Breivik claims terrorist attacks were 'self-defence'
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17724535[/url]
[quote=BBC News][b]The man who carried out bomb and gun attacks in Norway last year which left 77 people dead has pleaded not guilty at the start of his trial in Oslo.[/b]
Anders Behring Breivik attacked a youth camp organised by the governing Labour party on the island of Utoeya, after setting off a car bomb in the capital.
He told the court he "acknowledged" the acts committed, but said he did not accept criminal responsibility.
The prosecution earlier gave a detailed account of how each person was killed.
If the court decides he is criminally insane, he will be committed to psychiatric care; if he is judged to be mentally stable, he will be jailed.
In the latter case, he faces a sentence of 21 years, which could be extended to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life.
The 33-year-old Norwegian was found insane in one examination, while a second assessment made public last week found him mentally competent.
[b]'Self-defence'[/b]
Dressed in a dark suit, Breivik smiled as he entered the courtroom and a guard removed his handcuffs. He then gave a closed-fist salute.
He later told the lead judge, Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen: "I do not recognise the Norwegian courts. You have received your mandate from political parties which support multiculturalism."
He also said he did not recognise the authority of Judge Arntzen, claiming she was friends with the sister of former Prime Minister and Labour party leader Gro Harlem Brundtland.
The judge noted the objections, which Breivik's lawyer said were not official, and said the defence could follow up on them in their opening arguments.
Breivik described his occupation as a "writer", currently working from prison.
Prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh read out the charges against him and gave an extensively detailed account of how each person was killed or injured in last year's attacks.
She said the attacks "created fear in the Norwegian population", adding: "The defendant has committed very serious crimes, on a scale which hasn't been experienced in our country in modern times."
Breivik showed no emotion, looking down at the table in front of him.
At the end of the indictment, he told the court: "I acknowledge the acts, but not criminal guilt - I claim I was doing it in self-defence."
Breivik has already confessed to the attacks on 22 July. In the car bombing outside government buildings in Oslo, eight people were killed and 209 wounded.
He killed 67 people and wounded 33 - most of them teenagers - in his shooting spree at the youth camp on Utoeya. A further two people died by falling or drowning.
At a court hearing in February, Breivik said his killing spree was "a preventative attack against state traitors", who were guilty of "ethnic cleansing" because they supported a multicultural society.
His lawyer has said his only regret is that "he did not go further".
"It is difficult to understand, but I am telling you this to prepare people for his testimony," Geir Lippestad told reporters before the trial.
Investigators have found no evidence to support Breivik's claims that he belonged to a secret "resistance" movement, the "Knights Templar", named after a military and religious order founded during the Crusades to fight the enemies of Christendom.
"In our opinion such a network does not exist," prosecutor Svein Holden told the court on Monday.
A 12-minute-long film about the evils of "multiculturalism" and "Islamic demographic warfare", which Breivik posted online on the day of the attacks, was shown in court before the trial was adjourned for lunch. As it concluded, he could be seen wiping tears from his eyes.
Later, previously unreleased surveillance footage of the Oslo bombing was shown.
Some of the survivors and relatives of those killed reportedly gasped after footage was played of Breivik's explosives-packed vehicle exploding, followed by scenes of panic as people fled and pieces of metal fell to the ground. But the defendant was impassive, and at times even smirked.
The court later adjourned for the day.
Parts of the trial will be shown on television, but the court will not allow Breivik's testimony or that of his witnesses to be broadcast. Breivik is scheduled to take the stand for about a week, starting on Tuesday.
The BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Oslo says that with Breivik not expected to express any remorse for his actions, his trial promises to be an ordeal for the families of those killed and for those who survived.
Jorid Nordmelan, a survivor of the Utoeya massacre, told the BBC she would be in court to hear Breivik testify.
"It's a historical date for Norwegians," she said. "We never had a trial like this, so we don't know what's going to happen.
"Prosecutors told me they were going to make the opening statements awful, so that people can just feel what he did right there."
Police have sealed off streets around the courtroom, which was specially built for the trial to accommodate more than 200 people. Glass partitions have been put up to separate the victims and their families from Breivik.[/quote]
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In the latter case, he faces a sentence of 21 years, which could be extended to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life.[/quote]
Going to be pretty messed up if he only gets 21 years.
Oh yes, he totally killed 77 people(mostly young people/kids) in self defense, they were totally a major threat.
being on the jury for that case must suck
[QUOTE=Valdor;35594237]Going to be pretty messed up if he only gets 21 years.[/QUOTE]
I thought Norway didn't have life imprisonment, and had limits on how long someone can be in prison.
[QUOTE=Valdor;35594237]Going to be pretty messed up if he only gets 21 years.[/QUOTE]
For the Nth time, that's the maximum jail sentence due to Norwegian constitution. After 21 years they can just give him 21 more years, and repeat ad infinitum.
Oh for fucks sake, this again
The longest you can be sentenced in one go is 21 years, but after that 21 years they review it and decide whether you need to be held longer. It's highly unlikely that Breivik would ever be released.
