ND Pipeline Camp being evicted over Winter Safety Concerns - Polidicks

[quote] The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers notified the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe on Friday that the public will not be allowed in areas being used to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline. In a letter to the tribe, John W. Henderson, a district commander with the Corps, said that the area will be closed by Dec. 5. Anyone found to be on "Corps-managed land" north of the Cannonball River after that date will be considered trespassing and subject to prosecution: [quote] "I am closing the portion of the Corps-managed federal property north of the Cannonball River to all public use and access effective December 5, 2016. This decision is necessary to protect the general public from the violent confrontations between protestors and law enforcement officials that have occurred in this area, and to prevent death, illness, or serious injury to inhabitants of encampments due to the harsh North Dakota winter conditions." [/quote] Standing Rock Sioux Tribe's chairman, Dave Archambault II, [URL="http://standwithstandingrock.net/army-corp-closes-public-access-oceti-sakowin-camp-dec-5th/"]released a statement[/URL] saying that the tribe is deeply disappointed by the move but it has not changed their resolve to prevent the pipeline from being built north of reservation lands. [quote]"It is both unfortunate and ironic that this announcement comes the day after this country celebrates Thanksgiving – a historic exchange of goodwill between Native Americans and the first immigrants from Europe. Although the news is saddening, it is not at all surprising given the last 500 years of the treatment of our people. We have suffered much, but we still have hope that the President will act on his commitment to close the chapter of broken promises to our people and especially our children."[/quote] [/quote] [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/25/503379401/army-corps-of-engineers-tells-pipeline-protesters-to-leave-camp-by-dec-5"]NPR[/URL] This has been a concern at their camp for sometime, and I believe just two days ago they told every women and child at the camp to leave to safer areas in the Standing Rock Reservation, in order to not get ill or hurt by the cold. We will also be having a really big cold front in that area which is supposedly going to be producing snow and cold temperatures for the entire week. It's believed that the temps will drop to about 15F(-9c), and it has been deemed unsafe for everyone in general.

I highly doubt this is over concerns for their safety. They didn't seem too concerned about using water cannons in cold weather.

Lol, I'm sure it's because they care

That's the way to do it: feign concern over the well-being of the people who are against you so you have an excuse to get rid of them all in the name of "caring". Hope they don't go quietly, especially since veterans started showing up to the site to help the protestors.

Wouldn't the Army Corp of Engineers be separate from the evil cops and guardsmen currently on site too? [I]maybe it actually is for their safety[/I]

Real Life example of concern trolling

[QUOTE=Levithan;51429117]Real Life example of concern trolling[/QUOTE] It's North Dakota. A state that get's really fucking cold, as well as getting a really nasty wind chill. You'd rather have the Corp ignore the weather and let the people freeze to death? I mean, they're easier to deal with when they're dead. Honestly, there is no pleasing some of you.

No one should be allowed outside in North Dakota winters.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51429103]Dude this is America, land of the lawsuit. Telling them "btw it's going to be fucking cold, you should leave" is pretty much the only way they're going to protect themselves from some idiot going and losing 3 toes and then crying that the government didn't do anything to keep him from loosing those 3 toes.[/QUOTE] The natives know it gets cold up there. And that's an understatement, speaking as someone who knew some people who did pipelining in the Dakotas. The veterans headed up there likely aren't stupid about this either. In other words, people know it's going to be a miserable winter; if they're still up there, then they're staying out of honest belief. That's their business. But this is nothing but bullshit concernancy to try and force them to disperse. If they break the protestors up (even for a little while), then the pipeline can go ahead without major interference. People will forget about what happened, and that will be the end of the matter. That's the political sphere's hope. [editline]26th November 2016[/editline] Also, as Mr. Someguy pointed out: [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51429023]I highly doubt this is over concerns for their safety. They didn't seem too concerned about using water cannons in cold weather.[/QUOTE] It's horseshit. Stop saying they care-- they don't.

