Microsoft confirms Windows Update will be mandatory for Windows 10 Home
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[url]http://recode.net/2015/07/16/windows-10-makes-automatic-updates-mandatory-for-home-users/[/url]
[quote=Re/code]Microsoft has talked about Windows 10 as being a service that gets continually updated rather than a piece of software that is installed and left as is.
Apparently, Microsoft is making that view mandatory. The software maker is requiring that consumers installing Windows 10 agree to take any Microsoft updates automatically. A Microsoft representative confirmed Thursday that such language is part of the official terms and conditions that accompany the operating system, which starts shipping July 29.
“The license terms for Windows 10 require Automatic Updates be enabled as a part of keeping our customers secure and delivering Windows as a service,” the company said in a statement to Re/code. Business users will have the option to turn off such automatic updates to allow IT departments time to test updates before installing them.[/quote]
Well fuck, I guess it's time to start looking into Windows Anytime Upgrade...
Is the free upgrade always to home edition, even if we have Professional/Ultimate of an earlier version? I've got Win 7 Professional on my desktop
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;48233864]Is the free upgrade always to home edition, even if we have Professional/Ultimate of an earlier version? I've got Win 7 Professional on my desktop[/QUOTE]
If you have Pro or Ultimate, you get Win10 Pro.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48233871]If you have Pro or Ultimate, you get Win10 Pro.[/QUOTE]
What a relief, at least for me. Running 8.1 Pro here. Not for sure about my laptop though.
I don't really like this.
Often I have my updates set to always ask just in case a bad update rolls through so it doesn't wreck all my shit. If I can't do that, what's Microsoft going to do in the case that a bad update DOES go through and fucks up a bunch of people's computers, possibly causing mass data loss across many customers? It seems like they only give a shit about businesses in that aspect.
I don't want to have to shell out any extra money to switch to another edition of Windows that doesn't suit my needs just to avoid that.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48233871]If you have Pro or Ultimate, you get Win10 Pro.[/QUOTE]
is there a way to check? I can't remember what version I snagged from dreamspark ages ago
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;48233910]is there a way to check? I can't remember what version I snagged from dreamspark ages ago[/QUOTE]
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System
If it says just "Windows 8.1" or the sponsored "Windows 8.1 with Bing", you're on Core (AKA the analogue to Home on 10). If it says "Windows 8.1 Pro", you're on Pro (obviously).
[editline]17th July 2015[/editline]
ARE YOU SHITTING ME
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0t6ZUu6.png[/img]
can't you just do services.msc->windows updates->(startup mode) manual
It's not as bad as it seems, because since people can opt-in for (i think) 'bleeding-edge' updates which they get before anyone else they can diagnose terrible updates before they release them to the world.
To be fair, those that have Windows 10 Home probably won't care about forced updates. It would be hilarious though if Microsoft seriously fuck an update though.
I don't really mind forced updates as long as when they come out they don't break shit. Windows 8 is a nightmare(at least for me) for updating, one update just likes breaking my PC for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48233950]can't you just do services.msc->windows updates->(startup mode) manual[/QUOTE]
I doubt they'll go to great extend to actually stop you from disabling windows update. They just want the tech illiterate crowd to not disable windows update because it annoys them.
EDIT: Actually i guess they also want rootkits to not disable it.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48233921]Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System
If it says just "Windows 8.1" or the sponsored "Windows 8.1 with Bing", you're on Core (AKA the analogue to Home on 10). If it says "Windows 8.1 Pro", you're on Pro (obviously).
[editline]17th July 2015[/editline]
ARE YOU SHITTING ME
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0t6ZUu6.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Run to Best Buy or London Drugs (if you're in the west), they have the pro packs for sale there withba key to upgrade the OS to pro.
[QUOTE=BackSapper;48234145]Run to Best Buy or London Drugs (if you're in the west), they have the pro packs for sale there withba key to upgrade the OS to pro.[/QUOTE]
Winterpeg, so London Drugs is a yes!
Is this really that big of a deal? I've never had anything break because of a windows update ever.
I'm just asking this out of curiosity, but what does this mean for pirates? (if anything)
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48234165]Winterpeg, so London Drugs is a yes![/QUOTE]
No recalls have been issued for Windows 8 software yet last that I know from work, so you should be fine getting the key.
