Tesla to charge fees to people who leave their car at a supercharger after its been fully charged
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[url]https://www.tesla.com/blog/improving-supercharger-availability[/url]
[QUOTE]We designed the Supercharger network to enable a seamless, enjoyable road trip experience. Therefore, we understand that it can be frustrating to arrive at a station only to discover fully charged Tesla cars occupying all the spots. To create a better experience for all owners, we’re introducing a fleet-wide idle fee that aims to increase Supercharger availability.
We envision a future where cars move themselves once fully charged, enhancing network efficiency and the customer experience even further. Until then, we ask that vehicles be moved from the Supercharger once fully charged. A customer would never leave a car parked by the pump at a gas and the same thinking applies with Superchargers.
The Tesla app allows owners to remotely monitor their vehicle, alerting them when their charge is nearly complete and again once fully charged. For every additional minute a car remains connected to the Supercharger, it will incur a $0.40 idle fee. If the car is moved within 5 minutes, the fee is waived. To be clear, this change is purely about increasing customer happiness and we hope to never make any money from it.[/QUOTE]
whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.
Seems fair to me.
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whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.[/QUOTE]
Some sort of sensor detecting that the car is there and hasn't moved, perhaps?
Three years ago Tesla was concerned that its charging stations operate too slowly. Now it's 2017-1 and they're having to charge people to get their cars out [I]faster[/I]. I love this company sometimes.
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whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.[/QUOTE]
Their car being keyed up because they were an asshole.
[QUOTE=Wii60;51541054][url]https://www.tesla.com/blog/improving-supercharger-availability[/url]
whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.[/QUOTE]
" If the car is moved within 5 minutes, the fee is waived. "
it's not just detecting the unplug, it's detecting the movement
10 bucks their eventual goal is pull your car into a supercharger spot, get out, and the snake charger connects. when your car's fully charged, snake charger disconnects and your car autonomously goes and parks in a holding spot.
[QUOTE=Wii60;51541054]whats stopping people from coming back to unplug it, but not leaving the space.[/QUOTE]
towing, because then it's purposeful loitering and obstruction
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51541094]" If the car is moved within 5 minutes, the fee is waived. "
it's not just detecting the unplug, it's detecting the movement
10 bucks their eventual goal is pull your car into a supercharger spot, get out, and the snake charger connects. when your car's fully charged, snake charger disconnects and your car autonomously goes and parks in a holding spot.[/QUOTE]
did you read the OP because that's exactly what they said :v:
Why not have the charger force the car to move automatically and park like 15ft away in the supercharge station
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51541361]Why not have the charger force the car to move automatically and park like 15ft away in the supercharge station[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51541358]did you read the OP because that's exactly what they said :v:[/QUOTE]
That's a goal for the future this is a temporary measure in the meantime.
Seems fine by me -- if you're treating the charging station like a free idle parking spot while you go do your business elsewhere, then you're no better than double-parkers on a city street.
How long does it take to charge a tesla?
[QUOTE=Popularvote;51541386]How long does it take to charge a tesla?[/QUOTE]
Not long, as it turns out:
"they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%." ~Wikipedia
[QUOTE=Popularvote;51541386]How long does it take to charge a tesla?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Supercharging is the world’s fastest charging solution, capable of delivering up to half a charge in as little as 20 minutes.[/QUOTE] - Tesla.com
[QUOTE=Popularvote;51541386]How long does it take to charge a tesla?[/QUOTE]
Other people already answered this, but you would have your car plugged in at home most of the time. It's fundamentally different than having to fuel up as your car (for most cases) will always be ready when you get up.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541422]Not long, as it turns out:
"they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%." ~Wikipedia[/QUOTE]
Always heard it took like half a day. What can you get out of a full charge?
[QUOTE=Neguido;51541562]Always heard it took like half a day. What can you get out of a full charge?[/QUOTE]
The answer is going to change depending on your driving habits. Range can be found on their website
[QUOTE=Neguido;51541562]Always heard it took like half a day. What can you get out of a full charge?[/QUOTE]
Probably takes like half a day if you charge at home, but this thread is about the superchargers which are really fast.
Range varies based on a few things, but I think you can get like more than 400 kilometers or something on one charge.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541617]Probably takes like half a day if you charge at home, but this thread is about the superchargers which are really fast.
Range varies based on a few things, but I think you can get like more than 400 kilometers or something on one charge.[/QUOTE]
if you drove the entire range of a tesla then charged at home, would take 5 hours
8 if you have a lowered power charger
meanwhile a supercharger takes a 1:15 hours
[QUOTE=paul simon;51541617]Probably takes like half a day if you charge at home, but this thread is about the superchargers which are really fast.
