30 Gang Members Arrested, Guns, Drugs Seized In Riverside County Raids - Polidicks

[QUOTE]More than 30 people with ties to two criminal street gangs were arrested today and dozens of guns were seized, along with illegal drugs and other contraband, in a series of raids carried out in Corona and surrounding locations as part of a local and state operation to crack down on firearms trafficking. "Today's joint operation and this entire investigation has been a great success due to the dedication and bravery of all the law enforcement agencies and personnel involved," Corona police Chief Mike Abel said. "The large amounts of narcotics, currency -- and most importantly -- the large cache of weapons seized, will no doubt disrupt the criminal gangs' enterprise, thus making our communities that much safer," he said. Members of the Corona Varrio Locos and the Mexican Mafia were targeted in the sweep, which involved more than 300 law enforcement personnel from the Corona Police Department, Riverside County Sheriff's Department and California's Justice and Corrections & Rehabilitation departments. According to investigators, 50 firearms, including semiautomatic rifles, were seized, as well as 314 rounds of ammunition, a stolen car, seven pounds of methamphetamine, 10 grams of cocaine, a pound of marijuana and $48,700 cash.[/QUOTE] [url]http://patch.com/california/lakeelsinore-wildomar/30-gang-members-arrested-guns-drugs-seized-riverside-county-raids-0[/url] [IMG]http://cdn.patch.com/users/22880697/2016/06/T600x450/201606575a25e1cdeb2.jpg[/IMG] Ironic because I was accused a while back about seeing gang members with ar-15 style rifles. The problems are getting worse with drug running in the area. I see crackheads and heroin addicts fairly often around here. See like everyone is loaded these days.

Holy fuck you could take on the whole conurbano gangs with those weapons

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50491833]Holy fuck you could take on the whole conurbano gangs with those weapons[/QUOTE] They have legal ar-15s from other states but also full auto ones acquired from the Mexican military/US army. It's pretty much well known that a lot of gang members went to the military during the Iraq war. They still have contacts and weapons sometimes go missing.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;50491892]They have legal ar-15s from other states but also full auto ones acquired from the Mexican military/US army. It's pretty much well known that a lot of gang members went to the military during the Iraq war. They still have contacts and weapons sometimes go missing.[/QUOTE] Dunno about US army, but in Russia if a soldier looses their weapon they can go to jail for that.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50492283]Dunno about US army, but in Russia if a soldier looses their weapon they can go to jail for that.[/QUOTE] Usually they go missing from armories or otherwise. Some of the national guard ones in the area have really weak security

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;50491619][url]http://patch.com/california/lakeelsinore-wildomar/30-gang-members-arrested-guns-drugs-seized-riverside-county-raids-0[/url] [IMG]http://cdn.patch.com/users/22880697/2016/06/T600x450/201606575a25e1cdeb2.jpg[/IMG] Ironic because I was accused a while back about seeing gang members with ar-15 style rifles. The problems are getting worse with drug running in the area. I see crackheads and heroin addicts fairly often around here. See like everyone is loaded these days.[/QUOTE] You from Riverside, man? I'm in Huntington Beach and it's getting shit out here, too.

[QUOTE=L'Citizen;50492376]You from Riverside, man? I'm in Huntington Beach and it's getting shit out here, too.[/QUOTE] I'm from Riverside county but spent some time in Lennox and Inglewood.

[QUOTE]10 grams of cocaine[/QUOTE] Oh shit all that cokes off the street. With everything else they got did they really need to pad out the raid results, [editline]10th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Bung Piece;50493228]Oh shit all that cokes off the street. With everything else they got did they really need to pad out the raid results, [editline]10th June 2016[/editline][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]seven pounds of methamphetamine[/QUOTE] They "pad" it because gang members here use cocaine to hype themselves up before kill missions and otherwise. Like Isis and their drugs.

[QUOTE=Bung Piece;50493228]Oh shit all that cokes off the street. With everything else they got did they really need to pad out the raid results, [editline]10th June 2016[/editline][/QUOTE] Uh... because that's what was recovered. What's the point in leaving it out? That'd just be bad journalism.

Oh look, gun control is working! Sorry, needed to take a cheap shot there. The amount of firepower being shown here is probably a fraction of the dakka these groups have. One thing which is sorta biting me is trying to figure out where exactly they are hiding the big toys. Usually these groups roll around with RPGs(improv or military grade), hand grenades, and sometimes improvised grenade launchers like the IRA's PRIG. Just to give you guys an idea... Just last year, one of the cartels actually managed to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter with an RPG. It killed six soldiers, and crash landed in the middle of a busy city. Not to even start mentioning how the cartels are starting to use IEDs to attack Mexican military patrols.

