English Universities announcing fees over £9,000 limit - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Universities in England are already announcing a tuition fee increase above the £9,000 limit before Parliament has even finished debating plans which would pave the way to raise fees. Tuition fees for 2017 are listed on Durham, Kent and Royal Holloway websites as £9,250. MPs debating tuition fees in the House of Commons on Tuesday heard warnings there could be "significant rises". The government wants to link fee increases to teaching quality. Announcing a higher level of fees of £9,250 was attacked as "disgraceful arrogance from some universities" by the Liberal Democrat education spokesman John Pugh. The proposal to raise fees is "not a done deal", says Mr Pugh. Sally Hunt, leader of the UCU lecturers' union, said: 'Those universities foolish enough to advertise higher fees will be doing nothing to quell concerns from students and parents that they are simply after as much cash as they can get." The higher level fees now being advertised are for undergraduate courses starting in autumn 2017. There are references on university websites to fees being "subject to government confirmation" and "inflationary changes", but this comes before MPs have voted on legislation which could see fees rising above the upper limit of £9,000. Under the government's proposals, if universities meet a threshold of good-quality teaching, they will be able to increase fees with inflation, which for 2017 is calculated as allowing an extra £250. At this rate, tuition fees could be over £10,000 within the next four years.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36845106[/url]

fuck off "could rise over £10,000 in four years" fuck right off

it's almost like lots of universities had eu funding

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;50744584]it's almost like lots of universities had eu funding[/QUOTE] Yet in Scotland university is free for Scottish students. I don't think it's just that to be honest, the big hoo-hah when it was uncapped from £3000 a year was bad enough to cause riots and I don't even remember the argument universities said was the reason for upping it.

Well fuck me, it's almost like these fucking MP's want more riots.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50744636]Well fuck me, it's almost like these fucking MP's want more riots.[/QUOTE] They're doing it slowly over a long period though I doubt it'll get the same response as the 6k raise from last time. Moar debt IMO european countries should offer british students free education and citizenship. Brain drain

[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;50744584]it's almost like lots of universities had eu funding[/QUOTE] The government announced their intention to allow fees over £9000 [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-2015-live-emergency-uk-universities-will-be-allowed-to-raise-fees-beyond-9000-10375910.html]back in July 2015[/url], well before the EU referendum

Kids here in the US pay 35,000 plus per year. It's bullshit education should be free. or close to free. Its robbery to charge that much.

glad norn iron kept the 3k limit

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50744696]Kids here in the US pay 35,000 plus per year. It's bullshit education should be free. or close to free. Its robbery to charge that much.[/QUOTE] 35k a year?! HOLY FUCK Part of the reason why I didn't go to college. Granted it isn't nearly that much, but whatever sum of money would be wasted because I just don't have the will... Still, even for those who do have the will, they still pay out the ass for it.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50744712]35k a year?! HOLY FUCK Part of the reason why I didn't go to college. Granted it isn't nearly that much, but whatever sum of money would be wasted because I just don't have the will... Still, even for those who do have the will, they still pay out the ass for it.[/QUOTE] Public Schools offer things like grants and scholarships based in your academics but majority of people have to pay it out the ass and exit college at 22 with tens of thousands in debt. People used to declare bankruptcy right after to get rid of the loans so the government changed th laws that if you declare, student debt doesn't get wiped anymore. It's a growing bubble that's gonna pop at some point.

here in the uk paying off your loan is pretty managable and a lot of the time you dont have to pay all of it off, or for a very long time anyways tldr you wont be in debt as soon as you leave uni because a. you wont be earning enough to have to pay off the government grant yet or b. you'll be earning enough so early on that it won't be an issue regardless the fact that it's a government loaning scheme means that it's a lot more forgiving/intensive than it would be in the us etc. but it still sux.

[QUOTE=.Lain;50744746]here in the uk paying off your loan is pretty managable and a lot of the time you dont have to pay all of it off, or for a very long time anyways tldr you wont be in debt as soon as you leave uni because a. you wont be earning enough to have to pay off the government grant yet or b. you'll be earning enough so early on that it won't be an issue regardless but it still sux.[/QUOTE] You will still be in debt and that debt will be appreciating from interest. You'll probably end up paying far far more than the principle over your life and its unlikely it'll ever actually be paid off.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50744761]You will still be in debt and that debt will be appreciating from interest. You'll probably end up paying far far more than the principle over your life and its unlikely it'll ever actually be paid off.[/QUOTE] while that is true the debt is not all that grand, even with interest taken in to account. in the grand scheme of things the total costs for a regular 3yr course will be shadowed by other loans you will have to take out and pay off after then

