• Osborne To Cut Welfare Budget By Extra £10bn Confirmed No Tax Increase For Rich
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[QUOTE]Chancellor George Osborne has vowed to slash another £10bn from the benefits budget as he insisted he would "finish the job" of rebuilding the economy. The Chancellor, speaking at the Tory party conference, was bullish as he defended his record in Government and declared that the Tories should be "proud" of the tough action taken. Mr Osborne told delegates the economy is now "healing" but admitted Britain faced further austerity because the crisis had been worse than feared. He also sought to seize back the One Nation slogan from Labour leader Ed Miliband by arguing that the Tories are the true party of "one nation working together". Outlining his intention to slash the welfare budget further on top of the £18bn in cuts already in motion, he suggested jobless parents with large families could be targeted. And he prompted anger by indicating that under-25s currently on housing benefits rather than living at home with their parents could lose the financial support. "How can we justify the incomes of those out of work rising faster than the incomes of those in work?," he asked. "How can we justify giving flats to young people who have never worked, when working people twice their age are still living with their parents because they can't afford their first home? "How can we justify a system where people in work have to consider the full financial costs of having another child, whilst those who are out of work don't?" Mr Osborne also defended the move to slash the top rate of tax, insisting the 50p rate had been "cripplingly uncompetitive", raised no money and cost jobs. And despite his Lib Dem partners insisting they would not sign up to further welfare cuts without a new levy on the rich, he also ruled out a wealth tax or a mansion tax. "I am not prepared to contemplate things that make no economic sense and destroy jobs... Our future lies as a country where wealth creation is not something to be penalised - but encouraged," he said. "Our entire economic strategy is an enterprise strategy. We will be the government for people who aspire." His stance puts him on an immediate collision course with the Lib Dems and sets the stage for bitter coalition infighting ahead of the autumn statement in December. Shortly before the Chancellor's speech, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: "Nothing in detail has been agreed on further cuts and savings to welfare. "The Conservatives are entirely entitled to set out their stall about what we do as a country as we have to tighten our belts further. "My attitude has always been very simple, very straightforward: that as we have to make more savings as a country, you start at the top and work your way down not other way around. "These are the kind of things that we will thrash out in Government in the months ahead." The address in Birmingham contained new plans to let workers buy shares in the firms they work for in return for dropping unfair dismissal, redundancy and flexible working rights. Employees would receive 2,000 to 50,000 shares that would be exempt from capital gains tax when sold. Dismissing the possibility of an economic Plan B, Mr Osborne insisted: "We made a promise to the British people that we would repair our badly broken economy. "That promise is being fulfilled. The deficit is down by a quarter. There are one million more private sector jobs. The economy is healing. "That healing is taking longer than we hoped, because the damage was greater than we feared but let the message from this conference be clear: we will finish the job we have started." He insisted his catchphrase "we're all in this together" was more than just a slogan and still applies today, promising that future austerity would hit the richest hardest. He admitted that the Tories had probably "paid a price" for being candid about the huge economic challenges but insisted there had been no alternative. Mr Osborne dismissed Mr Miliband's attempts to take on the "One Nation" mantle in his conference speech as "risible" and attacked him for failing to mention the deficit. He insisted the "modern Conservatives" represent corner shop workers, teachers, commuters, pensioners and entrepreneurs. "They are all part of one nation - one nation working together to get on. That is the nation we represent. These are the people I serve as Chancellor," he said. He added: "To the people of Britain I say this. Whoever you are, wherever you come from, if you're working for a better future - we are on your side." Mr Osborne asked for the party's "trust" and "resolve" as he issued a stark warning about the huge challenges ahead. "It isn't too much to say that the future prosperity of our country, the future of a free enterprise system under law, even the stability of Europe, is in question in a way it has not been in my lifetime," he said. "I cannot pledge to you simple answers or a quick solution. This year has shown we are a country confronted on all sides by great difficulties. "But this year has also shown we live in a country of courage and creativity. A country that can do incredible things and succeed when we pull together." The address in Birmingham followed a Sky News poll by Ipsos Mori showing just 27% of people are satisfied with the Chancellor's performance - his lowest ever personal rating.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Outlining his intention to slash the welfare budget further on top of the £18bn in cuts already in motion, he suggested jobless parents with large families could be targeted. And he prompted anger by indicating that under-25s currently on housing benefits rather than living at home with their parents could lose the financial support.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Mr Osborne also defended the move to slash the top rate of tax, insisting the 50p rate had been "cripplingly uncompetitive", raised no money and cost jobs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The address in Birmingham contained new plans to let workers buy shares in the firms they work for in return for dropping unfair dismissal, redundancy and flexible working rights[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]He insisted his catchphrase "we're all in this together" was more than just a slogan and still applies today, promising that future austerity would hit the richest hardest.[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.sky.com/story/994621/osborne-to-cut-welfare-budget-by-extra-10bn[/url]
[quote]He insisted his catchphrase "we're all in this together" was more than just a slogan and still applies today, promising that future austerity would hit the richest hardest.[/quote] Sick of this obvious bullshit.
Hahahaha You fucking bastard.
[quote]The address in Birmingham contained new plans to let workers buy shares in the firms they work for in return for dropping unfair dismissal, redundancy and flexible working rights[/quote] Now, I might just be a young'un having trouble getting into a job, but how the hell does owning shares in a firm help any when you're basically letting them kick you off whenever?
Why are people this fucking stupid in politics.
I'm all for cutting wasteful spending, but cutting social programs instead of actual wasteful bullshit is just... bullshit.