Am I the only one not impressed by the numbers with regards to the weapons and drugs they seized? 314 rounds of ammo is nothing.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50494095]Am I the only one not impressed by the numbers with regards to the weapons and drugs they seized? 314 rounds of ammo is nothing.[/QUOTE] I feel the same. This is just a feel good campaign to make it seem like the cartel war is under control. The only day it'll be under control is when we fully realize the Drug War as an actual war, and begin to send advisors to Mexico to aid them in fighting.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50494049]Oh look, gun control is working! Sorry, needed to take a cheap shot there. The amount of firepower being shown here is probably a fraction of the dakka these groups have. One thing which is sorta biting me is trying to figure out where exactly they are hiding the big toys. Usually these groups roll around with RPGs(improv or military grade), hand grenades, and sometimes improvised grenade launchers like the IRA's PRIG.[/QUOTE] The amount of firepower shown in the article is less than you would often find in a lot of normal peoples closets and gun collections around here. 50 guns and only 314 rounds of ammo between them?

Not to mention that the Cartels have their fingers in p.much every facet of gunsmithing. You got high-grade CNC mills [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_F7D4y0eG68/VZBLBIUuVHI/AAAAAAAAa9s/BMABBVwhTLI/s1600/cartel%2Bgun%2Bshop.jpg[/t] MS-13 is using their own homebrew machinepistols made with 3D Printers [t]https://homemadeguns.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/ms13gunsimproguns.jpg[/t] And pretty much every cartel group is now in an arms race to make tanks and APCs, but I'll leave you guys to look up photos of those. Without a doubt though, the cartels have already passed the uncanny valley in terms of factory quality firearms, and the longer this drug war goes on, the better their techniques are going to become. Eventually they'll be able to market illegally manufactured firearms to US consumers, and if any form of Assault Weapon Ban is passed, you can bet your ass the cartel will fill the void, no matter how much they hate the US Militia Movement.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50494174]Not to mention that the Cartels have their fingers in p.much every facet of gunsmithing. You got high-grade CNC mills [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_F7D4y0eG68/VZBLBIUuVHI/AAAAAAAAa9s/BMABBVwhTLI/s1600/cartel%2Bgun%2Bshop.jpg[/t] MS-13 is using their own homebrew machinepistols made with 3D Printers [t]https://homemadeguns.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/ms13gunsimproguns.jpg[/t] And pretty much every cartel group is now in an arms race to make tanks and APCs, but I'll leave you guys to look up photos of those. Without a doubt though, the cartels have already passed the uncanny valley in terms of factory quality firearms, and the longer this drug war goes on, the better their techniques are going to become. Eventually they'll be able to market illegally manufactured firearms to US consumers, and if any form of Assault Weapon Ban is passed, you can bet your ass the cartel will fill the void, no matter how much they hate the US Militia Movement.[/QUOTE] Business is business baby Hey, have you got more info for those hand made guns? Like, links or something like that? it would come in EXTREMELY handy as sources for an article to be published in my uni's magazine

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50494403]Business is business baby Hey, have you got more info for those hand made guns? Like, links or something like that? it would come in EXTREMELY handy as sources for an article to be published in my uni's magazine[/QUOTE] Not exactly on those guns, but you can find an amazing amount of material on [URL="https://murdercube.com/"]Murdercube.com[/URL]. Just be ready to be put on every watchlist known to man. Edit: Stand corrected... [url=http://www.laprensa.hn/sucesos/902734-410/los-capturan-con-armas-de-tecnolog%C3%ADa-avanzada-y-granadas]SPANISH - La Prensa - MS13 3D Printed Guns[/url] [url=http://knowledgeglue.com/mexican-drug-cartels-making-guns/]Knowledge Glue - How Cartels are Building Their Own Guns[/url]

