• Microsoft Will Cease Support Of Windows Phone 8 In 2014
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[quote]The end of life for Windows Phone 8 is on the horizon. Don’t worry, this isn't the end of Windows on mobile - it's just standard operating procedure. On its product lifecyle page, Microsoft says that it will cease support for Windows Phone 7.8 and Windows 8 within the next 18 months. Both forks of the operating system will cease to be supported by Microsoft in 2014. Windows Phone 7.8 support will end on Sept. 9, 2014 while Windows Phone 8 support will come July 8, 2014. According to Microsoft’s support page: [quote]Microsoft will make updates available for the Operating System on your phone, including security updates, for a period of 18 months after the lifecycle start date. Distribution of the updates may be controlled by the mobile operator or the phone manufacturer from which you purchased your phone. Update availability will also vary by country, region, and hardware capabilities.[/quote][/quote] [url=http://readwrite.com/2013/03/18/microsoft-will-cease-support-of-windows-phone-8-in-2014]READ MORE[/url]
I'm so tired of having to upgrade my device each time they pull an update. I just got the Lumia 920 too. I guess I'll join the iPhone crowd since I'm not too fond of Android.
This is so misleading. They're saying there will be new versions of the Windows phone OS by then. [quote]By the time support for Windows 7.8/8 ceases, Microsoft will likely have issued one or two updates to the Windows Phone to replace the older versions.[/quote] [quote]Apple and Google operate in similar functions as older versions of iOS and Android (like Android 2.1 Éclair or 2.2 Froyo or iOS 4.0) tend not to see any critical updates after a year-and-a-half or so.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;39957244]This is so misleading. They're saying there will be new versions of the Windows phone OS by then.[/QUOTE] Right, which in order to use all of the brand new features, you MUST upgrade your phone. I experienced the same thing when I had a Samsung Focus. If I recall, not even six months after it was out they announced Windows Phone 8 and how current devices will not be supported. EDIT: Unless I misread the article, I'm assuming once the new Windows Phone OS comes out, they're discontinuing support for existing devices (i.e. upgrade-ability to new OS)
Windows Phone 8 support will probably be dropped as a result of Windows Phone Blue (probably 8.5) that's to come out later this year. So it's like them no longer support SP0. Update to continue getting support. Nothing really to worry about considering the updates are free.
Soooo this won't be like the change from WP7 to WP8 where none of the old devices can upgrade to the new OS right?
[QUOTE=SparkDog;39958004]Soooo this won't be like the change from WP7 to WP8 where none of the old devices can upgrade to the new OS right?[/QUOTE] Likely not. Since it's one of the reasons they apparently changed the kernel from CE to NT as well.
[QUOTE]Windows Phone 7.8 support will end on Sept. 9, 2014 [/QUOTE] Thank fuck my contract on Optus expires in July, but I'm saving my money up to get an android phone maybe the new nexus that comes out later this year and just riding through my contract till the end because I feel ripped to be on my lumia 800 Poorest choice to jump onto it, the phones fine just that the amount of support and features supplied is a rip
[QUOTE=SparkDog;39958004]Soooo this won't be like the change from WP7 to WP8 where none of the old devices can upgrade to the new OS right?[/QUOTE] It'll be like the 7 to 7.5 update.
[QUOTE=Jbeardoo;39957286]Right, which in order to use all of the brand new features, you MUST upgrade your phone. I experienced the same thing when I had a Samsung Focus. If I recall, not even six months after it was out they announced Windows Phone 8 and how current devices will not be supported. EDIT: Unless I misread the article, I'm assuming once the new Windows Phone OS comes out, they're discontinuing support for existing devices (i.e. upgrade-ability to new OS)[/QUOTE] This is not true at all. [B]MS have confirmed that they are not doing another case of Windows 7 again. As in, users of WP8 now will not suddenly have support drop off and have to buy new hardware to take advantage of future updates in the platform.[/B] In [I]other words[/I] WP8 will continue for about 18 months and be updated, and users should be able to upgrade to whatever the next version might be. The problem with the transition between WP7 and WP8 was that WP7 had all of these hardware-level restrictions built in, such as not supporting higher ram ammounts, SD cards, LTE, multi-core processing, etc. WP8 has no such hardware setbacks, and as such they are more free to continue updating the windows phone OS without needing to force everyone to get new phones. [editline]18th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;39958237]Thank fuck my contract on Optus expires in July, but I'm saving my money up to get an android phone maybe the new nexus that comes out later this year and just riding through my contract till the end because I feel ripped to be on my lumia 800 Poorest choice to jump onto it, the phones fine just that the amount of support and features supplied is a rip[/QUOTE] Problem with wp7 was that it was MS's first attempt and as such the OS literally had zero support for many modern phone features and was very restricted/picky with hardware specs. The only way to continue updating was to require a new phone because their new OS actually is developed enough in the backend to support all this stuff.
