S. Korea Announces Another Drill... This time with Fighter Jets! - Polidicks

[quote] SEOUL — South Korea announced on Wednesday land and sea military exercises including its largest-ever live-fire drill near North Korea in a big show of force just as tension on the peninsula was easing after Pyongyang's attack on a southern island. The land drill, involving artillery, fighter jets and the largest number of personnel in a peace-time exercise, will take place on Thursday, after the South's live-fire artillery exercise on Monday on the island of Yeonpyeong, and is bound to infuriate the North, Reuters news agency reported. However, North Korea does not consider the inland drill site to be as sensitive as the border area it disputes near Yeonpyeong, NBC News reported. Also, South Korea began annual naval exercises off its east coast Wednesday, The Associated Press reported. North Korea this week offered to re-admit U.N. inspectors concerned about its nuclear-weapon program, leading to speculation of a resumption of the six-party disarmament talks and a general sigh of relief around the world that the crisis had passed. "Yes, it will be a show of force against that," an army officer said when asked if the shelling of Yeonpyeong last month was a factor in the Thursday drill's planning. He added similar drills had been staged previously on more than 50 occasions, but the scale this time was unprecedented. It will take place in Pocheon region, less than 50 km north of downtown Seoul. The naval drills beginning Wednesday and ending Saturday are on the opposite coast from the disputed sea border near Yeonpyeong. A Joint Chiefs of Staff officer said navy ships will fire artillery and conduct anti-submarine exercises. The officer spoke on condition of anonymity, citing department rules. The Korean crisis peaked when Pyongyang shelled Yeonpyeong just south of the disputed border, killing four people — including two civilians — in the worst attack on South Korean territory since the end of the civil war in 1953. The South carried out live-fire drills on Yeonpyeong on Monday, which provoked only a verbal reaction from the North. North Korea had vowed to strike back if the South went ahead with the drills, prompting fears of all-out war. China, North Korea's only major ally, China, has continually urged dialogue to resolve the crisis and urged Pyongyang to follow through on its offer to allow U.N. inspectors into the country. The Chinese Foreign Ministry had no immediate comment on the planned drill. Seoul's Joongang Daily said South Korea should practice "nimble diplomacy" and forge a closer relationship with China. "As long as there is a constant threat from the North to launch a surprise attack, we must be on high alert from a military perspective," the newspaper said. "But such preparations should be combined with diplomacy. We should reduce our diplomatic dependence on the United States and strengthen our ties with China and Russia." Finance Minister Yoon Jeung-hyun, speaking before the announcement of the drill, said that domestic financial markets had weathered the crisis and the South Korean economy, Asia's fourth-largest, stayed on a growth track. But he warned that the tension could still dent consumer spending with a key sentiment measure due on Friday. "Financial markets have been absorbing the North Korea risk without big trouble but we can't rule out consumer spending getting hurt (by the tension)," Yoon said during a weekly meeting of senior economic officials. The won edged down slightly while stocks and bonds were stable as traders shrugged off the North Korea risk. Traders said earlier on Wednesday that the currency was generally being affected more by concern over the euro zone. Consumers and businesses in South Korea say they have lived with tensions on the divided peninsula for decades and markets do not always react although the recent crisis had rattled global markets and remained an underlying risk. [/quote] [url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40775126/ns/world_news-asiapacific]Hey Kim, where is the retaliation you promised?[/url]

ok now SK is just being a dick

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26871945]ok now SK is just being a dick[/QUOTE] they are just waiting for nk to attack them so they can get the war started

Yeah, seems like SK is just doing this to piss NK off

[QUOTE=Shustriy;26871953]Yeah, seems like SK is just doing this to piss NK off[/QUOTE] They have every right to run military drills in their own country.

Yes.... 'Drill' :ninja:

[img]http://www.transparencynow.com/images/hawk2.jpg[/img] "This is not what I thought they meant when they said I got to see the green "plains" of Korea."

