• Petitions spring up in response to New Orleans Mayor's plan to move Confederate statues
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[QUOTE]NEW ORLEANS, LA (WAFB) - Multiple online petitions have sprung up in response to New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu's plan to remove confederate landmarks in the Crecent City. The nationally known petition site Change.org has seen thousands of people sign petitions related to the incident after mayor Mitch Landrieu asked the New Orleans city council to begin the legal process of having four confederate monuments declared "public nuisances", allowing them to be removed and relocated. As of Sunday night, a petition asking signees to boycott New Orleans if Landrieu goes through with his plan has reached more than 1,800 signatures. Another petition gathered over 10,000 signatures.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.wafb.com/story/29530770/petitions-spring-up-in-response-to-new-orleans-mayors-plan-to-move-confederate-statues"]Source[/URL]
"Haha yeah guys lets just move this stuff that's on the National Registry for Historic Places".
Fucking Yankees.
"But we think it's ok in historical contexts...." ***Tries to get rid of historical monument***
Yep, just try and hide and erase history so no one can learn from it or understand it.
As a NOLAer I doubt our mayor will listen. He's incompetent enough as it is and he knows he'll get good PR from removing confederate monuments regardless of this petition. But who knows, hopefully he'll listen to the people for once, he hasn't done that yet.
[QUOTE=MR-X;48191142]Yep, just try and hide and erase history so no one can learn from it or understand it.[/QUOTE] Removing monuments isn't erasing history. Don't be ridiculous.
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I think monuments to shameful parts of history should be in museums, not so much on display outside so they can continue to glorify what they represent. When outside of a museum, they represent what they were built for; when inside a museum, they represent history.
Apparently one of the monuments they want taken down is a statue of of P.G.T. Beauregard, who didn't even support slavery. Are these people just lashing out at the first sign of anything "confederate"? I mean really, this is getting ridiculous.
This just in Georgia in talks of blowing up Stone Mountain due to confederate carving
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48193087]I think monuments to shameful parts of history should be in museums, not so much on display outside so they can continue to glorify what they represent. When outside of a museum, they represent what they were built for; when inside a museum, they represent history.[/QUOTE] Funnily enough, the (country's only?) Confederate Museum is directly adjacent to Lee Circle... they've been trying to shut that place down for decades.
As a northerner who despises the flying of the confederate flag, this is stupid.
Leave the monuments up, they were probably built after the war anyway. They're probably afraid the monuments will lure racists to come and enshrine and worship it or something.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48193087]I think monuments to shameful parts of history should be in museums, not so much on display outside so they can continue to glorify what they represent. When outside of a museum, they represent what they were built for; when inside a museum, they represent history.[/QUOTE] At least Lee Circle and its statue is on the National Registry of Historic Places (not sure about the others), so no it does represent history where it is. Moving it ruins that.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48193087]I think monuments to shameful parts of history should be in museums, not so much on display outside so they can continue to glorify what they represent. When outside of a museum, they represent what they were built for; when inside a museum, they represent history.[/QUOTE] Budapest does it great. City got a bigass park of communist-era statues and monuments all collected in one place instead of spread throughout city or destroyed. Awesome place.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48192743]Removing monuments isn't erasing history. Don't be ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I wish we still had the dumb rating in this section, of course it's erasing history, they were put there in remembrance of a historic event.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48196764]I wish we still had the dumb rating in this section, of course it's erasing history, they were put there in remembrance of a historic event.[/QUOTE] Creating a monument implies you're not just remembering that history but glorifying those the monument was built for. Removing a monument doesn't "erase history". Denying the actual history of something does though. 90% of the people I've seen crying about the removal of Confederate items love to screech about "erasing history" then go on to say that the battle flag or whatever means nothing more than "Southern pride" (imagine being proud of being born somewhere). It's super hypocritical.