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50494049]Oh look, gun control is working! Sorry, needed to take a cheap shot there. The amount of firepower being shown here is probably a fraction of the dakka these groups have. One thing which is sorta biting me is trying to figure out where exactly they are hiding the big toys. Usually these groups roll around with RPGs(improv or military grade), hand grenades, and sometimes improvised grenade launchers like the IRA's PRIG. Just to give you guys an idea... Just last year, one of the cartels actually managed to shoot down a Mexican military helicopter with an RPG. It killed six soldiers, and crash landed in the middle of a busy city. Not to even start mentioning how the cartels are starting to use IEDs to attack Mexican military patrols.[/QUOTE] Gun control hasn't even had the chance to work. Reason being that people outside of California can buy firearms in Arizona and just cross the border. In a truly gun controlled area that wouldn't happen. It's my opinion that by banning pistols, not shotguns or rifles. It'd cut down on murders with registered weapons and would also make it harder for criminals to get ahold of. Most gun violence I've seen is from handguns, not assault rifles or even regular rifles. Handguns are easier to conceal and easier to kill someone with since it's lighter and more ergonomic.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;50495167]Gun control hasn't even had the chance to work. Reason being that people outside of California can buy firearms in Arizona and just cross the border. In a truly gun controlled area that wouldn't happen. It's my opinion that by banning pistols, not shotguns or rifles. It'd cut down on murders with registered weapons and would also make it harder for criminals to get ahold of. Most gun violence I've seen is from handguns, not assault rifles or even regular rifles. Handguns are easier to conceal and easier to kill someone with since it's lighter and more ergonomic.[/QUOTE] What stops someone from making a sawn-off? Another thing to look at is the post I made above, which shows that even the cartels have access to the equipment (mostly CNC Mills) which is used for manufacturing firearms, not to mention that with gun control enacted, you would have to round up said firearms and somehow manage to find stuff like the Ghostgunner.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50498044]What stops someone from making a sawn-off? Another thing to look at is the post I made above, which shows that even the cartels have access to the equipment (mostly CNC Mills) which is used for manufacturing firearms, not to mention that with gun control enacted, you would have to round up said firearms and somehow manage to find stuff like the Ghostgunner.[/QUOTE] Considering how easy it is to own a shotgun over here, we see very few actual sawn-offs in use (that we're aware of). The exact reasons for this are a mixture of things, but contributing factors likely include; Street gangs not entering an arms race in the first place because Chad got a gun for his birthday A somewhat functional criminal justice system More than a "have you crime'd before?" check when getting the firearms in the first place Not living in a Mad Max film Public services that don't tend to just fail 90% of the population when they need them The few times we do come across modified legal firearms, they are usually caught out way before someone gets blasted, and the ones that do get used in crime tend to make you pretty high profile and then the manhunt begins.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50498076]Considering how easy it is to own a shotgun over here, we see very few actual sawn-offs in use (that we're aware of). The exact reasons for this are a mixture of things, but contributing factors likely include; Street gangs not entering an arms race in the first place because Chad got a gun for his birthday A somewhat functional criminal justice system More than a "have you crime'd before?" check when getting the firearms in the first place Not living in a Mad Max film Public services that don't tend to just fail 90% of the population when they need them The few times we do come across modified legal firearms, they are usually caught out way before someone gets blasted, and the ones that do get used in crime tend to make you pretty high profile and then the manhunt begins.[/QUOTE] What does any of this have to do with firearms in America?

[QUOTE=srobins;50498101]What does any of this have to do with firearms in America?[/QUOTE] That the availability of shotguns isn't going to result in sawn off shotguns to take the place of pistols should pistol ownership be restricted? Yeah they're concealable, but they're not as concealable as most pistols at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50498107]That the availability of shotguns isn't going to result in sawn off shotguns to take the place of pistols should pistol ownership be restricted? Yeah they're concealable, but they're not as concealable as most pistols at the end of the day.[/QUOTE] Your post describes a number of serious differences between the UK and US that demonstrate why that comparison doesn't hold up. Just because people don't make sawn-offs in the UK doesn't mean they won't do it in the US.

[QUOTE=srobins;50498117]Your post describes a number of serious differences between the UK and US that demonstrate why that comparison doesn't hold up. Just because people don't make sawn-offs in the UK doesn't mean they won't do it in the US.[/QUOTE] "Just because something happens somewhere where shotguns are legal and handguns illegal, doesn't mean it would happen somewhere else if shotguns were legal and handguns illegal" I agree that demographics are different but at the same time if you never give it the chance to work you never know what would happen. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50498044]What stops someone from making a sawn-off? Another thing to look at is the post I made above, which shows that even the cartels have access to the equipment (mostly CNC Mills) which is used for manufacturing firearms, not to mention that with gun control enacted, you would have to round up said firearms and somehow manage to find stuff like the Ghostgunner.[/QUOTE] Anyone who owns a shotguntoday can also make a sawed off.

And some people do. It's not an uncommon thing for gangs to make sawnoff weapons. One common weapon used in drivebys is a 10/22 with a sawn-off barrel and sear modification. Doing so gives you a weapon capable of firing at 600 rounds per minute. My point being here is this: Why make it illegal for civilians to own a firearm based on barrel length, if the gangs and such will just make shorter firearms with simple tools. The same argument was used to outlaw suppressors as several groups tried to state, "well we can prevent poachers by making all suppressors hard to purchase!" and yet that didn't stop poachers from poaching. Most of them switched to large bore air rifles with suppressors bought from overseas.

