carry enough fuel and how it could be protected from radiation.[/QUOTE]
Getting to Alpha Centauri wouldn't take that long with our current technology, see [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29"]Project Orion[/URL]. Project Orion is basicly using a ship as a interstellar surfboard riding on the waves of detonated atomic bombs. A ship could reach 3,33% of the speed of light, and reach Alpha Centauri in just 133 years. Add time dilation to this and the crew experiences even less.
But I am more into using the resources we have right at our door step, there is a whole asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the moon Europe is full of water, there are so many things we still have to discover in our own solar system.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47312299]Getting to Alpha Centauri wouldn't take that long with our current technology, see [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29"]Project Orion[/URL]. Project Orion is basicly using a ship as a interstellar surfboard riding on the waves of detonated atomic bombs. A ship could reach 3,33% of the speed of light, and reach Alpha Centauri in just 133 years. Add time dilation to this and the crew experiences even less.
But I am more into using the resources we have right at our door step, there is a whole asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the moon Europe is full of water, there are so many things we still have to discover in our own solar system.[/QUOTE]
if you're really counting in time dilation they experience ~4 years less at the speed you selected, which really isn't that significant on that scale
plus the fastest man-made "vehicle" ever was the Helios 2 probe at 67,041m/s, while the speed you mentioned (3.33% of c) is 9,983,089m/s. The Voyager spacecraft goes only 17,260m/s.
We're not going to 3.33% the speed of light any time soon. A mission to Alpha Centauri would literally be generations on generations of people. Plus you have to take into account materials, radiation beyond the kuiper belt, etc. Your idea is about as sci-fi as "let's just open a wormhole!"
but this is a thread about a reusable economy not space travel so
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;47310018]I don't quite see how it could come about, and it's unlikely to even be the case, but I have this strange, somewhat irrational fear that in it's ignorance and warmongering mankind just sort of runs out of resources to get us off Earth any longer, leaving everyone here until we all just die.[/QUOTE]
We're already reaching the point where crops can't grow efficiently because the top layer of earth's been recycled so much.
There's certainly a time limit at stake with our speed of development.
I never really got why people are so into the idea of going to space. Sure, by getting more resources we can extend our species' range and ensure it will survive much longer, but eventually there has to come a time when there will be no more humans. as sad as that may be, it's the reality. I feel like we should try and accept that and just live within our means and try to enjoy it while we can. just my two cents
[QUOTE=greendevil;47312723]I never really got why people are so into the idea of going to space. Sure, by getting more resources we can extend our species' range and ensure it will survive much longer, but eventually there has to come a time when there will be no more humans. as sad as that may be, it's the reality. I feel like we should try and accept that and just live within our means and try to enjoy it while we can. just my two cents[/QUOTE]
Literally the most retarded point of view ever, if we all thought like that we'd still be living in caves throwing stones at our own shadow, wallowing in nihilistic depression.
So...design new products to be more easily recycled? That's not a bad idea.
I'm too drunk to talk economics right now...:zoid:
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47312299], the moon Europe is full of water,[/QUOTE]
Europe has their own moon?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;47314158]yeah lets go to space and land on a planet with no food readily available and not have any reliable solutions to the billions still on earth
or we can create a sustainable living plan for earth and worry about space when we aren't in a terrible ecological situation[/QUOTE]
Sitting on earth is essentially like putting all eggs into one basket. It can be a really comfortable basket, but if something happens, we're fucked.
I think the issue here is that anyone is taking this very seriously on Facepunch or the internet.
We're not scientists and rarely does an educated debate happen.
The reality is that we need to go to space for a lot of reasons, but we also need to work on Earth as well, it is a balancing act and we should never push all of our resources into one or the other, a big part of life is seeing the big picture, how small pictures form it, and how everything is a nuanced grey. Taking care of our home is just as important as looking for new ones out in space.
Going to space doesn't necessarily mean going outside out solar system right away, just getting out to the different planets in our solar system for the sake of exploration, colonization and resource harvesting would be a major step in the right direction in regards to increasing the collective human race's lifetime.
"But let's focus on fixing all the problems on earth first!" Is kind of a dumb argument IMO, you aren't going to magically make all the issues go away. They're usually much more complicated than just "but magical solution I heard on the interwebs that would fix it all" and there's pretty much always going to be new problems to think about.
Besides, it's not like we can't both go to space and fix problems back here on earth.
This sounds like a pretty decent plan.
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[QUOTE=Buck.;47309359]
Unless I understand this wrong, the source goes completely off on a tangent in the middle of the article.[/QUOTE]
I also see this more and more nowadays.
Idk what writers are thinking.
[QUOTE=MyAlt91;47314274]You silly Americans don't learn about other continents on your own planet?
Also, this sounds like a pretty decent plan.
[editline]13th March 2015[/editline]
I also see this more and more nowadays.
Idk what writers are thinking.[/QUOTE]
I actually think these are written by bots or something.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;47314158]yeah lets go to space and land on a planet with no food readily available and not have any reliable solutions to the billions still on earth
or we can create a sustainable living plan for earth and worry about space when we aren't in a terrible ecological situation[/QUOTE]Not like we can't do both. Proper environmental policy currently is more a matter of will rather than means, both on the part of politicians and the people who vote for them.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47312299]Getting to Alpha Centauri wouldn't take that long with our current technology, see [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29"]Project Orion[/URL]. Project Orion is basicly using a ship as a interstellar surfboard riding on the waves of detonated atomic bombs. A ship could reach 3,33% of the speed of light, and reach Alpha Centauri in just 133 years. Add time dilation to this and the crew experiences even less.
But I am more into using the resources we have right at our door step, there is a whole asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the moon Europe is full of water, there are so many things we still have to discover in our own solar system.[/QUOTE]
you forgot it will take longer due to acceleration and de-acceleration ....
[QUOTE=Impact1986;47312299]But I am more into using the resources we have right at our door step, there is a whole asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the moon Europe is full of water, there are so many things we still have to discover in our own solar system.[/QUOTE]
Nobody has been able to produce cost estimates for extraplanetary mining that can break even, let alone turn a profit. It's way easier to just mine the resources available on Earth than to go elsewhere in the solar system for it.
Most talk of going to space to mine resources is just post hoc rationalization of going to space for the sheer sake of exploration.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47314676]Nobody has been able to produce cost estimates for extraplanetary mining that can break even, let alone turn a profit. It's way easier to just mine the resources available on Earth than to go elsewhere in the solar system for it.
Most talk of going to space to mine resources is just post hoc rationalization of going to space for the sheer sake of exploration.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I said that we should do this before we run out of the resources needed to get resources from any place other than earth. If we want to colonize space, there is no way around getting resources off world. It will be cheaper to get the stuff from the solar system then sending it up from earth.
There are also other thoughts made by researchers, like building a dyson swarm [url]http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/dvorsky20120329[/url]
Why is colonizing space exactly needed so soon? The Earth will be habitable for at least a few hundred million years after we die off. The actual benefit of going into space is very limited, and we'll only send a few hundred people up at most.
[QUOTE=Deng;47317369]Why is colonizing space exactly needed so soon? The Earth will be habitable for at least a few hundred million years after we die off. The actual benefit of going into space is very limited, and we'll only send a few hundred people up at most.[/QUOTE]
It is never too soon!
[QUOTE=Ardosos;47313713]Europe has their own moon?[/QUOTE]
We do actually, it's called America.
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