Sen. Bernie Sanders will decide on a presidential run by March.
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[QUOTE]BURLINGTON, Vt. (AP) — Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he'll decide by March whether to launch a 2016 presidential campaign and, if so, whether he'll seek the Democratic nomination. Either way, Sanders says he wouldn't run just to nudge the debate to the left.
"I don't want to do it unless I can do it well," he told The Associated Press. "I don't want to do it unless we can win this thing."
Sanders, a socialist, said he grew up "solidly lower middle class" in a Jewish family in Brooklyn — his father, an immigrant from Poland, sold paint for a living —and his views about the distribution of wealth were formed early.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/sanders-ill-decide-presidential-run-march-081052372--election.html[/url]
I wish we had people like Bernie Sanders in England, he has the right ideas.
He doesn't want to run unless he can win?
It's decided, everyone. We can all go home. It's okay to just never try, because trying is the first step toward failure.
Even if he doesnt run I'll write him in. Neither party has good candidates so why not give it to someone completely different for once.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46799001]He doesn't want to run unless he can win?
It's decided, everyone. We can all go home. It's okay to just never try, because trying is the first step toward failure.[/QUOTE]
It's like Kerry and Romney, they get all super gung-ho about winning the presidency and then when they lose they decide "well that sucks guess I'll never run ever again".
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46799001]He doesn't want to run unless he can win?
It's decided, everyone. We can all go home. It's okay to just never try, because trying is the first step toward failure.[/QUOTE]
He certainly doesn't want to win the primary if he can't win the final election. That would be a disaster.
I don't think he'll win the primary but he should run anyways because he's the only one that will ask the hard questions in debates and such.
[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;46798660]I wish we had people like Bernie Sanders in England, he has the right ideas.[/QUOTE]
Dennis Skinner?
he's the only visible old Labour MP I see really
I think the major problem if Sanders runs and wins the Democrat primary is that it might scare off enough right-leaning Democrats who'll then go for the Republican candidate, especially if the Republicans field someone who is rather moderate/somewhat centrist. This is at least assuming that the Democrats have left-leaning and right-leaning factions like our Labor party in Australia (our equivalent of the Democrats).
Plus ideally you's would have a President that both sides of politics would compromise on.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46799379]I think the major problem if Sanders runs and wins the Democrat primary is that it might scare off enough right-leaning Democrats who'll then go for the Republican candidate, especially if the Republicans field someone who is rather moderate/somewhat centrist. This is at least assuming that the Democrats have left-leaning and right-leaning factions like our Labor party in Australia (our equivalent of the Democrats).[/QUOTE]
it is the undecided people that candidates fight for, most people who identify as either "republican" or "democrat" nearly always votes with party lines
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46799418]it is the undecided people that candidates fight for, most people who identify as either "republican" or "democrat" nearly always votes with party lines[/QUOTE]
Except you're ignoring that Sanders isn't a Democrat, he only caucuses through them so he has a chance of contesting elections, and that their are also marginal supporters of either side of politics who aren't 100% embedded in their side. Well actually no, you didn't ignore the latter point; you did say 'nearly always votes', so you admit that people may break from their side. Which is what would happen if an independent, left-leaning candidate wins the Democrat nomination.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46799565]Except you're ignoring that Sanders isn't a Democrat, he only caucuses through them so he has a chance of contesting elections, and that their are also marginal supporters of either side of politics who aren't 100% embedded in their side. Well actually no, you didn't ignore the latter point; you did say 'nearly always votes', so you admit that people may break from their side. Which is what would happen if an independent, left-leaning candidate wins the Democrat nomination.[/QUOTE]
it also heavily depends on who the republicans choose to have run, especially if they're not moderate (which is difficult to find with how parties nominate candidates). and even then, i see more people abstaining from voting than voting "for the other team" if they don't like the candidate their party has chosen.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46799001]He doesn't want to run unless he can win?
It's decided, everyone. We can all go home. It's okay to just never try, because trying is the first step toward failure.[/QUOTE]
politics are complicated, there's more to it than that
America still has an ingrained view that socialism is the devil so he's going to have to shed that label if he wants to have a hope
[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;46798660]I wish we had people like Bernie Sanders in England, he has the right ideas.[/QUOTE]
You're in luck, his brother was a Green party MP for a couple years somewhere in England. Same type of guy and same ideas.
