Chelsea Manning to Undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery
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[QUOTE]Imprisoned former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning has learned that she will receive gender transition surgery, her lawyer told CNN, in what could make her the first US prison inmate to undergo such a procedure.
Manning, a transgender woman, was convicted of stealing and disseminating 750,000 pages of documents and videos to WikiLeaks.
The former US Army soldier is serving a 35-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth, an all-male Army prison in eastern Kansas. Her lawyers say she has been denied medical treatment for her gender dysphoria, a condition in which there is a conflict between a person's physical sex and the gender he or she identifies with.
The government's refusal to treat her for her condition led to a suicide attempt in July, her lawyers said.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/chelsea-manning-gender-reassignment-surgery/[/url]
I wish more transgender people got this good of treatment. (the transition part not the prison part)
I'm not sure how much good that will do in a country that threatens to put her in indefinite solitary confinement as a punishment for attempted suicide for other equally outrageous punishments.
[QUOTE=bitches;51047449]I'm not sure how much good that will do in a country that threatens to put her in indefinite solitary confinement as a punishment for attempted suicide for other equally outrageous punishments.[/QUOTE]
Well don't do anything stupid to get put into military prison. While the treatment she has been getting sucks and it harsh even by U.S prison standards but you can't feel all that sorry for her seeing as she recklessly released documents and did more harm then good.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51047456]Well don't do anything stupid to get put into military prison. While the treatment she has been getting sucks and it harsh even by U.S prison standards but you can't feel all that sorry for her seeing as she recklessly released documents and did more harm then good.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I can feel sorry for someone receiving cruel and unusual punishment.
Being involved with the military is no reason to lose your human rights.
Considering our government's history of ruining legal whistleblowers, I can't blame her at all for leaking information unofficially.
[QUOTE=bitches;51047463]Yes, I can feel sorry for someone receiving cruel and unusual punishment.
Being involved with the military is no reason to lose your human rights.
Considering our government's history of ruining legal whistleblowers, I can't blame her at all for leaking information unofficially.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about leaking information unoffically, the information she leaked put a lot of people in harms way and really did nothing to expose corruption. Also when you join the military you're signing a contract which you know damn well of and you sign that and you are now gov't property.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51047456]Well don't do anything stupid to get put into military prison. While the treatment she has been getting [B]sucks and it harsh even by U.S prison standards[/B] but you can't feel all that sorry for her seeing as she recklessly released documents and did more harm then good.[/QUOTE]
If her standards of treatment are harsh even by or below, U.S standards then there is a serious problem. I can and will feel sorry for her on the level that no one should be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. To simply brush it aside because of the bad things she has done is to look those standards and inalienable rights dead in the eyes and spit all over them.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047568]He could've gotten far worse punishment for what he did though[/QUOTE]
tactical misgendering. A+ move. arse.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047590]Sorry, this is kind of confusing to me. They were still a man at the time of the leaks, and didn't go through with the gender change from what I can understand here[/QUOTE]
literally every other person in this thread is referring to them by female terms and yet you, someone who's spoken entirely negatively of her throughout the thread, somehow "don't realize" that she identifies as female? pull the other one, mate.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047508]People actually sympathize with traitors?
Manning's leaks did a lot of damage and no good for the people.[/QUOTE]
People actually think that human rights don't matter?
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51047574]tactical misgendering. A+ move. arse.[/QUOTE]
For awhile I figured they were trying to be a transgender to aid them in the situation they were in and for support. Some people still feel like that. Heck, I still question it.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51047491]I'm not talking about leaking information unoffically, the information she leaked put a lot of people in harms way and really did nothing to expose corruption. Also when you join the military you're signing a contract which you know damn well of and you sign that and you are now gov't property.[/QUOTE]
Being "government property" doesn't make it [I]right[/I]. It makes it creepy and abusive.
