Catalonia pushes ahead with referendum plans despite Spain's attempts to block the vote. - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VNM2lTd.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=Reuters]The leader of Catalonia has set up a panel to supervise a contested independence referendum next month, defying Spain's central government which has gone to the courts to block the vote.The president of the wealthy north-east region, Artur Mas, appointed a seven-strong committee to oversee the ballot on Thursday evening, the local government said in a statement. It was the first official move to prepare for the planned November 9 vote on separation from Spain since the Constitutional Court agreed on Monday to review the legality of the referendum -- a decision that effectively suspended the ballot.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/uk-spain-catalonia-idUKKCN0HS0ZJ20141003"]Source[/URL].

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Aragon will rise again!

Spain, pls don't have another civil war - your neighbor

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46144672]Spain, pls don't have another civil war - your neighbor[/QUOTE] I'd be rather shocked if a civil war erupted in a European country, especially in one of the more industrialized areas of Western Europe.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46144672]Spain, pls don't have another civil war - your neighbor[/QUOTE] In other news, Russia has started to assist the Pro-Catalonia forces with military assets and advisers for tanks, jets, and other military equipment. Word has spread that Leopard 2's are also appearing in the Pro-Spaniard forces.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;46144732]I'd be rather shocked if a civil war erupted in a European country, especially in one of the more industrialized areas of Western Europe.[/QUOTE] Eh if there's anyone that has the right powder keg for a civil war its Spain, though I don't think it'll be an armed one though maybe more IRA and less peoples republic of eastern ukraine

Can't blame them for not wanting to go down with the sinking ship. It's too bad for Spain that the ship will sink twice as fast without them.

what is so imported about this part of Spain.?

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;46146015]what is so imported about this part of Spain.?[/QUOTE] Before Spain became a united country, it was several different countries that carried different languages and cultures. These differences still exist to this very day. In order to give you an idea how split some of these cultures are in Spain.. Have a map: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Spain_languages.PNG[/IMG] So lets start explaining what is what, and what dick is touching what... Red is Spanish Pink is Catalan/Valencian Dark Blue'ish Green is Basque Yellow be Galician Light Green is Aranese Dark Green is Asturian Purple is Aragonese Darkest Green is Extremaduran And that little spec of Brown to the left is Fala Now... All these languages and cultures literally have blood feuds and grudges that date back to the Bronze Age, and they really are not going to die down any time soon. The same type of shit is happening in Italy.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46146203]Now... All these languages and cultures literally have blood feuds and grudges that date back to the Bronze Age, and they really are not going to die down any time soon. The same type of shit is happening in Italy.[/QUOTE] Too bad. Maybe Europe should try giving up on racial divisions for once in its history.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46146218]Too bad. Maybe Europe should try giving up on racial divisions for once in its history.[/QUOTE] Haha, good luck with that. The Catalans have been fighting wars for independence since the BCs.

Europeans think its okay to separate people based on ethnicity/language. And they think Americans are racist lol.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146309]Europeans think its okay to separate people based on ethnicity/language. And they think Americans are racist lol.[/QUOTE] Generalizing probably isn't the greatest idea. :v:

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46146203]Before Spain became a united country, it was several different countries that carried different languages and cultures.[/QUOTE] Who gives a fuck? Lol And don't even get started on "cultures". I guarantee you the difference between mainstream Spanish culture and Catalonian culture is nothing compared to the difference between mainstream American culture and Eastern/Midwestern/Southern/Eastern/Ohshitweallhavedifferentculturesandwedon'tgiveafuck. Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state. It doesn't mean shit. [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46146203]Now... All these languages and cultures literally have blood feuds and grudges that date back to the Bronze Age, and they really are not going to die down any time soon.[/QUOTE] Well, at least that's one thing America can brag about. We don't have retarded bullshit like this. We're all Americans and we love each other for it.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146454]Who gives a fuck? Lol And don't even get started on "cultures". I guarantee you the difference between mainstream Spanish culture and Catalonian culture is nothing compared to the difference between mainstream American culture and Eastern/Midwestern/Southern/Eastern/Ohshitweallhavedifferentculturesandwedon'tgiveafuck. Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state. It doesn't mean shit. [/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ. I can tell someone has never left the states. Edit: Sorry, that was unreasonably harsh.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146309]Europeans think its okay to separate people based on ethnicity/language. And they think Americans are racist lol.[/QUOTE] Racism, what? What does an ethnicity wanting independence have to do with racism? Were the people in the Balkans also racist for splitting up Jugoslavia?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46145820]In other news, Russia has started to assist the Pro-Catalonia forces with military assets and advisers for tanks, jets, and other military equipment. Word has spread that Leopard 2's are also appearing in the Pro-Spaniard forces.[/QUOTE] Russian intervention justified by Putin as him having heard from someone's mate down the pub who knew for definite that someone in Catalonia might have probably said 'nyet' in their lifetime.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;46146474]Jesus fucking christ. I can tell someone has never left the states.[/QUOTE] I would love to debate you, but you've failed to present an argument, so I don't know what to do... Should I just insult you instead? I think I'd be pretty good at that considering you gave me an example. [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46146477]Racism, what? What does an ethnicity wanting independence have to do with racism? Were the people in the Balkans also racist for splitting up Jugoslavia?[/QUOTE] Because who cares what ethnicity you are? Seriously, why should a Croat give a flying fuck if their neighbor is a Serb?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146454]Who gives a fuck? Lol And don't even get started on "cultures". I guarantee you the difference between mainstream Spanish culture and Catalonian culture is nothing compared to the difference between mainstream American culture and Eastern/Midwestern/Southern/Eastern/Ohshitweallhavedifferentculturesandwedon'tgiveafuck. Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state. It doesn't mean shit.[/quote] This is literally [B]the[/B] most ignorant thing I have ever heard on the entire internet in my entire life, and that's really, REALLY saying something. Congratulations, you are a potato. [quote] Well, at least that's one thing America can brag about. We don't have retarded bullshit like this. We're all Americans and we love each other for it.[/QUOTE] Ahahaha what utter bollocks. You're saying this when parts of most Southern states have been rattling sabers about secession for the past 18 months or so. Not only that, but are you even capable of looking out of your window, or does all your knowledge of the US come from movies? Because I'm pretty sure there's as many intra-state tensions as there are intra-european tensions. Why don't you read a fucking book sometime? [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146485]I would love to debate you, but you've failed to present an argument, so I don't know what to do... Should I just insult you instead? I think I'd be pretty good at that considering you gave me an example.