Machine Pistols from "Home Workshop Guns" appearing in Austrailia - Polidicks

[quote][t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/752346709234791.jpg[/t] [B]A few more interesting homemade submachine guns have appeared among firearms seized by West Australian police.[/B] [B]Below is a version of the Bill Holmes home workshop SMG design:[/B] [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/billholmessubmachinegunaustralia-improguns.jpg[/t] [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/holmescover.jpg[/t] [B]This example is a copy of the S&W M76 and accepts Sterling SMG magazines.[/B] [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sterlingm76aus.jpg[/t] [B]This interesting looking example slightly resembles the Australian F1 smg, but with the magazine position reversed and what appears to be an integral suppressor.[/B] [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/oddhomemadeaustraliansmg-improgunsjpg.jpg[/t] [B]An obligatory P.A Luty expedient machine pistol also[/B] [url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/04/australian-motorcycle-gang-diy-firearms-surface/][B]makes a return[/B][/url]: [t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lutyseizedinaus.jpg[/t] [/quote] [url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/05/bill-holmes-homemade-smg-others-spotted-australia/]Firearm Blog[/url] This was on some news channels earlier. Supposedly a few underground gunsmith rings in Australia have been getting busted, and several different types of firearms are surfacing. The most common is the Luty, Bill Holmes, and Mac-11/Mac-10. Trying to find a better news source, but not many non-far right news sources report on this outside of a few gun websites. Either way though, it is truly amazing the variety of firearms that are popping up. The Australian police departments are seeing designs that range from stuff made in the 2nd World War, all the way to more recent designs that were made in "educational" books by Anti-Control guys. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we started to see firearms from the /k/ DIY guides. [url=http://i.imgur.com/Syptrdl.jpg]Things like the /K/ommando Special[/url] are pretty straight forward in terms of firearm building, and some of the other stuff on /K/, such as how to build shotgun shell landmines, how to build machine pistols, shotguns, revolvers... I'd imagine it's only a matter of time. Still though, Australia should really go about hiring these guys to design weapons for their military, I mean seriously. These guys not only designed weapons for the underground market, but they are also mass producing them to such a degree that ten to twenty percent of all firearms seized in Australia are homemade. That's gotta say something man in terms of how useful some of these guys could be for designing weapons that could be supplied to groups like the Kurds in Iraq.

doesn't have the DIY look of your typical pre-international intervention syrian assault weapon, but they gotta lotta dakka

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45628561] Still though, Australia should really go about hiring these guys to design weapons for their military, I mean seriously. These guys not only designed weapons for the underground market, but they are also mass producing them to such a degree that ten to twenty percent of all firearms seized in Australia are homemade. That's gotta say something man in terms of how useful some of these guys could be for designing weapons that could be supplied to groups like the Kurds in Iraq.[/QUOTE] I don't think so. Making weapons in general is cheap. The reason these people are designing and making them is because there's a huge underground market for guns. Since gun laws in australia are rather harsh it is easier to get a homemade one if you're a gang member or similar. For legit use we can already make a ton of cheap guns and send them off to middle east or whatever. Those homemade gun designs are nothing marvelous, just copies of existing ones really. Simplified for making at home. Something like a mac-10 is stupidly simple and easy to make if you got a bit of metalworking skill.

The NSWPF has also been seizing lots of weapons as of late.. [QUOTE]Still though, Australia should really go about hiring these guys to design weapons for their military, I mean seriously. These guys not only designed weapons for the underground market, but they are also mass producing them to such a degree that ten to twenty percent of all firearms seized in Australia are homemade. That's gotta say something man in terms of how useful some of these guys could be for designing weapons that could be supplied to groups like the Kurds in Iraq.[/QUOTE] That sounds like a really bad idea. Homemade amateur firearms have no assurances to safety, and they don't have the same accuracy/'margin of error' in measurements as proper weapons manufacturers.

Somewhere there's Chechens looking at this stuff; and like Verrocchio looking at the angel Leonardo painted, feel their work to be inadequate :v:

Well to be honest the design of a gun is rather simple, I'd think that any moderately equipped machining shop could manufacture their own firearms.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45628605]The NSWPF has also been seizing lots of weapons as of late.. That sounds like a really bad idea. [B]Homemade amateur firearms have no assurances to safety[/B], and they don't have the same accuracy/'margin of error' in measurements as proper weapons manufacturers.[/QUOTE] So we go Phoenix Program and intercept weapon caches belonging to the Taliban, and put these into them. It's like... The best plan. Not only will our enemies still think these weapons are out of places like Al-Darra, but when they use them, it'll go glocknade.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45628561][url=http://i.imgur.com/Syptrdl.jpg]Things like the /K/ommando Special[/url][/QUOTE] dafuq is Holo doing at the bottom of that thing?