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50744696]Kids here in the US pay 35,000 plus per year. It's bullshit education should be free. or close to free. Its robbery to charge that much.[/QUOTE] It's times like this I'm glad that I get two years of college for free just for being a resident of my city since the beginning of highschool (though I've been here since birth anyway) + the college I'm going to has a partnership with my highschool where you can take college classes while in highschool to get some of them out of the way (and they only cost like $11 each if you do it that way and books are school-provided). I managed to finish College Algebra, Comp 1, and Comp 2 before highschool ended and I'll be finishing other basics before transferring in two years.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50744712]35k a year?! HOLY FUCK Part of the reason why I didn't go to college. Granted it isn't nearly that much, but whatever sum of money would be wasted because I just don't have the will... Still, even for those who do have the will, they still pay out the ass for it.[/QUOTE] I don't know how it is in Portugal, but over here you can't get away with not going anymore. A four-year degree is the modern equivalent of what a high school diploma was 50-60 years ago. It's just expected for people to get one now, and there's a ridiculous number of places that require you to have one (regardless of whether or not it's actually relevant) for no other reason than it makes their establishments look nicer because they can brag about how "our employees are educated, look at how many have pieces of paper to prove it". You have a few people that go into trades and who learn vocational skills that earn a decent living, but people like Mike Rowe who push for more and more potential college students to follow in their footsteps ignore the fact that they're few and far in between. We're a service economy now, we revolve around white collar work, and you've got to go to college to get that piece of paper that says you have an education if you want a good chance at finding work here. That's just how it is.

[QUOTE=.Lain;50744746]here in the uk paying off your loan is pretty managable and a lot of the time you dont have to pay all of it off, or for a very long time anyways tldr you wont be in debt as soon as you leave uni because a. you wont be earning enough to have to pay off the government grant yet or b. you'll be earning enough so early on that it won't be an issue regardless the fact that it's a government loaning scheme means that it's a lot more forgiving/intensive than it would be in the us etc. but it still sux.[/QUOTE] It's somewhat manageable, but it still takes 9% of your wage which is quite a lot. If they raise the cap you'll very likely see that percentage go up. It's getting rather ridiculous, it should go back down to £3000. It seems to just be a way of keeping people from lower income families out of the top universities since it'll mostly be the Russell group universities that will see the fee hike, relegating people from normal families to less prestigious universities.

The really bullshit thing is the interest, which is: For the duration of your course: inflation + 3% If earning £21000 (which was meant to rise with inflation but they scrapped that bit): inflation If earning ~£42000 (upper tax bracket): inflation +3% In the middle, the +x% scales linearly, iirc. By tying it to inflation, it means the loan will hold its value real terms [I]at least[/I]. Most loans decay over time with inflation, but these ones are several levels of fucked.

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;50744712]35k a year?! HOLY FUCK Part of the reason why I didn't go to college. Granted it isn't nearly that much, but whatever sum of money would be wasted because I just don't have the will... Still, even for those who do have the will, they still pay out the ass for it.[/QUOTE] The room and board alone at my school is $10,000 per year and its a state school.

Jesus christ I am so glad we have free tuition here.

I'm doing a 4 year course so I'll leave uni with ~£56k debt assuming normal inflation etc

Good luck, everyone. Hopefully you won't end up like the American system. Some of my friends are in serious debt because university could be $40,000+ per year for out-of-state students.

What's the point in allowing higher fees? I reckon a lot of people don't end up paying nearly a quarter of their loans back, yeah the greedy universities get more money but it puts students in more debt and more money would have to be leant out by SFE (Student Finance England).

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50744696]Kids here in the US pay 35,000 plus per year. It's bullshit education should be free. or close to free. Its robbery to charge that much.[/QUOTE] It's only going to get worse too. With how slow the average wage is growing compared to the productivity of workers and whatnot, people are going to be forced to rely more and more on credit and thus debt in order to prop up other parts of their life. I wouldn't be surprised if this, and continually rising tuition costs start forcing people to forgo higher education in the future. This shit is really fucked up.

I hope the conservatives burn for this. This is their doing and I wish we'd do the country a favour and drive the cunts out.

I wonder how long until the great University crash. I decided not to go to uni and found a great job doing exactly what I wanted 15 mins away from where I live, and after 1 year I'm on a decent salary. I think more and more people are going to decide not to go to uni.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;50744696]Kids here in the US pay 35,000 plus per year. It's bullshit education should be free. or close to free. Its robbery to charge that much.[/QUOTE] only the idiots do. my state university tuition is around $11k a year before books and the US government gives me $5k a year to help cover tuition

Where does the money go to anyway

[QUOTE=meppers;50745123]only the idiots do. my state university tuition is around $11k a year before books and the US government gives me $5 a year to help cover tuition[/QUOTE] $5 per year? Hows that supposed to cover anything?

IMO they need to stop funding so many universities with public money and focus the money onto a more select number. New Labour suddenly decided that 50% of people needed to go to university when 50% of jobs weren't for graduates. Then as a result it became unsustainable to fund such a massive university system publicly, so they increased tuition fees. Only problem was that they continued to fund worthless degrees from poor universities, and as a result an estimated 50% of loans will be written off, meaning that the losses are merely being postponed, not ended. This wasn't the case in the past. Out of my mum's side, only one of three siblings went to university. The others went to polytechnics, getting education whilst working, and all three have done very well for themselves. This has ended, partly due to greedy employers not wanting to pay anything for training their employees, but partly also due to a conscious shift away from this kind of arrangement in government policy through making polytechnics full universities.