David Cameron will not run for a third term, if re-elected this year
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[quote]David Cameron has told the BBC he will not serve a third term as prime minister if the Conservatives remain in government after the general election.
The PM said if re-elected he would serve the full five years of another Parliament and then leave Number 10.
Mr Cameron tipped Home Secretary Theresa May, Chancellor George Osborne and London Mayor Boris Johnson as potential successors.
Labour accused him of arrogance while the Lib Dems called him presumptuous.[/quote]
Very rare in Britain for someone to announce this so far in advance. I'm not even sure how the 2020 election would work under these circumstances - it's not like a presidential system where a new Conservative candidate can be picked and run for office; the Conservatives would need to pick a new leader, but then have David Cameron stay as Prime Minister while the new leader campaigns for the next election. I don't think that's ever happened before.
[QUOTE]Mr Cameron tipped Home Secretary Theresa May, Chancellor George Osborne and London Mayor Boris Johnson as potential successors.
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the end is nigh
[QUOTE=RobbL;47382714]the end is nigh[/QUOTE]
You know, part of me wants to see Boris Johnson be PM just to see what it would be like, because I'm guessing it would be completely bizarre
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He'd probably go down in history as the [url=http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68216000/jpg/_68216048_borisstill.jpg]non-stop[/url] [url=http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article101472.ece/alternates/s2197/boris-johnson-pic-rex-149163468.jpg] shits[/url] and [url=http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Boris-Johnson-waves-on-his-bike.jpg]giggles[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9cKD7G6KE] PM[/url]
Boris Johnson is actually a really intelligent guy if you look closely. Very ruthless and ambitious too.
He puts on the facade of a bumbling buffoon so his political rivals underestimate him (and people think he's a great guy too). When he was interviewed in the conservative party, he went into the interviewers office, put his feet up on the desk and asked how long it would take.
I'd prefer Boris over May or Osbourne by a long, long mile. Even still that's a desperate choice.
[QUOTE=Deng;47382794]Boris Johnson is actually a really intelligent guy if you look closely. Very ruthless and ambitious too.
He puts on the facade of a bumbling buffoon so his political rivals underestimate him (and people think he's a great guy too). When he was interviewed in the conservative party, he went into the interviewers office, put his feet up on the desk and asked how long it would take.[/QUOTE]
I think he does a lot of the bumbling idiot stuff because he knows it'll get him votes from the type of people who look at the LADbible. He's actually very smart in reality along with being more extreme than Cameron
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;47382848]I'd prefer Boris over May or Osbourne by a long, long mile. Even still that's a desperate choice.[/QUOTE]
Osborne would be the ideal choice for FP, he [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5399072.stm]once used autistic as an insult[/url]
Holy shit yes Boris for PM.
I was playing BF4 the other day and my origin avatar is a picture of Boris Johnson and some guy was all like "hahaha, is that you in your avatar old man"
I said yes.
So the only way Britain assures they won't have him in 2020 is to vote him in in 2016...
A cunning plan on his part.
Boris also has an amazing voice. Bonus points.
As if he'd get elected three times. Once was bad enough. Two is unlikely.
I'd vote conservative just for Boris, sound silly but he's just so wacky and funny.
[QUOTE=Deng;47382794]Boris Johnson is actually a really intelligent guy if you look closely. Very ruthless and ambitious too.
He puts on the facade of a bumbling buffoon so his political rivals underestimate him (and people think he's a great guy too). When he was interviewed in the conservative party, he went into the interviewers office, put his feet up on the desk and asked how long it would take.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much exactly why he's a pretty "dangerous" choice. As far as I know, he has more extreme conservative views than the current government leaders. The fact he could get into power by appealing as a "comedy hurr" option is pretty bad.
Appoint Johnson as the PM's Spokesman, that'll guarantee all the goofy bits we yearn for.
[QUOTE=icemaz;47383243]That's pretty much exactly why he's a pretty "dangerous" choice. As far as I know, he has more extreme conservative views than the current government leaders. The fact he could get into power by appealing as a "comedy hurr" option is pretty bad.[/QUOTE]
he hardly has a good track record as mayor of london either. as someone who time and time again has proven that he is completely out of touch from society (referring to his 250k a year salary as 'chicken feed' or the fact that he had more meetings with bankers in 2014 than all other causes combined) he is the perfect face for the tory party. a wealthy, eton/oxford bred thatcherite that doesn't seem to take himself or his role in society very seriously at all.