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;45628692]dafuq is Holo doing at the bottom of that thing?[/QUOTE] Reagy confirmed for Luty

That's what you get for way too overly restricted firearm laws.

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45628704]That's what you get for way too overly restricted firearm laws.[/QUOTE] Regardless of how good/safe/bad/dangerous something is, laws will always create a blackmarket. Heck, if they banned keyboards tomorrow I'd be crossing the border to PNG for some sick profits

By the way... You know what the Australian government should do with these firearms? They should host some sort of Youtube channel called "Dangerous Streets" or something like that where they take weapons that have be been taken from criminal gangs, and showcase them. Like this is how it can be done... 00:00:00 - 00:00:30; Brief intro showing the weapon and mugshots from the crime group it was taken from. Talk about the name of the firearm, name of convicts, region it was taken from, ect. 00:00:30 - 00:03:00; Talk about the crimes that the gang/individual was involved in, and showcase the firearm and talk about the specs of it. Rate of fire, weapon type, how it works. 00:03:00 - 00:06:00; Disassemble the firearm, and show the innards of how it works and such, show the round it fires, use one round on ballistics gel to show the damage and effects it would have on the human body. Reassemble the firearm, and then for the last thirty seconds, fire an entire magazine/magwell into ballistics gel/target. It would be such an awesome show, and not to mention that it would show some of these weapons that are getting onto the streets. Possibly encouraging people to look into better legislation or to give better funding to law enforcement, and possibly to look into criminal rehabilitation to keep these types of weapons off the streets.

I still only want Airsoft.

This is exactly why people crying about 3D printed guns is stupid. It's much simpler and more effective to build them out of bits of pipe/metal in a small workshop.

It's fine craftsmanship, but it's a damn shame its happening. These end up in the hands of criminal organizations :(

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45628920]It's fine craftsmanship, but it's a damn shame its happening. These end up in the hands of criminal organizations :([/QUOTE] Not always, often they are made in garden sheds and end up in the hands of some outback enthusiast with nothing better to do, just because it's an illegally manufactured firearm doesn't mean that the maker is going to be handing them out to every tom dick and harry. also I'm getting some Mad Max vibes from some of those guns lol

[QUOTE=Mabus;45628949]Not always, often they are made in garden sheds and end up in the hands of some outback enthusiast with nothing better to do, just because it's an illegally manufactured firearm doesn't mean that the maker is going to be handing them out to every tom dick and harry.[/QUOTE] Except the part where they were mass producing and selling these, that's not exactly "nothing better to do"

Another "DIY Guide" from Wheat God on /K/ [t]http://i.imgur.com/s67GM9Y.jpg[/t] This guide is about how to make a hand grenade. Remember kids, Reagy is Luty.

[QUOTE=Mabus;45628949]Not always, often they are made in garden sheds and end up in the hands of some outback enthusiast with nothing better to do, just because it's an illegally manufactured firearm doesn't mean that the maker is going to be handing them out to every tom dick and harry. also I'm getting some Mad Max vibes from some of those guns lol[/QUOTE] If you are gonna get a gun for recreation you might as well get it legitimately instead of having to duct tape together a machine pistol. It's safer and better for everyone.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45629060]Another "DIY Guide" from Wheat God on /K/ [t]http://i.imgur.com/s67GM9Y.jpg[/t] This guide is about how to make a hand grenade. Remember kids, Reagy is Luty.[/QUOTE] Does this even last for more than one shot?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45629180]Does this even last for more than one shot?[/QUOTE] It's a suppressor for the handgun in the top picture. I'd imagine that some issues would arise with any higher caliber then .22

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45629225]It's a suppressor for the handgun in the top picture. I'd imagine that some issues would arise with any higher caliber then .22[/QUOTE] Yeah that "handgun" also looks like it'd explode after first shot or something.

Fuck I've been found.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45629060]Another "DIY Guide" from Wheat God on /K/ Pic This guide is about how to make a hand grenade. Remember kids, Reagy is Luty.[/QUOTE] This material seems highly inappropriate.. Are you even allowed to post this?

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45629320]This material seems highly inappropriate.. Are you even allowed to post this?[/QUOTE] I don't really see anything wrong with it, this is stuff you can find easily with little effort. Its like showing people how to break locks using bump keys and how to make them, informative but not saying you should do it.

lel I've seen guides for how to make these things and more on /k/ for months now it aint hard

Make ammo harder to get, can go to rifle ranges and walk out with .22's pretty easy.

No wonder police in Queensland are stepping up, this shit is a major danger to the G20

[QUOTE=RustledJimmys;45628704]That's what you get for way too overly restricted firearm laws.[/QUOTE] What that you leave criminals with rare, dangerous, expensive substandard weapons? Excuse me while I cry into my pillow at night at their loss.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45629320]This material seems highly inappropriate.. Are you even allowed to post this?[/QUOTE] It's legal in the US iirc, just don't sell it our anything