Puerto Rico relaxes school uniform rules for LGBT students. (students)can choose to wear pants or sk - Polidicks

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/puerto-rico-relaxes-school-uniform-rules-gay-students-182107669.html[/URL] [quote]Students at public schools across Puerto Rico for the first time can choose to wear pants or skirts as part of their uniform regardless of their gender without being punished, a move that has unleashed a debate in this socially conservative island. Education Secretary Rafael Roman said Monday that the new regulation he recently signed is meant to be inclusive of gay, lesbian and transgender students. He added that teachers will no longer be allowed to discipline students who prefer to wear pants instead of skirts or vice versa. "No student can be sanctioned for not opting to wear a particular piece of clothing ... that he or she does not feel comfortable with," he told reporters. Girls at public schools in Puerto Rico traditionally wear skirts as part of their uniforms and the boys wear pants.[/quote] needless to say this has caused a pretty big shitstorm in my little island.

PR is interesting. Progressive yet held back by man-made religion. Still love going there though.

Noice, noice, now to do away with the uniforms in general.

Seems interesting, students will be able to wear what they choose to be better for them. But they are now facing their parents view and opinions.

[QUOTE=TestECull;48889992]Noice, noice, now to do away with the uniforms in general.[/QUOTE] Uniforms are another part of manmade religion.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48890003]Uniforms are another part of manmade religion.[/QUOTE] uuhh, what? Uniforms are hardly a part of manmade religion, they're just a way to make everyone look the same and stifle expression. Useful in certain trades where you want to be able to recognize someone in that trade instantly, like police officers, but IMO not suitable for school.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48890003]Uniforms are another part of manmade religion.[/QUOTE] school uniforms are definitely not apart of any religion. they're used either to keep school students "uniform" in their style, or to get people ready for the workforce since some jobs have uniforms. I'm personally against uniforms, but they are a rule in most schools, and definitely not apart of a religion.

I think he means the man-made religion of rules, conformity, and a strict adherence to the teachings of modern society.

I grew up in schools with uniforms and never really cared much, does this mean I've been brainwashed by the patriarchy?

[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;48890076]I grew up in schools with uniforms and never really cared much, does this mean I've been brainwashed by the patriarchy?[/QUOTE] Yes, yes it does. In all seriousness, this is rather unexpected. Good on Puerto Rico.

The typical reason that schools enforce uniforms (apart from the senseless "well good ones use them!") is because it teaches students three 'values,' or ideas that are thought to be important. You might argue over their relative importance but at the very least they do seem effective. The first is conformity. The idea that people shouldn't be ridiculous and garish because it's distracting or disruptive. While [I]most[/I] adults won't bat an eye if John wears a tophat and cape to the office every day, it probably would be something management would want to talk to him about. It would be nice if there was a passive way to teach kids to respect that idea. The second is discipline. Maintaining your uniform and remembering to wear it helps (by doing and passively enforcing) the idea of positive but non-gratifying habits like brushing your teeth or doing your homework. The third and final one is order, which is like the marriage of discipline and conformity. By making sure that everyone is relatively similar and that there is a clear identification of who belongs there and who doesn't, things are sorted automatically and easily. It demonstrates how the world (which may appear to be simply chaos) can be organized even with seemingly token gestures. I think it's a good idea to formulate student dress codes and uniforms in a way that lets them express themselves. It's blind rule following when codes of uniform have little to no way for people to stand apart, because the point shouldn't be some pseudo-chinese art of [I]destroying identity,[/I] it's the three other things. My school had a fairly simple but rigid "solid colored collared shirt, and slacks" uniform but would let sportsmen (and women) wear school team items, like sweaters and jackets, to class.

[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;48890076]I grew up in schools with uniforms and never really cared much, does this mean I've been brainwashed by the patriarchy?[/QUOTE]More just that you grew up in a stupid but hardly damaging system and are just accustomed to it.