"Vote Conservative" [img]http://puu.sh/1cG5I[/img] [i]"... please"[/i]
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37959442]I'm all for cutting wasteful spending, but cutting social programs instead of actual wasteful bullshit is just... bullshit.[/QUOTE] To be fair there isn't much left to cut. I just don't understand why we didn't tax wealthy income alongside welfare cuts.
As if a tax on the rich was even an option, we wouldn't want Cameron and his cronies to have to pay the tax they should.
Camerons fucking Britain.
[QUOTE=laserguided;37959434]Why are people this fucking stupid in politics.[/QUOTE] Not all of them are stupid, most of them are relying on the voters to be stupid enough to agree with them
[QUOTE=smurfy;37959478]"Vote Conservative" [IMG]http://puu.sh/1cG5I[/IMG] [I]"... please"[/I][/QUOTE] That's a nice untitled graph with no labels on its axes you've got there.
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[QUOTE=RobbL;37959914]The only cuts I can sort of sympathise with are the ones to do with child benefit for very large families. You don't uncontrollably find yourself in a situation where you suddenly have 7 kids. If a family has that much kids it's their choice, nothing has forced them to have so many really. Maybe more parents should start considering whether they can finacially manage having more children. I mean it's sort of like buying a house where you know you won't be able to keep up with the mortgage Everything else is stupid though, especially not taxing the rich more[/QUOTE] So the kids deserved to be fucked over because of choices their parents made?
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;37959860]That's a nice untitled graph with no labels on its axes you've got there.[/QUOTE] Looks like a number of people that would vote for each party over time or their public opinion to me.
get the pakis out british pride
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;37959927]So the kids deserved to be fucked over because of choices their parents made?[/QUOTE] Eh, didn't think to much about that side of it really (I didn't hear about this until I came into this thread and I sort of skim-read the article). But what if a parent decides to start gambling and becomes bankrupt, their children are going fucked over by that too. There's a load of similar situations like that where parents choices fuck over their kids and welfare cannot really do anything about it
[QUOTE=RobbL;37959982]Eh, didn't think to much about that side of it really (I didn't hear about this until I came into this thread and I sort of skim-read the article). But what if a parent decides to start gambling and becomes bankrupt, their children are going fucked over by that too. There's a load of similar situations like that where parents choices fuck over their kids and welfare cannot really do anything about it[/QUOTE] then it's the government's duty to bring them out of their gambling addiction and make them a healthy human once again, since a gambling addiction is not subject to any concept of 'choice' [editline]edit[/editline] here comes the queen of libertarianism, justextreme!
[QUOTE=Bobie;37960056]then it's the government's duty to bring them out of their gambling addiction and make them a healthy human once again, since a gambling addiction is not subject to any concept of 'choice'[/QUOTE] Ignore those two posts sorry, I didn't really think them through [SUB]I assume those parents would still be getting just enough child benefit to sustain their large families. also I didn't realise that the changes only applied to unemployed families. obviously drastic cuts to the child benefit system would be stupid and harmful. you could easily be able to financially support your kids while employed, but if you then lose your job you'd be fucked[/SUB]
yeah, because austerity has worked out so well for other european countries :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Useful Dave;37959432]Now, I might just be a young'un having trouble getting into a job, but how the hell does owning shares in a firm help any when you're basically letting them kick you off whenever?[/QUOTE] I'll keep this simple. I work in the public sector, but work a few hours a week in a previously full-time job just to put money into a share scheme. I'll pay a total of £3,500 after the 3 years, and have a return TAX FREE of nearly £9,000. It's all about working to improve the business so your return gets better. HOWEVER, I still pay into a union and I believe these new plans won't effect that. They just want to limit the amount businesses can get sued for as, let's face it, if businesses have more confidence the economy will get stronger.
Let this be a lesson to the nation on not to vote tory.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37962943]Let this be a lesson to the nation on not to vote tory.[/QUOTE] It's just sad that it wasn't realised after the transport and mining industries were brought from pretty passable to a fucking disgrace under Thatcher. Transport took some time, but we're now pretty close to one of the shittiest train systems in Europe!. Some people either have short memories, don't care for the past or just don't care.
ahhhh I've had enough, fuck brainless politics seriously, they should do us all a favor and trip in front of a train
[QUOTE=Terminutter;37962974]It's just sad that it wasn't realised after the transport and mining industries were brought from pretty passable to a fucking disgrace under Thatcher. Transport took some time, but we're now pretty close to one of the shittiest train systems in Europe!. Some people either have short memories, don't care for the past or just don't care.[/QUOTE] But spending money is baaaad, we need to cut everything until all the public services fall apart and then we have to spend billions fixing it all again.
[QUOTE=jamzzster;37963007]ahhhh I've had enough, fuck brainless politics seriously, they should do us all a favor and trip in front of a train[/QUOTE] Say there is a bomb in Congress/Parliament, everybody panics and runs into shelter, blow up shelter. Bam! World peace!
Let's take away money from those who really need it! -George Osborne,2012
[QUOTE=zombays;37963028]Say there is a bomb in Congress/Parliament, everybody panics and runs into shelter, blow up shelter. Bam! World peace![/QUOTE] But what if Eric Pickles gets stuck in the shelter door and no one can get in. Your plot if foiled!
[QUOTE=zombays;37963028]Say there is a bomb in Congress/Parliament, everybody panics and runs into shelter, blow up shelter. Bam! World peace![/QUOTE] Exactly... sort of
[QUOTE=zombays;37963028]Say there is a bomb in Congress/Parliament, everybody panics and runs into shelter, blow up shelter. Bam! World peace![/QUOTE] With how many fat old people are in the government just the panicking and having to running would get rid of a few of them.
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