Hopefully he stays in jail for the rest of his life. People like him shouldn't even be kept alive to begin with.
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;35594300]For the Nth time, that's the maximum jail sentence due to Norwegian constitution. After 21 years they can just give him 21 more years, and repeat ad infinitum.[/QUOTE]
And Norway's citizens can pay taxes to keep the shitstain living in comfort, if kept in prison, dump a bucket of shit on him every day and make him clean it off with a terribly working faucet.
Rate me dumb because obviously he needs to be rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;35594285]I thought Norway didn't have life imprisonment, and had limits on how long someone can be in prison.[/QUOTE]
Its a 21 year max, at which the end of the case can be reviewed and extended an addition 7 years as many times as they see fit. Judging by his state of mind, it probably will always be extended.
[QUOTE=DeEz;35594353]Hopefully he stays in jail for the rest of his life. People like him shouldn't even be kept alive to begin with.[/QUOTE]
RIP this thread's original topic
"oh no all these teenagers might grow up becoming politicians in the rivalling party that has a different view on immigration and oh no they are unarmed holy shit this calls for action"
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35594363]And Norway's citizens can pay taxes to keep the shitstain living in comfort, if kept in prison, dump a bucket of shit on him every day and make him clean it off with a terribly working faucet.[/QUOTE]
Incoming dumbs for you because according to facepunch its good to keep monsters like this alive out of your own pocket.
[QUOTE=DeEz;35594353]Hopefully he stays in jail for the rest of his life. People like him shouldn't even be kept alive to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Killing him reduces his suffering, he should be kept alive for as long as possible.
Besides killing him makes him a martyr and an icon for far right skin head douchebags.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;35595248]Killing him reduces his suffering, he should be kept alive for as long as possible.
Besides killing him makes him a martyr and an icon for far right skin head douchebags.[/QUOTE]
His suffering? He goes into the courtroom smiling, I don't think he's suffering, at all.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35594363]And Norway's citizens can pay taxes to keep the shitstain living in comfort, if kept in prison, dump a bucket of shit on him every day and make him clean it off with a terribly working faucet.[/QUOTE]
We don't stoop to that level, sorry.
Because you can easily see the people he shot shooting HIM while running right.
[QUOTE=garychencool;35595327]His suffering? He goes into the courtroom smiling, I don't think he's suffering, at all.[/QUOTE]
He will also be in relative comfort in his cozy norwegian cell. It's messed up, but Norway made their country work this way.
It's in cases like this however, that the system fails. Were he to be fully rehabilitated and released, he would be lynched in minutes.
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;35595354]He will also be in relative comfort in his cozy norwegian cell. It's messed up, but Norway made their country work this way.
It's in cases like this however, that the system fails. Were he to be fully rehabilitated and released, he would be lynched in minutes.[/QUOTE]
If he ever was to be released (which is extremely unlikely) he'll be given a completely new identity and moved to some remote location.
And this is the same guy who was declared sane a few days ago?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35595412]And this is the same guy who was declared sane a few days ago?[/QUOTE]
Sane for trial.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35595412]And this is the same guy who was declared sane a few days ago?[/QUOTE]
Not "sane" as in perfectly mentally healthy, just "not a fucking lunatic" or "does not have voices in his head telling him to do stuff". He has a clear mind, and having a skewered political spectrum does not make you insane.
Usually , I wouldn't agree with death sentence, but holy shit this guy shot unarmed people and mostly kids because of muslims living in Norway, and he is still proud of what he has done. This guy got no right to live.
Gonna be interesting to see him explain himself tomorrow. He's apparently used a lot of time writing down an explanation and he got like 30 minutes to explain himself with what he's written down. And some additional time for general explaining.
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;35595354]It's messed up, but Norway made their country work this way.[/QUOTE]
"Messed up"? It prevents crime and actually bothers to teach, something all too many unfortunates have learnt goes a lot further than twenty minutes in the showers.
[QUOTE=garychencool;35595327]His suffering? He goes into the courtroom smiling, I don't think he's suffering, at all.[/QUOTE]
Honestly who cares is he's happy or sad, as long as he's not a threat for society.
[QUOTE=Median.J;35595509]Gonna be interesting to see him explain himself tomorrow. He's apparently used a lot of time writing down an explanation and he got like 30 minutes to explain himself with what he's written down. And some additional time for general explaining.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, because I believe it will just be the same crud he's been spouting so far. Multi-culturalist conspiracy, muslims aiming to take over the country, nationalism of the sociopath-flavor, etc.
Yeah, Shooting the kids in the back as they were swimming away in fear. Totally self defense
Its a ploy to purposely try to sound idiotic and stupid so he can be labelled as insane and be absolved of criminal guilt.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;35595842]Its a ploy to purposely try to sound idiotic and stupid so he can be labelled as insane and be absolved of criminal guilt.[/QUOTE]
But he doesn't want to be labelled as insane...
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