[QUOTE=Sleeves;51047602]For awhile I figured they were trying to be a transgender to aid them in the situation they were in and for support. Some people still feel like that. Heck, I still question it.[/QUOTE]
considering she's passed the psychologist checks i'd say that's not the case tho. like its not just "ru sure u wanna chop ur billybollocks off" its a long process of verifying dysphoria vs autogynephilia
[QUOTE=Sleeves;51047602]For awhile I figured they were trying to be a transgender to aid them in the situation they were in and for support. Some people still feel like that. Heck, I still question it.[/QUOTE]
Would you seek permanent body-altering surgery as a ploy for public sympathy?
[editline]13th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047590]Sorry, this is kind of confusing to me. They were still a man at the time of the leaks, and didn't go through with the gender change from what I can understand here[/QUOTE]
She "didn't go through with" it because she has not been granted access to that medical treatment.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51047574][B][I]tactical misgendering[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but that is probably the single most badass way to describe the act of not using someone's preferred pronouns ever.
It makes it sound fucking radical
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;51047674]I'm sorry but that is probably the single most badass way to describe the act of not using someone's preferred pronouns ever.[/QUOTE]
im a bad b*tch
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;51047674]I'm sorry but that is probably the single most badass way to describe the act of not using someone's preferred pronouns ever.
It makes it sound fucking radical[/QUOTE]
the point is that it's a very common thing done to derail an argument the offending user doesn't wish to follow through with
Why is it that everything this turd does makes the news? Anyways, might as well make her less miserable for the next 33 years.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047774]I can edit my post if it makes you feel better?[/QUOTE]
i'm just explaining to Aphtonites what Roger Waters was implying
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;51047771]Why is it that everything this turd does makes the news? Anyways, might as well make her less miserable for the next 33 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51047791]Because it's involving some trans person.
It literally wouldn't have touched the news if manning wasn't trans.[/QUOTE]
Manning's case is important because it sets precedent for how transgender citizens are treated in prison scenarios in the United States.
That's a lot more important than the Kardashian scenario you're making it out to be.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51047791]Because it's involving some trans person.
It literally wouldn't have touched the news if manning wasn't trans.[/QUOTE]
christ you're despicable
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51047831]uh. What? Do you honestly think that manning's case would have made the news (other than the original trial) if manning wasn't trans?
Do you seriously think that they'd cover "oh hey, another dude in military prison tried hanging himself". No, they wouldn't. You'd never hear manning's name again if it wasn't for the fact that she's trans.[/QUOTE]
manning's case would have been covered no matter waht because she created a huge media storm by leaking like she did so uh yeah it wouldve been mentioend anyway. this isnt Private Pyle using an unauthed USB and causing some maneuver details to get leaked or anything
the fact that she's trans has just added another layer of confusion and ~drama~ to an already juicy news story and allows people like you, who are willing to completely write off the struggles of others and the fact that, you know, cases involving prejudice tend to set precedent for future cases of prejudice, to buff up their ego by acting like they Know The Answers that it's all a Tranny Agenda Lie
so yeah you are pretty despicable.
[editline]14th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cructo;51047837]That was pretty rude to be honest, [/QUOTE]
welcome to facepunch
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51047831]uh. What? Do you honestly think that manning's case would have made the news (other than the original trial) if manning wasn't trans?
Do you seriously think that they'd cover "oh hey, another dude in military prison tried hanging himself". No, they wouldn't. You'd never hear manning's name again if it wasn't for the fact that she's trans.[/QUOTE]
while definitely not a constructive thing to say, Roger Waters was referring to how you seemed to be dismissive of the importance held by this particular prisoner's treatment
whether true or not, you came across as a few steps removed from saying "the liberal pc media is just focusing on trans people for their agenda", once combined with the sentiment presented by InvaderNouga
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51047864]What the fuck are you on about?
Seriously. "tranny agenda lie"? Yea.. no..