[QUOTE=KorJax;39958663]This is not true at all. [B]MS have confirmed that they are not doing another case of Windows 7 again. As in, users of WP8 now will not suddenly have support drop off and have to buy new hardware to take advantage of future updates in the platform.[/B] In [I]other words[/I] WP8 will continue for about 18 months and be updated, and users should be able to upgrade to whatever the next version might be. The problem with the transition between WP7 and WP8 was that WP7 had all of these hardware-level restrictions built in, such as not supporting higher ram ammounts, SD cards, LTE, multi-core processing, etc. WP8 has no such hardware setbacks, and as such they are more free to continue updating the windows phone OS without needing to force everyone to get new phones.[/QUOTE] WP7 supported SD cards through making a logical storage volume consisting of the internal storage and the SD card, see the Samsung Focus. Also it supports LTE as seen in the Lumia 900. And in fact, WP8 has similar restrictions, and Microsoft would need to update the OS to accommodate changes. For example, you can't make a WP8 device with a 1920x1080 panel, and HTC had to shelf development of one until Microsoft updates the OS with proper assets and support. There are also no devices using Snapdragon S4 pro chips because it doesn't support them at the moment. Altering the OS to accommodate them is not a huge deal, but the change from WP7 to WP8 and the drop of support was much more to do with the change in kernel from CE to NT.
Still BS. Bought a WP7, few months later, "Ooops, you bought the beta phone LOL. WP8." The fuck you doing Microsoft
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39958937]Still better than Android, support is dropped the pico-second they release the fucking device.[/QUOTE] That statement needs a massive fucking disclaimer of that's only true for some devices. My Galaxy Nexus continues to get updates for every new version that comes out, I just got 4.2.1 yesterday for example. Yes, google should try to enforce companies all doing this but it's still not correct to claim all android devices lack support and updates.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39958937]Still better than Android, support is dropped the pico-second they release the fucking device.[/QUOTE] do you come into every thread about mobile phones just to rip on android
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39960297]I think you mean "most" devices, only the few flagship handsets get one or two updates, the rest get none.[/QUOTE] Either way it's still factually incorrect to claim that Android devices do not get updates. It's not really fair to compare competing devices with the worst of Android. Obviously a $10 knockoff Android phone is going to be worse in basically every way than an iPhone or Windows Phone, but it's not really fair to say Android is a worse platform because of that. As a side note many non-flagship devices will have custom ROMs you can upgrade to the current version with, though I wouldn't consider this a major bonus since most people would not want to touch that.
I got a windows phone because I've had android phones and wanted to try something else. I uh, kind of regret it, there are like no apps.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39960550]Either way it's still factually incorrect to claim that Android devices do not get updates. It's not really fair to compare competing devices with the worst of Android. Obviously a $10 knockoff Android phone is going to be worse in basically every way than an iPhone or Windows Phone, but it's not really fair to say Android is a worse platform because of that. As a side note many non-flagship devices will have custom ROMs you can upgrade to the current version with, though I wouldn't consider this a major bonus since most people would not want to touch that.[/QUOTE] Really, I'll say that Android is a great platform [I]despite[/I] this problem. Still, it's ridiculous that my little brother's phone - released in 2012 - launched with 2.3, and the update to some of the newer versions isn't available where we live for some reason. It's a serious problem, and the OEMs need to sort it out.