[QUOTE=Rowtree;48890071]I think he means the man-made religion of rules, conformity, and a strict adherence to the teachings of modern society.[/QUOTE] Sure, but if you're going to define that as religion than the definition becomes almost useless because it signifies everything. School uniforms are not religious uniforms, despite supposed similarities.

This is great. I know from experience that sometimes the biggest bigots in the classroom were not the "cacos" but the teachers. That's when they actually show up to teach.. my highschool years were horrible here.

Pants for everyone! Sure, skirts are great, but forcing people to wear them isn't. I guess it's okay if people were allowed to wear shorts underneath, though. Not that it matters now.

I would wear a skirt at least for a while just for the kicks. And the breezy breezy ballsack.

Uniforms are a great idea because they put everyone on a more level playing field so that rich kids won't end up flaunting their wealth by wearing expensive clothes, and poorer students won't get picked on for wearing shabby clothes. It forces students to focus on what's important (studying) and makes them ignore what's not (fashion).

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48891490]Uniforms are a great idea because they put everyone on a more level playing field so that rich kids won't end up flaunting their wealth by wearing expensive clothes, and poorer students won't get picked on for wearing shabby clothes. It forces students to focus on what's important (studying) and makes them ignore what's not (fashion).[/QUOTE]Rich kids flaunt their wealth in other ways, like having expensive supplies, expensive accessories, expensive vehicles, not going to the same schools as the poor kids. Uniforms do nothing to stop that, there are so many social tells for class that people pick up.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48891490]Uniforms are a great idea because they put everyone on a more level playing field so that rich kids won't end up flaunting their wealth by wearing expensive clothes, and poorer students won't get picked on for wearing shabby clothes. It forces students to focus on what's important (studying) and makes them ignore what's not (fashion).[/QUOTE] Really falls apart when you have name brand clothes out there like Hollister and Aeropostale and that's how people differentiate, the High School I went to the rich kids always wore that namebrand shit and the poorer kids wore the Walmart brand khakis and polo shirts Plus having noice cars and smartphones and other shit

[QUOTE=EvilMattress;48891603]Really falls apart when you have name brand clothes out there like Hollister and Aeropostale and that's how people differentiate, the High School I went to the rich kids always wore that namebrand shit and the poorer kids wore the Walmart brand khakis and polo shirts Plus having noice cars and smartphones and other shit[/QUOTE] Ugh I simply couldn't bear wearing some of the namebrand school uniforms, the walmart brands always were more comfortable for me :v: But yeah having uniforms means the schoolboard can exert some sort of power so they're going to take what they can get.

I think school uniforms are dumb as fuck. They accomplish jack shit except crushing individuality. I've had to wear them, I noticed no difference between a school with them and a school without them except for some reason it gives the officials some sort of masturbatory pleasure to see me in khakis. Anyway, it's weird that they're promoting this as an LGBT thing. I get that transgendered people get to wear the right clothing, which is good, but I can't think of how this benefits gay people. Plus, I would figure the most prominent usage of this is going to be girls wearing pants instead of a skirt.

never seen school uniforms hairstyle restrictions or anything like that lol they sound dumb as fuck [editline]13th October 2015[/editline] but seriously girls were forced to wear skirts wtf? dude thats totally fucking shit

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48891490]Uniforms are a great idea because they put everyone on a more level playing field so that rich kids won't end up flaunting their wealth by wearing expensive clothes, and poorer students won't get picked on for wearing shabby clothes. It forces students to focus on what's important (studying) and makes them ignore what's not (fashion).[/QUOTE] my school has uniforms and there is still a divide by rich and poor via apparel because most of the rich kids wear the most expensive name brand for polos and khakis. I get your point, but unfortunately it still doesn't work out to its full extent.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;48890026]school uniforms are definitely not apart of any religion. they're used either to keep school students "uniform" in their style, or to get people ready for the workforce since some jobs have uniforms. I'm personally against uniforms, but they are a rule in most schools, and definitely not apart of a religion.[/QUOTE] They're act out the same mechanism as religion though.

