"They mocked us, they made fun of us": Sanders surrogates recall meeting with smug Clinton staffers - Polidicks

[url]http://www.salon.com/2016/12/20/they-mocked-us-they-made-fun-of-us-bernie-sanders-surrogates-recall-meeting-with-smug-hillary-clinton-staffers/[/url] [B][U]"They mocked us, they made fun of us": Bernie Sanders surrogates recall meeting with smug Hillary Clinton staffers[/U][/B] [I]"We were street activists," one prominent Sanders supporter told The Daily Beast, "and they don't get that"[/I] [QUOTE] The retrospectives on how not to run a campaign keep coming. Early Tuesday morning, [URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/20/team-bernie-hillary-fucking-ignored-us-in-swing-states.html"]The Daily Beast[/URL] published an interview with a couple of former Bernie Sanders surrogates who extended an olive branch to Hillary Clinton’s staff after the primary and were met with, at best, closed ears and, at worst, mockery. [B]Despite "sounding the alarm for months," Nomiki Konst, a progressive activist who served on the 2016 DNC platform committee, said the Clinton campaign "fucking ignored us" in key battleground states - Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin - where President-elect Trump ultimately thrived: "We kept saying to each other like, 'What the fuck, why are they just blowing us off? They need these voters more than anybody.'"[/B] "Once we were at the convention, Bernie people were on the ground - we could feel it, people were pissed off, there with their pitchforks ready to fight,” she added. "But before the convention, after the platform committee meeting that I was on, [B]Bernie surrogates were talking constantly, saying, 'Oh my god, Hillary is going to lose if she doesn’t address TPP and [free] trade and [all these] other issues. We were looking at the polling and thought that if these people stay home, she'll lose.'"[/B] [/QUOTE] The following article is linked to in the other article above: [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/20/team-bernie-hillary-fucking-ignored-us-in-swing-states.html[/url] [B][U]Team Bernie: Hillary 'F*cking Ignored' Us in Swing States[/U][/B] [I]Hindsight is 20/20, but members of Bernie Sanders’s team in critical swing states say they knew Hillary Clinton was going to lose well before Election Day - and their warnings were ignored.[/I] [QUOTE] "We were painting them a dire picture, and I couldn’t help but think they literally looked like they had no idea what was going on here," she continued. [B]"I remember their faces, it was like they had never fucking heard this stuff before. It's what we had been screaming for the past 9 months… It's like [they] forgot the basics of Politics 101."[/B] As the days and weeks flew by, the Bernie delegation kept underscoring TPP, jobs, union allies, the youth vote, and the environment, and pitched multiple rallies with Sanders in states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan (a state where Sanders unexpectedly beat Clinton in the Democratic primary, and a state that Clinton actively neglected during the general). [...] [B]"We not only screamed about this, we wrote memos, we begged," Jane Kleeb, Nebraska Democratic Party chair and another Sanders booster who was at the DNC meeting[/B], said. "I spent a good chunk of time writing memos about how [Bernie's surrogates] could be utilized on the campaign trail, about 'issue voters,' about the environment, Black Lives Matter, Dakota Access Pipeline, rogue cops, you name it… I was [also] talking specifically about rural communities, and how [Hillary] completely ignored and abandoned anything that we cared about." [/QUOTE] (Just for the record - I voted Hillary; I am not posting this in a pro-Trump context)

Clinton is a moron. Perhaps the most moronic presidental candidate ever. Bar Trump, of course. Honestly at this point I see people literally burning effigies of both Trump and Clinton in the future.

I hope no one akin to Clinton runs in 2020, and that no one akin to her, Trump, or the GOP line up is in the 2024 election. Clinton shouldn't have run after her 2008 attempt, but did and caused the GOP to take over for 2 to 4 years.

We need some new blood Chelsea Clinton steps to the task!

Hillary is such a smug dipshit to an obnoxiously high magnitude. The silver lining of a Trump presidency is that this she was denied the title of first woman president, and that someone far more deserving will actually get that title. Fuck Hillary Clinton.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51564716]Hillary is such a smug dipshit to an obnoxiously high magnitude. The silver lining of a Trump presidency is that this she was denied the title of first woman president, and that someone far more deserving will actually get that title. Fuck Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] This year has been a bitter pill to swallow for Americans. Many don't even realise what the fuck has just happened. One only hopes the good ones come out alright in the end.