Regardless of whether or not the government cares I do hope the protesters stay safe. I can hardly stand the temperature going below 30, I can only imagine the freezing hell those protesters are going to have to suffer through to keep their cause going. It does show that they're dedicated if anything.

[QUOTE=Govna;51429158]The natives know it gets cold up there. And that's an understatement, speaking as someone who knew some people who did pipelining in the Dakotas. The veterans headed up there likely aren't stupid about this either. In other words, people know it's going to be a miserable winter; if they're still up there, then they're staying out of honest belief. That's their business. But this is nothing but bullshit concernancy to try and force them to disperse. If they break the protestors up (even for a little while), then the pipeline can go ahead without major interference. People will forget about what happened, and that will be the end of the matter. That's the political sphere's hope.[/QUOTE] What? A lot of the protestors aren't even from North Dakota. How could they possibly know how bad winter is in North Dakota? Not to mention the only thing the Army Corps are saying is that they need to move the camp off land the Army Corps is legally responsible for. Because, as was already said, there would be good reason for a lawsuit when someone starts losing limbs in the dire cold. The camp is just being moved, probably only a few miles south. That's it. They are still free to protest to their hearts content. There is no reason to believe that this will significantly hamper the protest. Stop being so dramatic.

I still tend to think the reasoning behind these protests is pretty stupid, but it's hilarious how much coverage it gets on SH compared to any other topic on a given day. if the pipeline company had routed it across the river even 25 miles upstream there wouldn't even be an issue right now, despite it crossing the same body of water that goes by the exact same reservation and being in more or less the same ecosystem with the same climate and same environmental hazards, and same (tiny) risks.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51429023]I highly doubt this is over concerns for their safety. They didn't seem too concerned about using water cannons in cold weather.[/QUOTE] Core of Engineers is evicting them, not the police. [editline]26th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;51429076]That's the way to do it: feign concern over the well-being of the people who are against you so you have an excuse to get rid of them all in the name of "caring". Hope they don't go quietly, especially since veterans started showing up to the site to help the protestors.[/QUOTE] You can paint it up however you want to dood, but the bottom line is is that people can't be outside for extended periods in the ND winter. In December and January, it gets into the negatives with 50mph winds and insane wind chills. It's not safe for people to be out in tents without heat or electricity. People [i]will[/i] die in that camp if the core does not remove them.

We should start some type of fundraiser to get them warmer clothing. Or is there already one of these?

[QUOTE=Megadave;51430010]We should start some type of fundraiser to get them warmer clothing. Or is there already one of these?[/QUOTE] Probably plenty of donations provided directly, at least on a local level.

[QUOTE=Megadave;51430010]We should start some type of fundraiser to get them warmer clothing. Or is there already one of these?[/QUOTE] Doesn't work like that. You [i]can not[/i] stay outside for extended periods of time during the ND winter or you [i]will[/i] die. It doesn't matter if you've got a $500 coat with a built in electric heater, you need shelter and you need a heat source. The protesters can not build a permanent structure on the land they're on, so they would be forced to survive the winter in tents, and if they do that they will be maimed by frostbite or quite possibly die.

Seriously guys, staying out in NoDak winters is suicidal, theirs a reason why people here do not use normal ice fishing tents, and opt for trailers.

I live about 500 miles north of where this is taking place. People work all day in -20c. Snowmobile too. It's all about how you dress and you have to dress extremely well. Layers upon layers and next to no exposed skin.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51431666]I live about 500 miles north of where this is taking place. People work all day in -20c. Snowmobile too. It's all about how you dress and you have to dress extremely well. Layers upon layers and next to no exposed skin.[/QUOTE] Working and producing heat in -20 nbd, sitting and standing around in -20 on the other hand

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51431666]I live about 500 miles north of where this is taking place. People work all day in -20c. Snowmobile too. It's all about how you dress and you have to dress extremely well. Layers upon layers and next to no exposed skin.[/QUOTE] And then after your 3 or 6 hours of snow skiing/snowmobiling, you go inside your home and sit in front of your fire or bask in the heat of your homes built in heat system. If you're working outside all day, then you have the chance to go inside occasionally and warm up or sit in your vehicle and warm up. Imagine being outside all day and then being stuck outside all night when it gets even colder. I work outside for the most part all over NoDak and Montana, and I can say with certainty that you do not want to stay outside for more than few hours when the wind is whipping with a -40 windchill.