How long until Schools in the South stop teaching about the Civil War and people are forced to learn about it outside of School?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48196820]How long until Schools in the South stop teaching about the Civil War and people are forced to learn about it outside of School?[/QUOTE] Sick nasty slippery slope man you sure showed those lefties!!! Nobody is trying to erase the civil war from your fucking history, calm down. People are merely recognising a symbol for what it is, a symbol of oppression. You can still actually fly the flag, build monuments, etc. if you really want to, there's no legal precedent against it. You'll just look more like a racist hick than ever before.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;48194954]Leave the monuments up, they were probably built after the war anyway. They're probably afraid the monuments will lure racists to come and enshrine and worship it or something.[/QUOTE] I couldn't imagine why the Confederates would build monuments to their men and generals [I]during[/I] the war while they were losing :v:
[QUOTE=Comcastic;48193179]Apparently one of the monuments they want taken down is a statue of of P.G.T. Beauregard, who didn't even support slavery. Are these people just lashing out at the first sign of anything "confederate"? I mean really, this is getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Does this mean we should overreact to everything? Welp, let's ban money, it has pictures of slaveholders on them. Let's ban the constitution while we're at it. It was drafted and signed by slave owners.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48196814]Creating a monument implies you're not just remembering that history but glorifying those the monument was built for. Removing a monument doesn't "erase history". Denying the actual history of something does though. 90% of the people I've seen crying about the removal of Confederate items love to screech about "erasing history" then go on to say that the battle flag or whatever means nothing more than "Southern pride" (imagine being proud of being born somewhere). It's super hypocritical.[/QUOTE] The Statues of Lee and Beauregard are on the National Registry for Historic Places, aka sites deemed worthy of preservation. Basically things you don't want to move or destroy.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48196928]Does this mean we should overreact to everything? Welp, let's ban money, it has pictures of slaveholders on them. Let's ban the constitution while we're at it. It was drafted and signed by slave owners.[/QUOTE] I thought Obama always wanted to destroy the constitution.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48196844]Nobody is trying to erase the civil war from your fucking history, calm down. People are merely recognising a symbol for what it is, a symbol of oppression. You can still actually fly the flag, build monuments, etc. if you really want to, there's no legal precedent against it. You'll just look more like a racist hick than ever before.[/QUOTE] I don't know, removing monuments to the dead seems like your trying to erase it.
[QUOTE=Comcastic;48193179]Apparently one of the monuments they want taken down is a statue of of P.G.T. Beauregard, who didn't even support slavery. Are these people just lashing out at the first sign of anything "confederate"? I mean really, this is getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE] In this day and age, it's easier to just slam anything "offensive looking" rather than understand it first. And with recent events involving black people being shot, you sure as hell bet people are going to ride on this Confederate thing until it dies off and something else "offensive" happens. [editline]13th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;48196814]Creating a monument implies you're not just remembering that history but glorifying those the monument was built for. Removing a monument doesn't "erase history". Denying the actual history of something does though. 90% of the people I've seen crying about the removal of Confederate items love to screech about "erasing history" then go on to say that the battle flag or whatever means nothing more than "Southern pride" (imagine being proud of being born somewhere). It's super hypocritical.[/QUOTE] I'm with this, I won't deny the negative symbolism related to this flag, and I'm ok with attacking the slavery symbolism that flag represents. But as a lover of History I shall not stand for folks wanting to piss or sometimes outright vandalize historical monuments because it's "offensive".
How is it wrong to glorify a Confederate leader who worked actively against slavery, shouldn't that be something [I]worth[/I] glorifying? Or is it really just that they don't care about the truth?
Either move it to a museum, or don't move it.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48196844]Sick nasty slippery slope man you sure showed those lefties!!![/QUOTE] why does someone [i]have[/i] to be "right" to dislike this and think it could lead to something worse? all bringing partisan shit into this does is alienate people who you could try to convince people to see your side but you're just posting some zinger right at the start it just looks like you want to show everyone how right you are and get people who already agree with you to agree with you even more. it's basically masturbatory [editline]13th July 2015[/editline] i find myself agreeing largely with liberal viewpoints but my god the argumentative skills and ability to actually convince people who don't agree with a lot of people, liberal and conservative, is fucking atrocious. nobody gives a shit about convincing anyone they just want to look good to their peers. i mean, i fall into the same trap too, so i guess we all need to stop arguing to make ourselves feel gold.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48190942]"But we think it's ok in historical contexts...." ***Tries to get rid of historical monument***[/QUOTE] Did none of you guys read the article, seriously the petitions are people [B]opposing[/B] the moving of the statue and boycotting the city of New Orleans if they decide to move it. Over 12,000 people across multiple petitions. I'm about to sign it right now. I'm probably one of the people on the forum most opposed to the confederate flag and I still think that removing this statue is probably the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. It's a historical monument established shortly after the Civil War by Civil War veterans - it's not like the South Carolina confederate flag, which was put up in the 60's to show support for groups that were opposing the civil rights movement. I know nobody who supports the New Orleans government in this. Even people who hate the confederate flag in every way. It's a historical monument and it shouldn't be whitewashed - it's very very different than removing a flag that was raised for racist purposes in the first place. [editline]13th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Disgruntled;48198314]Either move it to a museum, or don't move it.[/QUOTE] It's a historical monument on the national registry of historic places. Moving it would be like telling Nazi Germany they need to move all the memorials to dead Nazi soldiers into museums - there are literally thousands of small memorials all across Germany that commemorate dead Nazi soldiers and they're considered historical monuments and aren't destroyed or moved into museums.
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