[/quote] Christ, you're an unlikeable person, aren't you? Who and what makes you capable of dismissing judgements like this? Are you aware of the blind high-horse you're riding right now? [quote] [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] Because who cares what ethnicity you are? Seriously, why should a Croat give a flying fuck if their neighbor is a Serb?[/QUOTE] Considering how you're directly insulting every European ethnicity I think you've made a staggeringly hypocritical statement here. Your argument is that "oh, but America is pure and Europe is just petty!" lol, have you ever heard of a country called Cuba? No country is absolved of pettiness. Again, read a fucking book or at least educate yourself on subjects you obviously have [B]no fucking idea[/B] about.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46146492]Christ, you're an unlikeable person, aren't you? Who and what makes you capable of dismissing judgements like this? Are you aware of the blind high-horse you're riding right now? Considering how you're directly insulting every European ethnicity I think you've made a staggeringly hypocritical statement here. Your argument is that "oh, but America is pure and Europe is just petty!" lol, have you ever heard of a country called Cuba? No country is absolved of pettiness. Again, read a fucking book or at least educate yourself on subjects you obviously have [B]no fucking idea[/B] about.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry. Maybe I'm the biggest idiot around. But I fail to see how anything you just typed refutes my argument in any way. In fact, when you mentioned Cuba I actually think you reinforced my argument (that a multi-ethnic society is just fine). Why would I insult European ethnicity? I'm from European decent. Even if I was insulting every European ethnicity, you still wouldn't be presenting any discernible argument.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146512]I'm sorry. Maybe I'm the biggest idiot around. But I fail to see how anything you just typed refutes my argument in any way. In fact, when you mentioned Cuba I actually think you reinforced my argument (that a multi-ethnic society is just fine). Why would I insult European ethnicity? I'm from European decent. Even if I was insulting every European ethnicity, you still wouldn't be presenting any discernible argument.[/QUOTE] Great counter-argument, there. "You have no argument! Therefore I win!". Maybe you should grow up instead of making sweeping statements that contribute nothing and only serve to be provocative and hateful, then shooting down anyone who disagrees with you like a child putting up his everything-proof shield.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46146477]Racism, what? What does an ethnicity wanting independence have to do with racism? Were the people in the Balkans also racist for splitting up Jugoslavia?[/QUOTE] Uhhhh yes? Do you have any idea what happened there and why? The entire existence of the post-Yugoslavian countries is based on racial differences.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46146546]Great counter-argument, there. "You have no argument! Therefore I win!". Maybe you should grow up instead of making sweeping statements that contribute nothing and only serve to be provocative and hateful, then shooting down anyone who disagrees with you like a child putting up his everything-proof shield.[/QUOTE] I never claimed to win. In fact, my claim did not win at all. I would rather have a real debate, and lose, than have a fake debate and win. I actually don't know what your argument was. I still don't know what your argument is. I'm willing to put aside all differences, prejudices, and anything else that would be holding us back, just so we could have a good debate. I wish we could speak in person because its much easier that way, but this will have to do.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46146546]Great counter-argument, there. "You have no argument! Therefore I win!". Maybe you should grow up instead of making sweeping statements that contribute nothing and only serve to be provocative and hateful, then shooting down anyone who disagrees with you like a child putting up his everything-proof shield.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should actually explain your views and lay out an argument rather than just insulting him