They probably shouldn't have blasted them with fire hoses if they were so concerned about the cold.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51429103]Dude this is America, land of the lawsuit. Telling them "btw it's going to be fucking cold, you should leave" is pretty much the only way they're going to protect themselves from some idiot going and losing 3 toes and then crying that the government didn't do anything to keep him from loosing those 3 toes.[/QUOTE] someones already going to loose an arm from the water cannons. that said the camp is nowhere near inhabitable at the temperature theyre forcasting

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51432696]They probably shouldn't have blasted them with fire hoses if they were so concerned about the cold.[/QUOTE] Completely different groups of people (which you would know if you had any understanding/read the article) but great zinger haha!

[QUOTE=OvB;51429154]No one should be allowed outside in North Dakota winters.[/QUOTE] My cousin was based in Minot when he was in the air force. They weren't allowed outside during the worst of the weather

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51432791]Completely different groups of people (which you would know if you had any understanding/read the article) but great zinger haha![/QUOTE] Also weren't they attempting to put out car fires that the protesters started? And then the protesters thought it would be a good idea to start throwing shit at them?

[QUOTE=DuCT;51432816]Also weren't they attempting to put out car fires that the protesters started? And then the protesters thought it would be a good idea to start throwing shit at them?[/QUOTE] The National lawyers guild has nonviolent observers that recount what really occurred. Please educate yourself [editline]26th November 2016[/editline] For the lazy or trusting: They mixed the water with mace and wouldn't put out the fires that they started. The protesters had to put them out. Fires farther away were used to resuscitate people given hypothermia by cannons

[quote]National Lawyers Guild (NLG), strongly condemns the flagrant civil and human rights violations committed by Morton County law enforcement last night against unarmed Standing Rock Water Protectors. The standoff lasted more than five hours in freezing temperatures (26-degrees Fahrenheit), during which police deployed water cannons, rubber bullets, Long Range Acoustic Devices (LRADs), teargas, and flash-bang grenades against Water Protectors and members of the press.[/quote] None of those are flagrant civil or human rights violations. [URL="https://www.nlg.org/police-attack-unarmed-standing-rock-water-protectors-in-freezing-temperatures-with-water-cannons-other-weapons-in-5-hour-standoff/"]The article[/URL] they have states nothing about who started the fires at all, actually. The only thing I got from the article is that there are some seriously stupid protestors out there who brought children with. Corps is taking the proper stance here.

The entire confrontation began because protesters were trying to move a blockade used to deny protesters access to emergency services. Nice to see you dropped the pretenses of being concerned about the fires. Those were means used on nonviolent protesters You seem like you could defend anything. Do you really want to live in a country where this level of violence is used against members of the press and people expressing their political beliefs? You're a cop right? What about the use of force continuum? Do you have any legitimate values or will you defend police at any price?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51432696]They probably shouldn't have blasted them with fire hoses if they were so concerned about the cold.[/QUOTE] Army Core of Engineers is the group that owns the land the protesters are occupying, the police are the ones making sure they stay calm and quit burning shit to the ground. 2 completely different groups. If you read 2 sentences into the article you would have understood that.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51432945]Army Core of Engineers is the group that owns the land the protesters are occupying, the police are the ones making sure they stay calm and quit burning shit to the ground. 2 completely different groups. If you read 2 sentences into the article you would have understood that.[/QUOTE] If you weren't completely delusional you would realize this level of violence isn't to keep them "calm"