[QUOTE=Scoooooby;39961341]I got a windows phone because I've had android phones and wanted to try something else. I uh, kind of regret it, there are like no apps.[/QUOTE] I've found an app or an equivalent app for everything I used on my android tablet except pandora (even then nokia music pretty much does the same thing with zero ads too might I add, and I can stream pandora through the browser on a locked screen if I wanted to as well), and unlike android, just about all of them blow the android app equivalents out of the water in quality, UI and user experience. I find that the general quality and user experience of apps on wp8 far surpasses android. And with the lumia 620 you can get an entry level Wp8 phone for about the same price as a cheap android, with apps that are usually better quality than android equivalents and with an OS that simply runs much more efficently, fluid, and "like a high-end smartphone" than android does on low end devices. There are some apps too that aren't on any platform except for wp8 such as proshot which I love. Basically "unlocks" the phone camera to work like a DSLR, you can take some amazing pics with it Android is nice if you've got a good phone with good manfuacturer features/apps I think. Despite how cluttered my BF's HTC is it runs decently enough and theres a variety of things he can do with it. But you have to admit low end androids are seriously not that great unless you are just using the phone as a basic smartphone. My sister has a low end android and it's one of the reasons why I opted for WP8, along with my android tablet which is nice but has its performance/stability issues (it doesn't have the same performance level as a top end android phone would). My windows phone feels like a device that is a cross between the freedom of android and the closed nature of iphone, and for me that fits what I want a smartphone to be able to do perfectly. The UI is very efficent, fluid and fast and the OS always runs smooth no matter what, which makes it more productive and helpful for me to use than an android phone when using my actual phone features. But yet it isn't as closed off and restricted as iphone, and not NEARLY as expensive, despite offering the same level of "fluidity".
Honestly, if you want to get a phone in the 300-400 range you MUST choose WP or else you'll just waste your money. Low end Windows Phone run just as well as the high end ones, only that they have shittier cameras and may not run some games (though this is a rare thing). Meanwhile, a 300$ Android phone is literally the worst experience ever: Laggy as shit, unstable, doesn't get updates, doesn't run a ton of apps. Nokia puts out some really nice mid and low tier phones.
[QUOTE=barttool;39962485]Honestly, if you want to get a phone in the 300-400 range you MUST choose WP or else you'll just waste your money. Low end Windows Phone run just as well as the high end ones, only that they have shittier cameras and may not run some games (though this is a rare thing). Meanwhile, a 300$ Android phone is literally the worst experience ever: Laggy as shit, unstable, doesn't get updates, doesn't run a ton of apps. Nokia puts out some really nice mid and low tier phones.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you're buying the phone alone, but when I got my Galaxy Nexus it was only $100 on contract. You can get an S3 now at my local telus for $0 on the same contract. I am thinking of switching to windows phone 8 after my galaxy nexus though - as much as I like Android developing for it is painful and it looks so nice developing for windows phone 8
[QUOTE=Elspin;39962753]Maybe if you're buying the phone alone, but when I got my Galaxy Nexus it was only $100 on contract. You can get an S3 now at my local telus for $0 on the same contract. I am thinking of switching to windows phone 8 after my galaxy nexus though - as much as I like Android developing for it is painful and it looks so nice developing for windows phone 8[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, I tend to forget about people who buy through contracts because I really despise the practice, If I want a phone, I want to own it wholly, not be stuck on a horrible plan with a carrier. So I save money for a little while and then buy it unlocked.
Not to mention that it's been confirmed with nokia roadmaps that there's still some 7.x updates coming. Which makes sense, considering they plan to use 7 on very low end phones.
[QUOTE=Elspin;39959736]That statement needs a massive fucking disclaimer of that's only true for some devices. My Galaxy Nexus continues to get updates for every new version that comes out, I just got 4.2.1 yesterday for example. Yes, google should try to enforce companies all doing this but it's still not correct to claim all android devices lack support and updates.[/QUOTE] he may be referring to how samsung is shit at upgrading and if you want the latest android OS you need to get a ROM [editline]19th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=KorJax;39958663] Problem with wp7 was that it was MS's first attempt and as such the OS literally had zero support for many modern phone features and was very restricted/picky with hardware specs. The only way to continue updating was to require a new phone because their new OS actually is developed enough in the backend to support all this stuff.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, but I'm not happy to be on wp7 when I see all my other friends playing games that I can't play unless I got my tablet and apps that I can't use on their androids or iPhones
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39960297]I think you mean "most" devices, only the few flagship handsets get one or two updates, the rest get none.[/QUOTE] It's not Google's job to update phones for other OEM's. Android isn't like WP8 in this regard. It allows for more OEM freedom but less wide updates. Whereas WP is the exact opposite.
[QUOTE=barttool;39963097]Well, yeah, I tend to forget about people who buy through contracts because I really despise the practice, If I want a phone, I want to own it wholly, not be stuck on a horrible plan with a carrier. So I save money for a little while and then buy it unlocked.[/QUOTE] Using subsidized prices for comparisons is laughable, your method of comparing outright costs is much more logical because there's less price variance.
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