[QUOTE=Rocko's;48892028]my school has uniforms and there is still a divide by rich and poor via apparel because most of the rich kids wear the most expensive name brand for polos and khakis. I get your point, but unfortunately it still doesn't work out to its full extent.[/QUOTE] My school (and almost all schools where I come from) have standardised uniforms that all students have to wear. The only way you could differentiate yourself was with shoes and accessories, both of which had restrictions as well.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48891490]Uniforms are a great idea because they put everyone on a more level playing field so that rich kids won't end up flaunting their wealth by wearing expensive clothes, and poorer students won't get picked on for wearing shabby clothes. It forces students to focus on what's important (studying) and makes them ignore what's not (fashion).[/QUOTE] Pretty disingenuous thing to say, considering that rich kids will fluant their wealth in other ways. Plus there's quality of the clothes wearing, or newness like how my friend wore a charity shop blazer with a badge stitched on it, I wore a hand me down blazer and most people wore new ones. Or when the uniform is simply a style, I'm here in a cheap v neck jumper while the guy sitting next to me is in a designer suit. Of all the things we can do about socioeconomic inequality forcing people to wear a certain set or style of clothes isn't one of them. [editline]13th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;48892078]My school (and almost all schools where I come from) have standardised uniforms that all students have to wear. The only way you could differentiate yourself was with shoes and accessories, both of which had restrictions as well.[/QUOTE] Seriously, just consider who had holes in their jumpers, faded shoes, stitched suits and yellowing shirts and who had tailored shirts, designer shoes etc etc

[QUOTE=Rossy167;48892084]Pretty disingenuous thing to say, considering that rich kids will fluant their wealth in other ways. Plus there's quality of the clothes wearing, or newness like how my friend wore a charity shop blazer with a badge stitched on it, I wore a hand me down blazer and most people wore new ones. Or when the uniform is simply a style, I'm here in a cheap v neck jumper while the guy sitting next to me is in a designer suit. Of all the things we can do about socioeconomic inequality forcing people to wear a certain set or style of clothes isn't one of them. [editline]13th October 2015[/editline] Seriously, just consider who had holes in their jumpers, faded shoes, stitched suits and yellowing shirts and who had tailored shirts, designer shoes etc etc[/QUOTE] When I meant uniforms, I meant the kind you see in anime. Everyone has to buy and wear the exact same set of clothes, you don't get to choose what brand of shirt to wear, what blazer to put over it, or what type of jumper to get. The school sells it and you buy it (subsidised by the school if you are from a low-income family). I think it's a good thing because it inculcates the idea of conformity, which is important in the workplace and society at large. Blast away about how individuality all you want, but at the end of the day we live in a society and society has certain rules that need to be followed, and uniforms are a way of introducing that idea in a very concrete form.

I wish real life was like anime

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48892096]When I meant uniforms, I meant the kind you see in anime. Everyone has to buy and wear the exact same set of clothes, you don't get to choose what brand of shirt to wear, what blazer to put over it, or what type of jumper to get. The school sells it and you buy it (subsidised by the school if you are from a low-income family). I think it's a good thing because it inculcates the idea of conformity, which is important in the workplace and society at large. Blast away about how individuality all you want, but at the end of the day we live in a society and society has certain rules that need to be followed, and uniforms are a way of introducing that idea in a very concrete form.[/QUOTE] No, my school had that in the lower school and there were still differences: black blazers with badges stitched on rather than official blazers, white shirts going yellow, school jumpers with holes in etc. Now in sixth form there's the cheap vs designer situation too. [editline]13th October 2015[/editline] Also, fuck conformity. Conformity without question, simply for conformity sake is inherently bad.

[QUOTE=Butthurter;48892111]ive never heard of a school uniform where girls didnt have to wear skirts, or short skirts for that matter all the dumb stuff youd find about anime all comes from this[/QUOTE] In all my schools girls wore the same thing as boys