I love Bernie Sanders, but A. He would never win a general election in a country with a knee-jerk phobia of all things socialist, and B. The Democrats will get eaten alive for nominating and old-ass white guy when the GOP has their pick of hot young people like Rubio and Paul.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46801668]I love Bernie Sanders, but A. He would never win a general election in a country with a knee-jerk phobia of all things socialist, and B. The Democrats will get eaten alive for nominating and old-ass white guy when the GOP has their pick of hot young people like Rubio and Paul.[/QUOTE]
I think it's interesting the contrast between positions that both parties are having with this next election, going by the predictions right now. Democrats might have a choice between Clinton and Sanders while Republicans will have to choose between Rubio, Paul, and possibly (Jeb) Bush, who is supposedly already the establishment choice. What's fascinating about these choices is how the represent the political spectrum in the US. Sanders is seen as the radical outside compared to Clinton's moderate corporate leanings. While on the right you have Jeb Bush who is unquestionably a conservative but already being picked out by heavy weights like Fox News for being too centrist on issues like Common Core and immigration compared to the far-right rhetoric of Rubio and Paul.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46801700]I think it's interesting the contrast between positions that both parties are having with this next election, going by the predictions right now. Democrats might have a choice between Clinton and Sanders while Republicans will have to choose between Rubio, Paul, and possibly (Jeb) Bush, who is supposedly already the establishment choice. What's fascinating about these choices is how the represent the political spectrum in the US. Sanders is seen as the radical outside compared to Clinton's moderate corporate leanings. While on the right you have Jeb Bush who is unquestionably a conservative but already being picked out by heavy weights like Fox News for being too centrist on issues like Common Core and immigration compared to the far-right rhetoric of Rubio and Paul.[/QUOTE]
Long story made short, things are backward in the US.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46801700]I think it's interesting the contrast between positions that both parties are having with this next election, going by the predictions right now. Democrats might have a choice between Clinton and Sanders while Republicans will have to choose between Rubio, Paul, and possibly (Jeb) Bush, who is supposedly already the establishment choice. What's fascinating about these choices is how the represent the political spectrum in the US. Sanders is seen as the radical outside compared to Clinton's moderate corporate leanings. While on the right you have Jeb Bush who is unquestionably a conservative but already being picked out by heavy weights like Fox News for being too centrist on issues like Common Core and immigration compared to the far-right rhetoric of Rubio and Paul.[/QUOTE]
You forgot Christie.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46803595]You forgot Christie.[/QUOTE]
That fat blowhard will never be a serious candidate. He's already racking up his fair share of corruption scandals in New Jersey.
Also, we all need a little reality check. The 2016 election is just under two years away. We can't really start a credible conversation about candidates until at least a year from now.
We need you Bernie.
Save us.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46799565]Except you're ignoring that Sanders isn't a Democrat, he only caucuses through them so he has a chance of contesting elections, and that their are also marginal supporters of either side of politics who aren't 100% embedded in their side. Well actually no, you didn't ignore the latter point; you did say 'nearly always votes', so you admit that people may break from their side. Which is what would happen if an independent, left-leaning candidate wins the Democrat nomination.[/QUOTE]
It won't matter for most voters if Bernie wins the Democratic nomination. He'd get most Democratic votes.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;46809355]It won't matter for most voters if Bernie wins the Democratic nomination. He'd get most Democratic votes.[/QUOTE]
Its obvious he'd win states like New York and California. Giving him the electoral vote. And his ability to speak to the worker could win him some republican states.
As a Britfag that doesn't keep up well with american politicians could someone explain what makes this guy so great?
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;46815232]As a Britfag that doesn't keep up well with american politicians could someone explain what makes this guy so great?[/QUOTE]
Basically the champion of Liberalism in the US. He wants to end our trade policies that hurt the average worker, raise the minimum wage, put millions back to work repairing our crumbling infrastructure, put more money into social welfare programs, ban money in politics, force billionaire and millionaires along with corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and make a universal healthcare system that works for everyone, are his most notable goals. Among many others/
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46816135]Basically the champion of Liberalism in the US. He wants to end our trade policies that hurt the average worker, raise the minimum wage, put millions back to work repairing our crumbling infrastructure, put more money into social welfare programs, ban money in politics, force billionaire and millionaires along with corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and make a universal healthcare system that works for everyone, are his most notable goals. Among many others/[/QUOTE]
Sadly, the American people go THIS IS BAD! So it would never happen.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;46816135]Basically the champion of Liberalism in the US. He wants to end our trade policies that hurt the average worker, raise the minimum wage, put millions back to work repairing our crumbling infrastructure, put more money into social welfare programs, ban money in politics, force billionaire and millionaires along with corporations to pay their fair share of taxes, and make a universal healthcare system that works for everyone, are his most notable goals. Among many others/[/QUOTE]
thats socialist not liberal (well actually its not socialist at all, its keynesian) and i think its the way forward
Ron Paul is probably the champion of liberalism in its real sense.
although to be fair neither party in your country are liberals even though your republicans probably claim they are
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;46816217]Sadly, the American people go THIS IS BAD! So it would never happen.[/QUOTE]
in order to stop this you need to cut them off their toxic drip-feed of pathetic and shameful media sources like Faux news
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