Good. I swear you guys sound like anti-vacciners. Everybody's windows being updated outweighs the cons of automatic updates and you guys are over exaggerating the percentage of updates that go wrong.
[QUOTE=aydin690;48234525]Good. I swear you guys sound like anti-vacciners. Everybody's windows being updated outweighs the cons of automatic updates and you guys are over exaggerating the percentage of updates that go wrong.[/QUOTE]
One update is enough when users are being forced to install them. Not to mention I don't want Windows to decide whenever it wants "time to install updates; oh, you were doing something, well fuck you". So many "restarting in 15 minutes unless you say no" things have popped up at random times that Windows update doesn't get to do anything without permission now.
As long as I get to choose when to install them, I don't like the install dialogue popping up in the middle of a game.
honestly if updates are forced for home installations I don't care. I've dealt with so many machines from XP-Win7 that don't have SP3 for XP or SP1 in win7.
[QUOTE=aydin690;48234525]Good. I swear you guys sound like anti-vacciners. Everybody's windows being updated outweighs the cons of automatic updates and you guys are over exaggerating the percentage of updates that go wrong.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather it not download when I'm in the middle of watching a video, or playing an online game. I have extremely slow internet (300 kilobytes a second), so that makes doing anything else pointless. I don't mind it making me update - what I mind is it choosing specifically when to; not matter if I'm in the middle of something else.
Windows 10 will have a public beta version forever so all updates will be tested in the real world before being released
[QUOTE=meppers;48235024]Windows 10 will have a public beta version forever so all updates will be tested in the real world before being released[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily security stuff I wouldn't think (those can and do tend to break things). Features yes.
There's two real issues I see with this. One is that being forced to update on Microsoft's schedule can really interfere with work. I was working on a project with a group of people that was due the next day, and my laptop randomly decided to download updates that took several hours to install. It was a miracle that someone else had their computer with them that we could get the work done on.
There are also some programs that updates could interfere with. For instance, getting custom themes on Windows 8 requires the user to install a program, which in its earlier versions, royally fucks up the windows installation. The computer is still usable, but it causes Windows to fail to boot when it tries updating, requiring a system restore. It's obscure pieces of software like that which I'm worried about.
It would be better if the functionality to disable automatic updates still existed, but it was just really out of the way and inconvenient to do, so users don't accidentally do it. Windows 8 didn't let users disable UAC through control panel, they had to do it through regedit. It was annoying, but I would rather have that than nothing at all.
[QUOTE=aydin690;48234525]Good. I swear you guys sound like anti-vacciners. Everybody's windows being updated outweighs the cons of automatic updates and you guys are over exaggerating the percentage of updates that go wrong.[/QUOTE]
Most people's complaints about Windows Update are about how it has no concept of controlling when it applies updates.
Yes, you can technically schedule updates, but this scheduling setting is completely ignored, and Windows Update instead chooses to run updates whenever it feels like it, which is almost always when you're in the middle of something, which not only forces a reboot in the middle of your work/game, but also causes a lot of slowdown from the CPU and disk usage, because WU apparently also has no concept of "people actually use their computers sometimes".
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;48234942]As long as I get to choose when to install them, I don't like the install dialogue popping up in the middle of a game.[/QUOTE]
I'm expecting an update-on-shutdown type of thing, similar to the current one but you can't turn it off
I thought the entire point on this new Windows version was so it is the "last" version of Windows and feature updates would be applied periodically? So this agreement to me just looks like Windows saying they would like all users to always be on the same fully featured current Windows release, like on Windows Phones today.
I am aware there will still be a tonne of security updates and such too, but to keep everyone on the same page then everyone would need the same.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48234025]To be fair, those that have Windows 10 Home probably won't care about forced updates. It would be hilarious though if Microsoft seriously fuck an update though.[/QUOTE]they have to get it right, else they'll fuck their rep up real bad if everyone at once gets a broken update
i mean, if it were valve it would definitely be worrying
also these updates will probably be more frequent and lower-scale than currently, right? If they have a proper update model they could easily send out microupdates with maybe one or two bug fixes that really pissed off some people, and maybe it can download in the background over the course of an hour to save bandwidth and install for like three seconds before shutting down
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