The arrogance of their campaign was so baffling to me. Usually asshole politicians have the sense to at least pretend to take an opponent's supporters seriously. The Clinton campaign was completely fine with mocking, mis-representing, and ignoring members of their own party because they already felt like they won the presidency. Thanks a whole lot for giving us Manchild as president who's backed by the backwards GOP in a time where Climate Change is reaching the point of no return. To this day they still smugly believe they did nothing wrong and are still trying to sabotage the efforts to reform their own party. Fucking cunts.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51564716]Hillary is such a smug dipshit to an obnoxiously high magnitude. The silver lining of a Trump presidency is that this she was denied the title of first woman president, and that someone far more deserving will actually get that title. Fuck Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] Don't you mean "fuck the DNC" for thinking Hillary actually could ride on her husbands fame with low effort and thus threw Sanders by the wayside? At-least Bernie put some legit amount of effort into it...

[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51564753]Thanks a whole lot for giving us Manchild as president who's backed by the backwards GOP in a time where Climate Change is reaching the point of no return. To this day they still smugly believe they did nothing wrong and are still trying to sabotage the efforts to reform their own party.[/QUOTE] Reminds me of another article I previous posted here to SH: [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215[/url] [QUOTE] On a call with surrogates Thursday afternoon, top advisers John Podesta and Jennifer Palmieri pinned blame for Hillary Clinton’s loss on a host of uncontrollable headwinds that ultimately felled a well-run campaign that executed a sensible strategy, and a soldier of a candidate who appealed to the broadest coalition of voters in the country. They shot down questions about whether they should have run a more populist campaign with a greater appeal to angry white voters, pointing to exit polls that showed Clinton beat Trump on the issue of the economy. They explained that internal polling from May showed that attacking Trump on the issue of temperament was a more effective message. [B]They offered no apology for the unexpected loss.[/B] [...] The soaring Obamacare premiums announced last month hurt Clinton, some said; others questioned the campaign’s decision to try and expand the map into red Arizona rather than simply defend the most likely, narrow paths to 270 electoral votes; [U][I][B]others blamed Bernie Sanders for “poisoning” millennial voters who never came back on board.[/B][/I][/U] [/QUOTE] I strongly fucking doubt that those smug asshats have even one minuscule iota of self awareness. EDIT: I also found this: [B]"Clinton staffers were so sure she would win they reportedly popped champagne on Election Day":[/B] [url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-staffers-were-sure-she-043635987.html[/url] [B]"Clinton cancels election night fireworks show" (This happened days before the actual Election Day):[/B] [url]http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/304718-clinton-cancels-election-night-fireworks-show[/url]

The campaign was in shambles before it began, and quickly devolved into petty personal attacks. Unfortunately, that meant actual important politics, such as net neutrality (the weakening of which will cause far more damage to the US than any immigrant ever will), environmental concerns (we're approaching/has passed the point of no return for serious damages, and the displacement of a number of people which will make the Syrian refugee crisis look like a pleasant weekend-trip to the next town over) were forgotten, and here we are. Although I have to say I'm impressed with Hillary that she wasn't found swinging from her ceiling-fan the next day.

[QUOTE=Van-man;51564758]Don't you mean "fuck the DNC" for thinking Hillary actually could ride on her husbands fame with low effort and thus threw Sanders by the wayside? At-least Bernie put some legit amount of effort into it...[/QUOTE] Fuck both of them. The DNC for colluding with Clinton and doing their goddamndest to cram her down everyone's throat, and fuck Clinton and her whole campaign for being such an arrogant batch of fuckwits who couldn't even be bothered to campaign because they were so smugly certain that the election was in the bag

Warren 2020, because hindsight is a bitch.

As much as people like to blame SJWs for Trump winning, the biggest fuck ups are all on the Democrats. Like, the actual party leadership and politicians. They picked a candidate nobody liked and barely tried, they shoved the actual best candidate to the side while they smugly awaited their crown. And look at that, it ruined their image and killed them in the end. And I wonder if they'll even bother to learn anything from it. Probably not. It's like two guys decided to duel, but the first guy doesn't even bother to show up because he's so sure he'd win anyway so he stays home drinking hot chocolate until the second guy shows up to his house and shoots him in the chest.

One of the largest, strongest nation in the world of all people they chose those two as candidates of whole country those two were the best they've got

Clinton handled her 2016 campaign the same way she handled healthcare reform in the early 90s. Elite-driven, closed-door affairs that those outside her inner circle weren't party to. Just like Trump, she would've made a lousy president.