The new defense minister obviously wants war. I wonder if this entire thing was staged just to take down north korea given the chance. It's possible but I don't have solid proof. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Vinze;26872053][img_thumb]http://www.transparencynow.com/images/hawk2.jpg[/img_thumb] "This is not what I thought they meant when they said I got to see the green "plains" of Korea."[/QUOTE] M*A*S*H is cool.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26871945]ok now SK is just being a dick[/QUOTE] man i said this shit before fuck it [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Sector 7;26871975]They have every right to run military drills in their own country.[/QUOTE] not at the cost of its civilians lives that's a stupid idea

SK is just testing the waters to see what NK will do in retaliation. NK probably won't just nuke SK, because NK wants to unite both of the countries.

[QUOTE=Roof;26871951]they are just waiting for nk to attack them so they can get the war started[/QUOTE] I think this is more of a dick flaunting thing, kind of too say "Fuck you Kim, you know you're fucked if you do anything, and you look like a pansy if you don't, we'll do what eeeeeeeeeeeever we want"

[QUOTE=thisispain;26872069]not at the cost of its civilians lives that's a stupid idea[/QUOTE] so SK's government should just cower in fear in case their insane neighbor decides to attack? sounds perfectly reasonable to me

war breaks out, korea gets unified

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872146]so SK's government should just cower in fear in case their insane neighbor decides to attack? sounds perfectly reasonable to me[/QUOTE] Maybe they are trying to go up against KJI, I really do want war with North Korea. -1 North Korea is good enough for me.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872146]so SK's government should just cower in fear in case their insane neighbor decides to attack? sounds perfectly reasonable to me[/QUOTE] uh yeah easy for you to say considering you probably don't live in korea, but uh the general population doesn't want a war on both sides i don't know how you can sarcastically say "sounds perfectly reasonable to me" when you're suggesting human lives are unimportant compared to looking like a coward

[QUOTE=thisispain;26872167]uh yeah easy for you to say considering you probably don't live in korea, but uh the general population doesn't want a war on both sides i don't know how you can sarcastically say "sounds perfectly reasonable to me" when you're suggesting human lives are unimportant compared to looking like a coward[/QUOTE] SK's government took tons of flak (from their own people) for not responding more aggressively to NK's artillery attack.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872214]SK's government took tons of flak (from their own people) for not responding more aggressively to NK's artillery attack.[/QUOTE] An eye for an eye is a horrible way to think. If SK responds more people will die inevitably.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26872221]An eye for an eye is a horrible way to think. If SK responds more people will die inevitably.[/QUOTE] and if NK keeps on course then they might do something even stupider next time

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26872221]An eye for an eye is a horrible way to think.[/QUOTE] I don't... what? Hypothetical time: Mexico destroys a town in the South US with artillery in a clearly unprovoked act of aggression. US response: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!" Yeah, I don't think so. If your country is blatantly attacked by a foreign power, you're gonna fucking hope your government has the balls to stand up to them.

just you watch, once the Americans go away best korea will launch a cunning surprise attack with no consequences

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872238]I don't... what? Hypothetical time: Mexico destroys a town in the South US with artillery in a clearly unprovoked act of aggression. US response: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!" Yeah, I don't think so.[/QUOTE] There are multiple things wrong with your logic: The US is a much larger power, and they spend more in terms of percentage of budget on defense, just like NK compared to SK. Mexico does not have nuclear weapons and has only pledged to use nuclear weapons for peace. The US would make a false flag out of the attack and attack mexico by gaining civilian support. This analogy is more like if SK attacked NK.

It's important to run exercises. To say it's stupid because more civilians will die is unreasonable.. considering how the war would go without such preparation in exercises. If SK stays in it's own country, and it's own waters... It shouldn't matter. If NK attacks them for that.. they deserve whatever they get. This whole "oh so we drew a line in the sandbox and you're having fun on your side of the sand ima ruin it" is stupid. One day the line will be crossed too far.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26872270]There are multiple things wrong with your logic: The US is a much larger power, and they spend more in terms of percentage of budget on defense, just like NK compared to SK. Mexico does not have nuclear weapons and has only pledged to use nuclear weapons for peace. The US would make a false flag out of the attack and attack mexico by gaining civilian support. This analogy is more like if SK attacked NK.[/QUOTE] My point -------------------> your head ------> 0