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46146492]Because I'm pretty sure there's as many intra-state tensions as there are intra-european tensions.[/QUOTE] You're pretty wrong.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;46146492]Because I'm pretty sure there's as many intra-state tensions as there are intra-european tensions.[/QUOTE] Finally, something I can argue against... You're wrong. Soooooo sooo wrong. We all make fun of each other for our accents, our mildly different foods, but we all love each other and we all know we are Americans. As a unique case, even our Hispanic immigrants (as a general stereotype) love our culture and food.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146570]I never claimed to win. In fact, my claim did not win at all. I would rather have a real debate, and lose, than have a fake debate and win. I actually don't know what your argument was.[/quote] There is genuinely no room for debate despite your false cries of wanting a democratic discourse (which, as you've proven with your overly belligerent behavior (which i've returned in kind) you don't actually want) because what you said in your original post was so patently stupid and downright [B]false[/B] that your entire argument is completely and totally null. Allow me to return to your original post and deconstruct it. I'm not going to engage in a massive discourse or debate with you here because I don't want to be dragged into several pages of bollocks, so I'll make a single post that goes through your post in detail and explains why I think it is stupid, and I'll leave it at that. If I look like the fool afterward because you deconstructed my points, then so be it,. I value too much weight in words, I guess. [quote]Who gives a fuck? Lol[/quote] Considering the fact this has reached a referendum vote, I would say a lot of people. Just because [B]you[/B] and nobody you know cares, that doesn't mean that other people don't. Your comment here is completely pointless and it reeks of you just wanting to try and seem cool. 'Who cares' is a patently hollow comment in itself because if nobody cares about the subject, then for god's sake who cares that [B]you[/B] don't care? For it to be a subject in the first place, then generally people have to care about it for it to become a known and heard subject. Why would you come in this thread and make this comment? Just don't read it, or, if you're so inclined, rate it dumb and continue on. To voice your lack of care not only paints you as bad, but it also opens you to the exact same kind of criticism I'm going through here. Think. If you don't like it, don't read it. [quote]And don't even get started on "cultures". I guarantee you the difference between mainstream Spanish culture and Catalonian culture is nothing compared to the difference between mainstream American culture and Eastern/Midwestern/Southern/Eastern/Ohshitweallhavedifferentculturesandwedon'tgiveafuc k.[/quote] Once again, it evidently is. And why does this matter? Why does America come in as a point of reference and contrast? This is just jingoistic and has no purpose to be a point. You're just dredging up your country because you're proud of it. You're entitled to be as much of a jingoist and nationalist as you want but [B]this?[/B] This isn't cool. You're completely striking off a culture that has existed for untold centuries (even before America, infact) just because you don't think it compares in comparison to your country. It smacks of myopia and a lack of awareness about the issue you're slating. It's such a misinformed and misinforming argument that I'd say it's downright dangerous to do. Not only that, but it's childish. Like, c'mon. Catalonia [B]is[/B] evidently much different to Spain. Especially if its people have managed to push a referendum for independence through. Like, put some thought into it. And just before the counter-argument comes: No. I don't hate the US and I don't intend to slate it frequently despite my posts that seem that way, it's just pure coincidence that most of the nationalistic posters I take issue with tend to be American. America isn't alone in its nationalist behavior, it's just coincidence that I take issue with Americans more than any. I'm not immune to the same criticism either. [quote]Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state. It doesn't mean shit.[/quote] You're somewhat correct, but if the people have made enough of an uproar to cause a referendum to be held then I'd say that [B]yes,[/B] they are allowed to vote whether or not they should become their own state. Who are you to say no to that? You have no conception of the issue at hand (judging by the fact your post has absolutely no understanding or real thought put into the issue) and you obviously don't want to know much about it, because otherwise (with the flood of information on the Internet at your fingertips) you'd have educated yourself about this or applied some critical thought. Instead, you've made a misinformed and hollow post that sums up and does nothing other than spread needless negativity. Also, I like how you say this: 'Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state' right after saying that Catalonia [B]isn't[/B] different from Spain. Self-defeating recursion. [quote]Well, at least that's one thing America can brag about. We don't have retarded bullshit like this. We're all Americans and we love each other for it. [/quote] Once again, this is utter bollocks. The United States' Congress alone is consistently in a game of tug-o-war with itself. Why in the name of god would you ever think that the US is entirely cooperative? I'm pretty certain there's intrastate grudges that are worse than Spain and Catalonia's current grudge. As I said earlier, the South has a known distaste for the North and plenty of Southern states have expressed at least a mild degree of wish to be independent in the past 18 months. Once again your statement is just plain-out false and misinformed and borne out of nothing more than bald nationalism rather than any actual fact. To sum it up, your original post is just flat-out ignorant, rude, misinformed, and arrogant. And that's why I gave you a box.

The extent of "intra-state tensions" is making fun of people from Wisconsin because they like cheese. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what states are in the US if you think there's any real cultural differences.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46146454]Who gives a fuck? Lol And don't even get started on "cultures". I guarantee you the difference between mainstream Spanish culture and Catalonian culture is nothing compared to the difference between mainstream American culture and Eastern/Midwestern/Southern/Eastern/Ohshitweallhavedifferentculturesandwedon'tgiveafuck. Just because "muh language/culture" is different doesn't mean you're entitled to become your own state. It doesn't mean shit. [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] Well, at least that's one thing America can brag about. We don't have retarded bullshit like this. We're all Americans and we love each other for it.[/QUOTE] I just want to make a statement on this. [B]Look at the ratings[/B]. I just want to bring to attention this difference in the European-American zeitgeist. I'm not making a point, I'm basically just taking data here. (I'm kinda making a point though)