Fuck the DNC. Dont get me wrong, I still place all of the blame for our current situation on Trump, his cronies, and the people that voted for him (I'll never buy into anyones "THIS IS WHY TRUMP WON" nonsense), but man the DNC really threw the election so hard that its hard not to be incredibly frustrated with them.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51564728]This year has been a bitter pill to swallow for Americans. Many don't even realise what the fuck has just happened. One only hopes the good ones come out alright in the end.[/QUOTE] It was a very bitter pill, but one that was prescribed to the people that were delusional enough to completely ignore entire segments of the country and think Hillary had this one in the bag. That woman's entire campaign is a hallmark of what happens when you build your entire campaign for very specific parts of the country (the Coasts) and completely ignore the oft-mocked "Flyover" states. I mean, that should be the biggest thing we should take out of this; Hillary ran a well-oiled, billion-dollar advertising campaign against a guy whose main campaign commercial was as "generic 2004" as you could get... And she lost, [I][B]hard.[/B][/I] Clearly, it's not a matter of the exposure, but the message she was sending to people, and that message was [I][B]wrong.[/B][/I]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51564707]We need some new blood Chelsea Clinton steps to the task![/QUOTE] you joke but these people would actually try to do this in 2020

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51564836] I mean, that should be the biggest thing we should take out of this; Hillary ran a well-oiled, billion-dollar advertising campaign against a guy whose main campaign commercial was as "generic 2004" as you could get... And she lost, [I][B]hard.[/B][/I] Clearly, it's not a matter of the exposure, but the message she was sending to people, and that message was [I][B]wrong.[/B][/I][/QUOTE] Hell, let's rephrase that from a different perspective - she ran against a fucking reality TV star with no political experience that had only just recently been revealed to have sexually assaulted people, and she [B][I]still[/I][/B] fucking lost. Jesus Christ, how do people even get that incompetent, like [I]God Damn[/I]

in future maybe dems could try pushing a candidate who wasn't UNDER FEDERAL FUCKING INVESTIGATION [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] I was afraid of EXACTLY THIS happening way back when bernie lost the primaries, honestly I was about as disheartened when bernie lost it as I was when trump actually won

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51564836]It was a very bitter pill, but one that was prescribed to the people that were delusional enough to completely ignore entire segments of the country and think Hillary had this one in the bag. That woman's entire campaign is a hallmark of what happens when you build your entire campaign for very specific parts of the country (the Coasts) and completely ignore the oft-mocked "Flyover" states. I mean, that should be the biggest thing we should take out of this; Hillary ran a well-oiled, billion-dollar advertising campaign against a guy whose main campaign commercial was as "generic 2004" as you could get... And she lost, [I][B]hard.[/B][/I] Clearly, it's not a matter of the exposure, but the message she was sending to people, and that message was [I][B]wrong.[/B][/I][/QUOTE] It's not even that she lost "hard". She won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. She campaigned horribly and ignored crucial states, sure, but the horribly outdated and worthless winner takes all system our electoral college runs on definitely didnt help.

I don't think Clinton is a moron but her campaign from the sounds of it was utterly moronic.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51564897]I don't think Clinton is a moron but her campaign from the sounds of it was utterly moronic.[/QUOTE] She had power though. And bill even tried to warn her multiple times

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51564891]It's not even that she lost "hard". She won the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. She campaigned horribly and ignored crucial states, sure, but the horribly outdated and worthless winner takes all system our electoral college runs on definitely didnt help.[/QUOTE] And therein lies the problem, that Hillary's campaign message just didn't [I]work[/I] on people from those crucial states, so maybe in four years the next Democratic candidate will have a message that appeals to the demographics of those areas, eh?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51564897]I don't think Clinton is a moron but her campaign from the sounds of it was utterly moronic.[/QUOTE] This is how I feel about it too. I dont think she would've been the worst candidate ever, and her platforms and policies (even if they mirrored the DNC most of the time) were pretty solid and I would've been happy with them. But people were just so tired of the establishment, big business, traditional politics, and "the swamp" that they would take literally anyone over her, even a gold-plated hairpiece. The DNC failed to recognize that and pushed a candidate that was doomed from the start. I was 12 in 2008 and even I remember how poorly perceived and unelectable she was, even then.

She'd have kept us along the path of vulnerability to radical populists like Donald Trump as her status quo economic policies leave the common man feeling more and more left out and exploited. If it weren't for her social policies and how fragile LGBT rights still are I wouldn't have voted.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51564797]Warren 2020, because hindsight is a bitch.[/QUOTE] I think she at this moment would be an okay vp, she needs to shine in the next fours years for non partisans to really love her like Sanders. Also this is flagged by fake news on social media for going against the narrative. (joking)

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;51564921]And therein lies the problem, that Hillary's campaign message just didn't [I]work[/I] on people from those crucial states, so maybe in four years the next Democratic candidate will have a message that appeals to the demographics of those areas, eh?[/QUOTE] I dont see why we cant do both. Reform the DNC and give candidates an equal shot at the nomination from the get-go while also reforming our horrendous electoral college.

What really gets me is, why did she collude with the DNC if she wasn't willing to follow up with the effort and put her nose to the grindstone? If you are going to try to resort to DNC Collusion, astroturfing via CTR, etc, can't you at least put in that same amount of effort into, [I]oh, I don't fuckin' know,[/I] taking the goddamned election seriously after the primaries?

Well the DNC is a private organization, so that collusion wasn't really illegal and is much easier to accomplish.