Alan Moore slams Frank Miller for ‘Occupy Wall Street’ comments - Polidicks

[B]Alan Moore slams Frank Miller for ‘Occupy Wall Street’ comments[/B] [release]“Occupy Wall Street” has accomplished many things in its over two month existence. And now, the latest accomplishment could be starting a war between prominent comic book figures Frank Miller and Alan Moore. In responding to Miller’s remorseless slamming of the protests last month on his blog, Moore wasn’t afraid to tell Honest Publishing in an interview how he really felt about the Sin City creator. “Well, Frank Miller is someone whose work I’ve barely looked at for the past twenty years,” he said. “I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided. I think that there has probably been a rather unpleasant sensibility apparent in Frank Miller’s work for quite a long time. Since I don’t have anything to do with the comics industry, I don’t have anything to do with the people in it.” Moore, who is famous for creating popular series such as Watchmen and V for Vendetta, than gave his candid thoughts on both Miller’s “Occupy” comments and how he differs politically from the rest in the comics industry. “I heard about the latest outpourings regarding the Occupy movement,” he said. “It’s about what I’d expect from him. It’s always seemed to me that the majority of the comics field, if you had to place them politically, you’d have to say centre-right. That would be as far towards the liberal end of the spectrum as they would go.” “I don’t even know if I’m centre-left. I’ve been outspoken about that since the beginning of my career. So yes I think it would be fair to say that me and Frank Miller have diametrically opposing views upon all sorts of things, but certainly upon the “Occupy” movement. Moore went on to signal how he stands in solidarity with the demonstrations. “As far as I can see, the Occupy movement is just ordinary people reclaiming rights which should always have been theirs,” he said. “I can’t think of any reason why as a population we should be expected to stand by and see a gross reduction in the living standards of ourselves and our kids, possibly for generations, when the people who have got us into this have been rewarded for it; they’ve certainly not been punished in any way because they’re too big to fail.” He added: “I think that the “Occupy” movement is, in one sense, the public saying that they should be the ones to decide who’s too big to fail. It’s a completely justified howl of moral outrage and it seems to be handled in a very intelligent, non-violent way, which is probably another reason why Frank Miller would be less than pleased with it.” “I’m sure if it had been a bunch of young, sociopathic vigilantes with Batman make-up on their faces, he’d be more in favor of it. We would definitely have to agree to differ on that one.”[/release] Source: [url]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/03/alan-moore-slams-frank-miller-for-occupy-wall-street-comments/[/url]

Fuck yeah. I've always loved Moore's work, Especially The Killing Joke.

Hell yeah. I totally agree with Alan Moore's take on the Occupy movement. Though, uh, I still think 300 was a pretty badass movie.

What did Frank Miller even say in the first place?

[QUOTE=The Castro;33561475]What did Frank Miller even say in the first place?[/QUOTE] It was posted here before, one sec I'll grab an article. [editline]4th December 2011[/editline] For context [B]Frank Miller: Occupy Wall Street 'Louts, Thieves & Rapists,' Comic Writer Says[/B] [release]Frank Miller has spent much of his famed comic book writing career creating dark, urban dystopias, but the groundbreaking scribe has little regard for the chaos he says reigns at Zuccotti Park. The man behind such famed comic series as "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns," "Sin City" and "300," in fact, is entirely against the Occupy Wall Street movement. "'Occupy' is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness," Miller wrote in a blog entry last week. "These clowns can do nothing but harm America." Though, for the most part, the participants in the now-global Occupy moment have protested the imbalances of the economy, corporate fiscal abuses and government officials' close ties to Wall Street, Miller mentions the War on Terror in his slamming of the nascent movement. "Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy," he later continues. "Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you've been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you've heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism." Miller then implores protestors to join the military, or otherwise, to go "back to your mommas' basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft." In his work, Miller's protagonists often face off against corrupt government officials. Batman, in both "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Dark Knight Strikes Again" is faced with heavy governmental opposition, with the latter featuring an especially oppressive and corrupt government. In 2006, Miller announced that he would have Batman take on Osama bin Laden in "Holy Terror, Batman!" but later dropped Batman from the book; it became "Holy Terror," and has been highly criticized for being hatefully anti-Islam. In a blog entry on his own site posted in September, Miller calls the book "propaganda," a sort of throw-back to when Captain America punched Hitler, rips the news media as slanted propaganda in its own right, and says, "3000 of my neighbors were murdered. My country was, utterly unprovoked, savagely attacked. I wish all those responsible for the Atrocity of 9/11 to burn in hell."[/release] Source: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/13/frank-miller-occupy-wall-street_n_1090790.html[/url]

Last paragraph was a hell of a burn

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33561276]Fuck yeah. I've always loved Moore's work, Especially The Killing Joke.[/QUOTE] I just bought Miller's Dark Knight Returns; I kind of feel like returning now and getting Moore's The Killing Joke instead. After reading both quotes it seems as though Miller is a Racist emotion driven douchebag, while Moore speaks the voice of reason and wit.