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872214]SK's government took tons of flak (from their own people) for not responding more aggressively to NK's artillery attack.[/QUOTE] incorrect, because south korean's primary concern is tourism, and such matters are extremely bad for tourism [editline]22nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=JeffAndersen;26872283]It's important to run exercises. To say it's stupid because more civilians will die is unreasonable.. considering how the war would go without such preparation in exercises. If SK stays in it's own country, and it's own waters... It shouldn't matter. If NK attacks them for that.. they deserve whatever they get. This whole "oh so we drew a line in the sandbox and you're having fun on your side of the sand ima ruin it" is stupid. One day the line will be crossed too far.[/QUOTE] north korea doesn't want a war because north korea knows very well that it would be wiped out

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872289]My point -------------------> your head ------> 0[/QUOTE] You just made a horrible analogy and tried to play it off by saying it went over my head. SK should not attack because NK has nuclear weapons and can easily fuck SK quite badly, where as mexico does not have nuclear weapons. NK is also a military state, whereas mexico is not.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26872310]You just made a horrible analogy and tried to play it off by saying it went over my head. SK should not attack because NK has nuclear weapons and can easily fuck SK quite badly, where as mexico does not have nuclear weapons. NK is also a military state, whereas mexico is not.[/QUOTE] First of all: 1. NK does not have nuclear weapons capable of being mounted on missiles 2. NK does not have missiles capable of mounting nuclear warheads 3. SK's military, especially with US aid, is far superior to NKs Second of all: My original point was that pacifism is a fucking awful way to protect your people. [QUOTE=thisispain;26872299]incorrect, because south korean's primary concern is tourism, and such matters are extremely bad for tourism[/QUOTE] Okay, you should go tell the people of SK what they should really be concerned about. Tourism is important! Not that dictatorship next door who decided to train their artillery crews by using your people as targets!

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26871945]ok now SK is just being a dick[/QUOTE] Yea all the South Korean leaders agreed on preparation just so they can be a dick. No. You're not a general, you're not a political leader. That's just a dumb statement from some guy who thinks the situation is just "dick waving" which fp tends to say a lot. The South Korean military can perform exercises to their own digression, they don't have to hold back because they might provoke another attack. North Korea already has shown acts of aggression with out any motive so preparation is key to prevention. [editline]22nd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Sector 7;26872332]First of all: 1. NK does not have nuclear weapons capable of being mounted on missiles 2. NK does not have missiles capable of mounting nuclear warheads 3. SK's military, especially with US aid, is far superior to NKs Second of all: My original point was that pacifism is a fucking awful way to protect your people.[/QUOTE] How the fuck can you say shit like this for certain?

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;26872333]How the fuck can you say shit like this for certain?[/QUOTE] It's not exactly top secret information that NK's military (and the country itself) is in awful shape. Unless their nuclear program has suddenly advanced 20 years ahead of where it was when they did their underground tests, they are not a nuclear power. Even if they were capable of launching a nuke at SK, we'd be more than capable of shooting it down.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872332]First of all: 1. NK does not have nuclear weapons capable of being mounted on missiles 2. NK does not have missiles capable of mounting nuclear warheads 3. SK's military, especially with US aid, is far superior to NKs Second of all: My original point was that pacifism is a fucking awful way to protect your people. [/QUOTE] 1. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_nuclear_weapons_program[/url] 2. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodong-1[/url] 3. It takes time for the US to come, besides all the bureaucratic crap as well. And the US coming to SK might possibly be seen as an act of aggression towards other countries like China. Pacifism is better than attacking anyone who does anything. Shit will just escalate and significantly more people will die. NK just wanted some attention and now they have it. They aren't going to do shit again cause they know they'll get bombed.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;26872332] Okay, you should go tell the people of SK what they should really be concerned about. Tourism is important! Not that dictatorship next door who decided to train their artillery crews by using your people as targets![/QUOTE] look, you can be a smart-arse as much as you want but the simple fact is neither countries stand to gain anything from a war which will most likely end up in a complete fucking disaster that's why i'm perfectly right in my position to say that both governments are acting stupid, and cheering them on will only result in many unnecessary deaths i was not aware starting a war was the best way to protect your people, so let me ask you this question: will many people die if south korea goes to war with north korea?