Hitachi engineering unveils the world's first 3,5" 10TB harddrive - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.pdm.com.co/images/Noticias/Images Noticias Dic01-2007 - Feb29-2008/Samsung 1TB 3.5 pulgadas disco duro.JPG[/IMG] [quote][B] With the help of the noble gas helium, and the technology "[B]Shingled Magnetic Recording", the Western Digital-owned company Hitachi reaches new heights, with a 10TB harddrive meant for datacentres and archive-storaging. [/B][/B]As more and more data gets moved to "the cloud", the demand for more capacity increases at datacentres, something which has once again breathed new life into the harddrive industry. This has driven both Seagate and Western Digital to spend more in R&D, in order to create 3,5" harddrives with more storage capacity than ever before. Now Hitachi's managed to create a 3,5" harddrive which reaches the almost magical 10TB milestone. The still unnamed drive is filled with helium, which brings a lot of advantages compared to traditional drives. Above all, it provides a lower internal resistance and turbulance, which makes it possible to place the platters closer to each other. But helium isn't the only key to reach the record-high capacity. Another one is the use of the technology "Shingled Magnetic Recording" (SMR), something which overlaps the storage tracks much like the tiles of a rooftop to save even more space. This does, however, cause a performance loss, which is why the model is aimed primarily towards archive-storing. It also turns out that all future Hitachi harddrives aimed toward the enterprise market will be heliumfilled, which will open the door to future use of "Heat-Assisted Magnetic Recording" (HAMR), which will provide a markable increase of storage capacity per each square inch, and will thus make 3,5" harddrives with a capacity as high as 60TB possible. The HAMR-technology is anticipated to be mastered by 2017. The new 10TB-model is currently being delivered to customers for validation and testing, which will be followed by complete product deliveries in the very near future. [/quote] Source: [URL]http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/19296-hitachi-gor-heliumfylld-harddisk-pa-10-tb[/URL]

Dumb, what if some forgets to bolt it down and it gets stuck on the ceiling?

Helium has this tendency to leak, a lot. (since it's a very small molecule compared to O2, N2, etc) That's some incredible sealing on those hard drives to prevent them for slowly leaking... (unless these things are designed to fail by n years)

[QUOTE=Mingebox;45942934]Dumb, what if some forgets to bolt it down and it gets stuck on the ceiling?[/QUOTE] The amount of helium in that drive wouldn't be enough to lift a single plate, much less the whole thing.

[QUOTE=Angus725;45942950]Helium has this tendency to leak, a lot. (since it's a very small molecule compared to O2, N2, etc) That's some incredible sealing on those hard drives to prevent them for slowly leaking... (unless these things are designed to fail by n years)[/QUOTE] Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose if it was designed to fail? I highly doubt people would want to backup or archive stuff on a shitty disk.

[QUOTE=MR-X;45942965]Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose if it was designed to fail? I highly doubt people would want to backup or archive stuff on a shitty disk.[/QUOTE] It all depends on how it practically works, if it gets released. Otherwise it may have to be scrapped for a different design, but testing will show what will happen with time.

[QUOTE=MR-X;45942965]Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose if it was designed to fail? I highly doubt people would want to backup or archive stuff on a shitty disk.[/QUOTE] As in, I'm concerned about the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures]MTBF[/url].

then suddenly a hard drive failure

Love it. I have been disappointed by the lack of advancement in hard disk capacity. I understand that most normal consumers don't need it, but especially for video editors, and then everyone else doing 3D work, photography, design and whatnot you just can't get enough space on a harddisk. External Harddrives seems to have become the new CD, with people having a bunch of them that they have to label just to keep track on what they have stored laying all around the place. So not only do you have to deal with the horrors or properly organizing and naming the content in your drives, but you have to try and organize disks as well. It's even more weird considering the need for harddrive farms, like the article points out. There is a huge waste of materials when you have to chock towers full of relatively small disks. Filling giant warehouses and whatnot with containers filled with server towers that are chock full of harddisks. Making them bigger isn't just a convencience, but a must to reduce completely unnecessary waste. [QUOTE=SexualShark;45942998]then suddenly a hard drive failure[/QUOTE] Anyone worried about that has a backup.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;45942934]Dumb, what if some forgets to bolt it down and it gets stuck on the ceiling?[/QUOTE] Then it becomes part of the cloud.

[quote]But helium isn't the only key to reach the record-high capacity. Another one is the use of the technology "Shingled Magnetic Recording" (SMR), something which overlaps the storage tracks much like the tiles of a rooftop to save even more space. [b]This does, however, provide a performance loss, which is why the model is aimed primarily towards archive-storing.[/b][/quote] I wonder to what extent the performance is impacted.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45942958]The amount of helium in that drive wouldn't be enough to lift a single plate, much less the whole thing.[/QUOTE] Putting more helium in wouldn't help either, though.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45943069]Putting more helium in wouldn't help either, though.[/QUOTE] why are you guys weighing in on a blatant helium joke

[QUOTE=dai;45943108]why are you guys weighing in on a blatant helium joke[/QUOTE] to bring it back down from its cloud.