[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;33561570]I just bought Miller's Dark Knight Returns; I kind of feel like returning now and getting Moore's The Killing Joke instead. Miller seems like a Racist emotion driven douchebag, while Moore speaks the voice of reason and wit.[/QUOTE] Dark Knight returns is a classic, if your going to read anything by Miller make it that.

I like how Alan Moore bashes the Comic book industry, and then says he doesn't know much about it. Nice way to contradict yourself. Albeit everything else is true.

[QUOTE=MarstunoM;33561370]Hell yeah. I totally agree with Alan Moore's take on the Occupy movement. Though, uh, I still think 300 was a pretty badass movie.[/QUOTE] It was OK, but the funny thing is that during the scene where Leonidas is climbing the mountain to meet the Oracle or whatever her name is, the projector broke and gradually slowed down until it stopped. Audio and all. NOONE NOTICED until the screen started turning black that the projector was slowing down. :v:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlzvtprnZiQ[/media]

[QUOTE=Higginz511;33561772][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlzvtprnZiQ[/media][/QUOTE] i like how on his blog there's a war between ignorant "patriots" and ows protestors.

I was thinking of buying Watchmen recently. though he doesn't actually get much money from it I think, DC fucked him over

Frank Miller proved himself a massive idiot with those OWS comments, but I still enjoy his work. Sin City was pretty fantastic, IMO. Alan Moore's got much more of a pedigree, though, between V for Vendetta, Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and The Killing Joke.

Frank Miller doesn't like it because there's not enough scantily clad women and the police and protesters aren't killing each other in slo-mo.

Got a copy of Watchmen sitting in my room. Still the best graphic novel I have ever read.

[quote]I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided.[/quote] totally agree with that. i didn't like em either

[quote]“Well, Frank Miller is someone whose work I’ve barely looked at for the past twenty years,” he said. “I thought the Sin City stuff was unreconstructed misogyny, 300 appeared to be wildly ahistoric, homophobic and just completely misguided. I think that there has probably been a rather unpleasant sensibility apparent in Frank Miller’s work for quite a long time. Since I don’t have anything to do with the comics industry, I don’t have anything to do with the people in it.”[/quote] Why do these things always boil down to 90% personal attacks or completely unrelated stuff and 10% actual rebuttal? It's just fucking annoying. A more appropriate title would be 'Alan Moore talks trash about Frank Miller and also throws in a sentence or two about the Occupy movement'.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33571336]Why do these things always boil down to 90% personal attacks or completely unrelated stuff and 10% actual rebuttal? It's just fucking annoying. A more appropriate title would be 'Alan Moore talks trash about Frank Miller and also throws in a sentence or two about the Occupy movement'.[/QUOTE] oh yeah because frank miller's comments were totally not personal attacks or anything

[QUOTE=thisispain;33571383]oh yeah because frank miller's comments were totally not personal attacks or anything[/QUOTE] Must've missed the part where I defended Frank Miller's comments. Oh wait.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33571404]Must've missed the part where I defended Frank Miller's comments. Oh wait.[/QUOTE] yeah but what's alan moore gonna rebut?

[QUOTE=thisispain;33571416]yeah but what's alan moore gonna rebut?[/QUOTE] I don't know but it still doesn't excuse it. Then again, hoping that Alan Moore would be the bigger man would've been stupid. Nobody ever does. It just turns into another 'he did therefore I can do it too' finger-pointing.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33571206]totally agree with that. i didn't like em either[/QUOTE] If 300 the movie is anything to go off, I have trouble understanding how 300 was in any way homophobic I thought it actually had quite a few homosexual implications really

[QUOTE=killerteacup;33571442]If 300 the movie is anything to go off, I have trouble understanding how 300 was in any way homophobic[/QUOTE] well no the movie isn't anything to go off of, but one could say having an effeminate villain rub his hands on the hero who's gonna kill his ass constitutes as homophobic.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33571498]well no the movie isn't anything to go off of, but one could say having an effeminate villain rub his hands on the hero who's gonna kill his ass constitutes as homophobic.[/QUOTE] And that's homophobic rather than homo-erotic.....how?

neeerd fiiiight

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33571617]And that's homophobic rather than homo-erotic.....how?[/QUOTE] umm it's pretty common for the evil guy to be ambiguously gay. here have some cracked: [url]http://www.cracked.com/article_15989_hollywoods-6-favorite-offensive-stereotypes.html[/url]

[QUOTE=thisispain;33571684]umm it's pretty common for the evil guy to be ambiguously gay. here have some cracked: [url]http://www.cracked.com/article_15989_hollywoods-6-favorite-offensive-stereotypes.html[/url][/QUOTE] Okay, putting my hands up, you got me on that one. If only because of my ignorance on that stuff.

nvm

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33571716]Okay, putting my hands up, you got me on that one. If only because of my ignorance on that stuff.[/QUOTE] You're doing it wrong. This is the part where you tell him he's gay and can go 'suck himself'