UPDATE
[quote]Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO)—the company that runs the Fukushima nuclear pants—says that 70% of the fuel rods have been damaged on the reactor 1 and 33% have been damaged on reactor 2. "The reactors' cores are believed to have partially melted" says the Japanese news agency Kyodo.[/quote]
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[quote]The European Union's energy commissioner Guenther Oettinger said today that the Japanese nuclear disaster is a lot worse than what Japan is declaring. In fact, he believes it could be an apocalypse:
There is talk of an apocalypse and I think the word is particularly well chosen [...] I hope that it doesn't happen, but we can't rule out that the worst case scenario [a complete meltdown a la Chernobyl] happens in the next few hours or days.
The European view on the subject is way darker than what the IAEA, the Japan government and most of the United States' media is portraying.
Oettinger said that the situation is "almost completely out of control" and that it's only going to get worse as workers get evacuated. Nuclear emergency experts believe that you can't keep the situation from escalating without enough personnel on site, pointing at the 50 engineers now at the nuclear complex. Spanish radiobiology scientist Eduard Rodríguez-Farré says that Fukushima is like a "slow-motion camera Chernobyl". According to him, the situation is now "running wild." Yesterday, André-Claude Lacoste, president of France's national organization for nuclear safety, said that the level threat should be 5 and perhaps 6. Today, the French energy agency said that this disaster is only second to Chernobyl and has recommended to raise the alert to 7, the maximum in the nuclear event scale. France has 58 operating reactors, only second to the United States' 104. Japanese officials previously suggested that the primary containment vessel at the No. 2 reactor of Japan's Fukushima Daiichi may have been breached. European experts, however, are saying that all signs and known data point to a certain breach.
Japan is still insisting that this is a level 4 accident—even after officials removed all workers from the plant and extended the evacuation area to a 30 kilometer radius. Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Ka says that, while the situation is bad, "people need to keep calm" after the third explosion. Japanese officials said that, despite the morning spike, the radiation level is now "down to the level that can do no harm." However, all the plant personnel have now been evacuated except for 50 engineers who are managing the situation.
The International Atomic Energy Agency hasn't changed its previous statement yet. Speaking yesterday in a news conference at the agency's Vienna headquarters, the IAEA president Yukiya Amano said that a Chernobyl was "very unlikely":
Let me say that the possibility that the development of this accident into one like Chernobyl is very unlikely [...] there is no chain reaction going on. But Chernobyl clean-up expert Iouli Andreev accused the IAEA of not being "interested in the concentration of attention on a possible accident in the nuclear industry. They are totally not interested in all the emergency organizations." He also accused the United Nations organization and the companies involved of willingly ignoring the lessons from the worst accident in history:
After Chernobyl all the force of the nuclear industry was directed to hide this event, for not creating damage to their reputation. The Chernobyl experience was not studied properly because who has money for studying? Only industry. [...] The Japanese were very greedy and they used every square inch of the space. But when you have a dense placing of spent fuel in the basin you have a high possibility of fire if the water is removed from the basin.
For their part, the Russians are closely working with their Japanese neighbors, and already have nuclear emergency workers on site providing assistance. Andreev said that they need to think creatively and improvise to solve this crisis or face a complete catastrophe.
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-Gizmodo
[editline]15th March 2011[/editline]
Video's aren't showing up. hold on.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuNtgYtF4FI&feature=player_embedded[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5raVVOLCCts&feature=player_embedded[/media]
Sorry the post is having issues with the gaps :( the stuff above fills in the gaps. :f5:
Not ANOTHER fucking thread. Can't we keep this in the other one for christ sake.
Jesus Christ, try and edit the post man.
[QUOTE=Dav0r;28624820]Jesus Christ, try and edit the post man.[/QUOTE]
Fixed
Why can't we be more prepared and smart about these issues? This is really really bad.
I thought the quake/tsunami was bad enough.
[QUOTE=ducky5;28624859]Im going as fast as I can! something went wrong![/QUOTE]
"Ducky5 thread editting situation 'out of control'"
why is there no megathread for earthquake-tsunami / fukushima related events in Japan yet.
[QUOTE=J!NX;28624872]Why can't we be more prepared and smart about these issues? This is really really bad.
I thought the quake/tsunami was bad enough.[/QUOTE]
The reactor has held up incredibly well considering the earthquake has been about 25 times stronger than what it was designed for.
So with Japan gone I propose we move all the high-tech industry to Canada.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;28624886]The reactor has held up incredibly well considering the earthquake has been about 25 times stronger than what it was designed for.[/QUOTE]
Well you do have a point there.
why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28624943]why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?[/QUOTE]
The reaction is still going on in the rods and they cannot get enough coolant to them so the rods are overheating which is causing a build up of nasty things.
(AFAIK)
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28624943]why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?[/QUOTE]
If it was that easy don't you think [U][I]THEY WOULD HAVE TRIED THAT[/I][/U]?
EDIT: Woop read posts after this give me boxes please.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28624943]why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?[/QUOTE]
reactors need to be cooled and that's one of the issues they're having problems with. if they can't be cooled there'll be a meltdown
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28624943]why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?[/QUOTE]
They are shut down, but it doesn't just stop generating heat, I don't remember the exact reason why, because it's midnight and I should be in bed, but it doesn't just instantly stop.
[QUOTE=J!NX;28624872]Why can't we be more prepared and smart about these issues? This is really really bad.
I thought the quake/tsunami was bad enough.
"Ducky5 thread editting situation 'out of control'"[/QUOTE]
:mmmsmug: fixed
[QUOTE=gerbile5;28624943]why dont they just shut it down?
or does it not work like that
can someone explain?[/QUOTE]
The switch is under the water and nobody knows how to swim!
[QUOTE=LarparNar;28624977]They are shut down, but it doesn't just stop generating heat, I don't remember the exact reason why, because it's midnight and I should be in bed, but it doesn't just instantly stop.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html[/url]
A very interesting interactive explanation
Out of control?
Last I heard was that the fire was put out in No.4 early my time (Pacific time) followed by another fire that put itself out and then the news has not reported anything since then to show that things are getting worse. No news in 12 hours is good news.
Their priority with No.4 anyways is keeping the fuel storage pool cool as it's the one location on the plant right now where radioactive material is stored outside the containment buildings which have kept the chaos in the other reactors contained. Compared to the reactors, this is a lot easier as pretty much you are just filling up something the size of a swimming pool.
[img]http://www.earthmagazine.org/mediafiles/i/2009/2/6/314[/img]
This is such a goddamn trainwreck. I hope if anything comes from the power plant events is that they reinforce all plants that are considered seriously outdated.
Best wishes for those brave 50
(The same thing happened at Chernobyl didn't it? All but a handful left I mean)
Fuck this is scary.
Those 50 are likely walking dead men, but if they can salvage the situation and prevent a nuclear apocalypse then they will live forever as heroes.
2 groups of people that should not be a source for anything regarding what is going on:
Politicians
US news networks
Blowout soon, fellow stalker!
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Wasn't it out of control from the start? I'm seriously not worried until it actually goes into melt down and blows up.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;28625260]Those 50 are likely walking dead men, but if they can salvage the situation and prevent a nuclear apocalypse then they will live forever as heroes.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's [I]that bad[/I].
If the radiation were [I]that bad[/I] then they'd be to sick to work productively.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28625481][img_thumb]http://i.cubeupload.com/Rldh9E.png[/img_thumb]
:allears:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't bet on it.
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