I'm not writing off the struggle, i'm saying that the entire reason the struggle has been televised is because of the fact that manning is a trans individual, who was found guilty of leaking classified information, and sentenced to prison. Her treatment at the prison has been televised because she has been treated harshly under military prison rules. [/QUOTE]
you're still doing it tho. the fact that manning is trans isn't some point that should be ignored, it's [b]the entire[/b] point because there has never been a well-known military figure who has come out in military prison before. her treatment will set a precedent for future treatment of trans people. the fact youre willing to write it off as "just because she's trans" in the same vein as people who will write shit off as "just because she's a woman" is exactly why transphobes can get away with the bullshit they can.
just because being openly trans is far more known about now and more accepted in shitholes like this website doesn't mean the battle's won. every single day trans people are still fighting an uphill battle and it's cases like this where they get left to fall beneath the wheels of a society that still by and large scorns their mere existence purely because they loathe the skin they live in
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[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51047875]you're still doing it tho. the fact that manning is trans isn't some point that should be ignored, it's [b]the entire[/b] point because there has never been a well-known military figure who has come out in military prison before. her treatment will set a precedent for future treatment of trans people. the fact youre willing to write it off as "just because she's trans" in the same vein as people who will write shit off as "just because she's a woman" is exactly why transphobes can get away with the bullshit they can.
just because being openly trans is far more known about now and more accepted in shitholes like this website doesn't mean the battle's won. every single day trans people are still fighting an uphill battle and it's cases like this where they get left to fall beneath the wheels of a society that still by and large scorns their mere existence purely because they loathe the skin they live in
\o/[/QUOTE]
[B]you are both saying the exact same thing so please stop inflaming the argument[/B]
you are making it very hard to be constructive
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;51047875]you're still doing it tho. the fact that manning is trans isn't some point that should be ignored, it's [b]the entire[/b] point because there has never been a well-known military figure who has come out in military prison before. her treatment will set a precedent for future treatment of trans people. the fact youre willing to write it off as "just because she's trans" in the same vein as people who will write shit off as "just because she's a woman" is exactly why transphobes can get away with the bullshit they can.
just because being openly trans is far more known about now and more accepted in shitholes like this website doesn't mean the battle's won. every single day trans people are still fighting an uphill battle and it's cases like this where they get left to fall beneath the wheels of a society that still by and large scorns their mere existence purely because they loathe the skin they live in
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So...
You're agreeing with him?
You just said the entire point is the fact that Manning is trans. Which is exactly what ilikecorn is saying - the entire reason it's getting covered is the fact that Manning is trans.
I don't have a horse in this race, but I couldn't help but notice this and thought it worth pointing out I think you're jumping on his back for slightly misinterpreted reasons.
i've smoked a whole bunch of crack
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[QUOTE=Cructo;51047885]I don't see exactly how a traitor being transgender helps the problem with transphobia though[/QUOTE]
a high-profile US prisoner, as explained a few times on this page already, can set precedent regarding prison medical services
successfully embedding sexual surgeries and treatments into prison treatment allowance legitimizes the concept of treating gender dysphoria with physical surgery, and has implications for medical care insurance companies in a country slowly pushing for healthcare regulation
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51047891]So...
You're agreeing with him?
You just said the entire point is the fact that Manning is trans. Which is exactly what ilikecorn is saying - the entire reason it's getting covered is the fact that Manning is trans.
I don't have a horse in this race, but I couldn't help but notice this and thought it worth pointing out I think you're jumping on his back for slightly misinterpreted reasons.[/QUOTE]
im disagreeing with the fact that manning being trans is the sole reason it's being reported [b]and[/b] that it being reported based solely on that is bad. i'm arguing that it is, in fact, good.
[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;51047891]So...
You're agreeing with him?
You just said the entire point is the fact that Manning is trans. Which is exactly what ilikecorn is saying - the entire reason it's getting covered is the fact that Manning is trans.
I don't have a horse in this race, but I couldn't help but notice this and thought it worth pointing out I think you're jumping on his back for slightly misinterpreted reasons.[/QUOTE]
Horse is the proper term because some people have those horse blinders on right now.
So this is where my taxes go...
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