i get sick of seeing "oh it works over here so you should enact it" to those people i don't think you understand how complex fighting illegal gun use here in the state's are. First off we are right next to mexico where illegal guns flow from get sold "underground" and leaves the law abiding citizens vulnerable to a barage of gang related violence and that's just one of the many possible outcomes of gun bans. Secondly UK is not connected to mexico so getting guns over there is much riskier, i personally used to have a connect to buy dirty guns that have body count's on them or a fresh ghost gun it's really not that hard to get a hold of so even if we did ban guns the black market is flowing with them and most criminals are not stupid.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50507007]And some people do. It's not an uncommon thing for gangs to make sawnoff weapons. One common weapon used in drivebys is a 10/22 with a sawn-off barrel and sear modification. Doing so gives you a weapon capable of firing at 600 rounds per minute. My point being here is this: Why make it illegal for civilians to own a firearm based on barrel length, if the gangs and such will just make shorter firearms with simple tools. The same argument was used to outlaw suppressors as several groups tried to state, "well we can prevent poachers by making all suppressors are to purchase!" and yet that didn't stop poachers from poaching. Most of them switched to large bore air rifles with suppressors bought from overseas.[/QUOTE] I fail to see how a sawed off rifle, modified to the balls Is relevant to handguns being illegal. If gangs have those types of weapon they're already far beyond anything the civilians can get their hands on. There's no point then, to having the same type of weapons legal as it produces a spread of them. The problem with firearms isn't that they themselves are more destructive than the other, in my opinion the exception is handguns, but the fact that I could literally go to the corner and buy a 1911 from a dealer who stole it from somewhere else, for less than 120$. The argument that civilians should have access to weapons like criminals or military doesn't hold up for a few reasons. First being that the military and criminal elements already far outclass a redneck in southern Missouri's arsenal, and the fact that both have access to APC and tanks. Civilians don't need that type of weaponry, and increasing access to those types of weapon only makes the spread greater and it easier for criminals to get ahold of them. Just look at the op- I was accused of not knowing what an ar-15 was when I said I've seen gangsters with them and now ar-15s have been taken from drug runners. The point I'm making for handguns is actually quite simple. There are more deaths attributed to handguns than any other weapon. Because they can be concealed, are smaller, and at a certain range deadlier than a rifle, all while being able to be suppressed. In any case a suppressor is a lot more different than a actual receiver or gun. The simple fact is if you stop the supply you stop the use of the weapon.

[QUOTE=XenArtifact;50507502]i get sick of seeing "oh it works over here so you should enact it" to those people i don't think you understand how complex fighting illegal gun use here in the state's are. First off we are right next to mexico where illegal guns flow from get sold "underground" and leaves the law abiding citizens vulnerable to a barage of gang related violence and that's just one of the many possible outcomes of gun bans. Secondly UK is not connected to mexico so getting guns over there is much riskier, i personally used to have a connect to buy dirty guns that have body count's on them or a fresh ghost gun it's really not that hard to get a hold of so even if we did ban guns the black market is flowing with them and most criminals are not stupid.[/QUOTE] And why is Canada also doing great in terms of mass-shootings and gun laws? It's like everyone forgets we're right here

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50498076]contributing factors likely include; Street gangs not entering an arms race in the first place because Chad got a gun for his birthday A somewhat functional criminal justice system More than a "have you crime'd before?" check when getting the firearms in the first place Not living in a Mad Max film Public services that don't tend to just fail 90% of the population when they need them [/QUOTE] You do realize if you're trying to communicate what you (inaccurately) think it is like to live in the US, you should probably put at least one thing in your post that accurately describes living there... right? [quote]Street gangs not entering an arms race in the first place because Chad got a gun for his birthday[/quote] Gangs aren't entering an arms race because someone gets a gun for their birthday, I don't even really get what you're trying to say here. If anything, it's to compete against other gangs, not the law-abiding populace. [quote]A somewhat functional criminal justice system[/quote] Criminal justice system here isn't perfect, but it is functional for the large majority of crimes and cases. It has it's issues, I can give you that, probably your most legit point. [quote]More than a "have you crime'd before?" check when getting the firearms in the first place[/quote] NICS and the like runs through a database to screen people who have been admitted to a mental facility against their will. That and crime are all it needs to check. [quote]Not living in a Mad Max film Public services that don't tend to just fail 90% of the population when they need them[/quote] One of these is just you trying (and failing) to be witty as per usual and the other is a wildly inaccurate statistic pulled out of your ass. You chime in on this stuff a lot, I sort of hoped you would have just learned something by proxy by now, but I guess you haven't...?

[QUOTE=flamehead5;50511539]And why is Canada also doing great in terms of mass-shootings and gun laws? It's like everyone forgets we're right here[/QUOTE] it's not that we forget and maybe that's because you guys have a mandatory background check which includes "criminal, mental health, addiction, and domestic violence records," notes the Library of Congress. Licensing and registration is handled on the national level and must be renewed every five years. but even if we did that here we have still have the black market to deal with canada still has illegal firearms flowing through it, again done by criminals who aren't stupid. unlike here we people get caught because of a mistake.