Neato. I know there is a established market for the standard 3.5" drive, but wouldn't it be possible to cram more capacity into something like 5.25"? Desktops still sport multiple (pointless) bays for CD/DVD drives and I always end up just replacing them with the slot covers (which vibrate and I have to shim). Can't imagine it would be too much of a problem in server world. Why not make use of 5.25" to relieve the need for miniaturization a bit? Seems like it would allow for slightly larger diameters and at least another platter. -edit Remembering the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bigfoot_(hard_drive)"]Quantum Bigfoot[/URL] drives, but I don't remember any big problems with them at the time.

[QUOTE=dgg;45943004]Love it. I have been disappointed by the lack of advancement in hard disk capacity. I understand that most normal consumers don't need it, but especially for video editors, and then everyone else doing 3D work, photography, design and whatnot you just can't get enough space on a harddisk. External Harddrives seems to have become the new CD, with people having a bunch of them that they have to label just to keep track on what they have stored laying all around the place. So not only do you have to deal with the horrors or properly organizing and naming the content in your drives, but you have to try and organize disks as well. It's even more weird considering the need for harddrive farms, like the article points out. There is a huge waste of materials when you have to chock towers full of relatively small disks. Filling giant warehouses and whatnot with containers filled with server towers that are chock full of harddisks. Making them bigger isn't just a convencience, but a must to reduce completely unnecessary waste. Anyone worried about that has a backup.[/QUOTE] I hadn't really been paying attention to HDD tech myself since I find current HDD capacities to be pretty decent, but now that you mention it HDDs haven't really grown past 3 or 4 TB in storage in one drive in like 3 or 4 years. The fact they're having to use exotic methods like helium and methods of patterning data for density seems to indicate that we're reaching reasonable limits for HDD platter density/capacity. Given the dropping price per GB for SSDs and Moore's law allowing higher densities I wonder how much longer it'll be before HDDs go the way of the vacuum tube and SSDs become the cheaper/superior storage for high data density/capacity. It would be nice if they become reasonable to use as the primary storage standard for both archiving and regular use sometime in the next 5 years. [editline]10th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=tirpider;45943210]Neato. I know there is a established market for the standard 3.5" drive, but wouldn't it be possible to cram more capacity into something like 5.25"? Desktops still sport multiple (pointless) bays for CD/DVD drives and I always end up just replacing them with the slot covers (which vibrate and I have to shim). Can't imagine it would be too much of a problem in server world. Why not make use of 5.25" to relieve the need for miniaturization a bit? Seems like it would allow for slightly larger diameters and at least another platter. -edit Remembering the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Bigfoot_(hard_drive)"]Quantum Bigfoot[/URL] drives, but I don't remember any big problems with them at the time.[/QUOTE] I suspect there are pretty major compromises made to MTBF as well as to random read/write speeds given the larger distances the heads have to travel and the overall larger mass of the moving objects in the drive.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45943123]to bring it back down from its cloud.[/QUOTE]Was it on Mick Jagger's cloud?

[QUOTE=dai;45943108]why are you guys weighing in on a blatant helium joke[/QUOTE] Why don't you lighten up a bit, don't be such a duke.

Might be a dumb question but why do hard drives in datacentres have to be the 3.5" standard? Why can't we have giant vinyl sized hard disks.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45943448]Why don't you lighten up a bit, don't be such a duke.[/QUOTE] Keep on talking, boy, and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Chamango;45943849]Might be a dumb question but why do hard drives in datacentres have to be the 3.5" standard? Why can't we have giant vinyl sized hard disks.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://b.vimeocdn.com/ts/165/193/165193279_640.jpg[/IMG] ? in reality,the read write speed would be atrocious, i think.

great another use for our very small supply of helium, we really gotta start building that back up

[QUOTE=Chamango;45943849]Might be a dumb question but why do hard drives in datacentres have to be the 3.5" standard? Why can't we have giant vinyl sized hard disks.[/QUOTE] Cost, a lot of DCs and co located servers still use consumer drives.

[QUOTE=Chamango;45943849]Might be a dumb question but why do hard drives in datacentres have to be the 3.5" standard? Why can't we have giant vinyl sized hard disks.[/QUOTE] R/W speed would be stupid. We have tape for that :) Also think, larger object = more heat generated.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45942958]The amount of helium in that drive wouldn't be enough to lift a single plate, much less the whole thing.[/QUOTE] The joke drifted over your head...you know...like helium [sp]I'm so sorry, don't hate me Zone[/sp]

[QUOTE=Angus725;45942950]Helium has this tendency to leak, a lot. (since it's a very small molecule compared to O2, N2, etc) That's some incredible sealing on those hard drives to prevent them for slowly leaking... (unless these things are designed to fail by n years)[/QUOTE] This plus the fact that the thing is filled with fucking helium tells me that it's going to cost several arms and legs.

[QUOTE=Apollo2947;45943902]in reality,the read write speed would be atrocious, i think.[/QUOTE] Well that's why you make it nuclear powered, using pistons and a 20,000 horsepower high-impulse engine in order to achieve nominal write speeds

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45944083]This plus the fact that the thing is filled with fucking helium tells me that it's going to cost several arms and legs.[/QUOTE] Naaaah. If Bobo the neighborhood clown can use it for balloons at his birthday gigs, then it's still cheap

Sweet, even more porn!

I'm going to get like 100 of these and install them in my computer so my desktop can float so I feel like a wizard.