Range varies based on a few things, but I think you can get like more than 400 kilometers or something on one charge.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty good, how many watts (or more appropriately kWhs) would you be paying for on average to make that 400 kilometers?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51541094]" If the car is moved within 5 minutes, the fee is waived. "
it's not just detecting the unplug, it's detecting the movement
10 bucks their eventual goal is pull your car into a supercharger spot, get out, and the snake charger connects. when your car's fully charged, snake charger disconnects and your car autonomously goes and parks in a holding spot.[/QUOTE]
dude, where's my car?
[QUOTE=Neguido;51541631]That's pretty good, how many watts (or more appropriately kWhs) would you be paying for on average to make that 400 kilometers?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the car setup, they have different charge capacities.
Tesla S which is i think most popular atm:
"70 kWh or 90 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery"
[url]https://www.tesla.com/support/model-s-specifications[/url]
Literally days before I leave for a roadtrip, fuck me. I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously this is good for dense urban areas, but honestly 99% of superchargers don't have this problem. When I was driving across the country I'd stay plugged in overnight with the HVAC on and just sleep in the car in rural areas, and I'd rarely even see another Tesla. I've only been to two superchargers that regularly have lines; Mountain View and Burbank.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;51541662]Literally days before I leave for a roadtrip, fuck me. I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously this is good for dense urban areas, but honestly 99% of superchargers don't have this problem. When I was driving across the country I'd stay plugged in overnight with the HVAC on and just sleep in the car in rural areas, and I'd rarely even see another Tesla. I've only been to two superchargers that regularly have lines; Mountain View and Burbank.[/QUOTE]
Just move your car once you are charged? It's only a problem if you occupy slot needlessly.
[QUOTE=creec;51541672]Just move your car once you are charged? It's only a problem if you occupy slot needlessly.[/QUOTE]
The point in staying plugged in with the HVAC on is so it trickle charges as necessary overnight. Kinda makes it so I can't stay charged overnight anymore.
I realize this is painting with a broad brush, but I feel like people who own Teslas tend to be wealthy enough not to care much about a mere $24/hr fee. I also wonder if the problem might get worse, with users now feeling like they're entitled to monopolize the space as long as they pay their 'rent'.
I wish there was a way to pre-pay if you know you're not gonna be able to come back for a bit, say if you go into work for a long meeting or go into a shopping mall, and get charged less if you pay ahead. like, $1 for every 5 minutes or something. i also think there are certain places that should be able to have exceptions, such as businesses if in the future they provide electric parking for their employees who would probably work upwards to 4 hours before a break. im sure they offer this kind of thing though.
Mainly my idea concerns people who want to park and charge but may not be able to physically get back to their car in time.
[QUOTE=Gamerman12;51541733]I wish there was a way to pre-pay if you know you're not gonna be able to come back for a bit, say if you go into work for a long meeting or go into a shopping mall, and get charged less if you pay ahead. like, $1 for every 5 minutes or something. i also think there are certain places that should be able to have exceptions, such as businesses if in the future they provide electric parking for their employees who would probably work upwards to 4 hours before a break. im sure they offer this kind of thing though.
Mainly my idea concerns people who want to park and charge but may not be able to physically get back to their car in time.[/QUOTE]
Businesses can provide Destination Chargers, which are separate from the Supercharger network. Destination Chargers are basically the household Tesla fast charger.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;51541687]The point in staying plugged in with the HVAC on is so it trickle charges as necessary overnight. Kinda makes it so I can't stay charged overnight anymore.[/QUOTE]
The battery should last long enough to run then HVAC for a long time. You could just charge it up again while you go eat breakfast, or use an AC charger somewhere.
Tesloop are pretty much single handedly responsible for this change. It's a taxi service that uses Tesla's, but they would just block up all the stalls at multiple superchargers overnight.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51541715]I realize this is painting with a broad brush, but I feel like people who own Teslas tend to be wealthy enough not to care much about a mere $24/hr fee. I also wonder if the problem might get worse, with users now feeling like they're entitled to monopolize the space as long as they pay their 'rent'.[/QUOTE]
the tesla model S is a $68,000 - $72,000 car. while that's not cheap by any means, it's also far from being a supreme luxury vehicle. the problem you describe might apply to people who feel overentitled to their money, but this would be the exception rather than the norm. I'd assume(and don't quote me on this, just my 2 cents) that most Tesla owners wouldn't be very happy about being charged $24/hr for leaving their car parked at a charging station. That's about an entire day's worth of parking in the most expensive cities in the U.S.(New York and San Francisco come to mind).
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