[QUOTE=Tone Float;47382959]So the only way Britain assures they won't have him in 2020 is to vote him in in 2016...
A cunning plan on his part.[/QUOTE]
Umm, the election is this year.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47383203]I'd vote conservative just for Boris, sound silly but he's just so wacky and funny.[/QUOTE]
Are you joking? Because that's awful.
He's deeply conservative and used to write euro-sceptic articles for the Daily Telegraph.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;47382752]You know, part of me wants to see Boris Johnson be PM just to see what it would be like, because I'm guessing it would be completely bizarre
[img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03173/boris_3173691b.jpg[/img]
He'd probably go down in history as the [url=http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68216000/jpg/_68216048_borisstill.jpg]non-stop[/url] [url=http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article101472.ece/alternates/s2197/boris-johnson-pic-rex-149163468.jpg] shits[/url] and [url=http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Boris-Johnson-waves-on-his-bike.jpg]giggles[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9cKD7G6KE] PM[/url][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't underestimate him. He may like to be labelled with a bumbling persona, but he is a very smart bloke. I really like how straight talking he is. You have someone be prejudiced or discriminatory he's been well known to just put a statement out calling them a stupid bastard.1
Plus, you know. Whiff Waff.
I am completely oblivious to politics, so what have the conservitives actually done wrong?
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;47382752]You know, part of me wants to see Boris Johnson be PM just to see what it would be like, because I'm guessing it would be completely bizarre
[img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03173/boris_3173691b.jpg[/img]
He'd probably go down in history as the [url=http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68216000/jpg/_68216048_borisstill.jpg]non-stop[/url] [url=http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article101472.ece/alternates/s2197/boris-johnson-pic-rex-149163468.jpg] shits[/url] and [url=http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Boris-Johnson-waves-on-his-bike.jpg]giggles[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU9cKD7G6KE] PM[/url][/QUOTE]
Out of all of those I'd rather have Boris, he stopped someone getting mugged and then chased the mugger on his bike some rebar.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47384970]Are you joking? Because that's awful.
He's deeply conservative and used to write euro-sceptic articles for the Daily Telegraph.[/QUOTE]
You're listing his positives attributes there. It's hard [I]not[/I] to be a eurosceptic with the current economic climate they're projecting onto us all. I absolutely want to be in the EU, but we're getting a little bit screwed by their shit lately (Remember that masssive fucking outrageous bill that Cameron recently refused to pay?). Now, if the EU was functioning perfectly, and without Greece dragging it down, then yeah I could see why Euroscepticism would be shunned, but as it presently stands, some perfectly valid points are being made.
Disclaimer: Please don't think I'm a UKIP supporter, because I don't want the referendum, or out of the EU, I just want it to be fixed.
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[QUOTE=Shadow801;47385058]I am completely oblivious to politics, so what have the conservitives actually done wrong?[/QUOTE]
Nothing other than economically repair the country :v: A lot of people unfortunately are still stuck in the mindset of the 70's with Thatcher, but the Conservatives aren't anywhere near as right-wing as they used to be. A lot of people are claiming about them privatising the NHS. Well that's not true, because they're only talking about giving the private sector free roam over the technology used in the NHS, it's not a backdoor to privatise the whole thing, the only thing we'd notice is a better standard of equipment in our hospitals, freeing up NHS spending on other things like care quality and staffing. There's also the "theyra takin our rights away!" Well, this is only referring to the fact that we want to repeal the European Human Rights Act, and this is the half of the story that unfortunately people are only hearing of (it's so fucking popular to slander the Conservatives on social media sites - See that fucking outrageous holocaust comparison). When in actual fact, it is to replace it with our own British Bill of Rights. That we control in our country, without any intervening from Geneva or Brussels. They're not going to suddenly make torture and slavery legal again, they will be the very same rights, but more catered to the British people, and protected from any interference.
Saying all of this, I think the general hatred towards the Conservatives comes from the rise in tuition fees. Which, yeah, is shitty and nobody can sanely argue with that.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;47385058]I am completely oblivious to politics, so what have the conservitives actually done wrong?[/QUOTE]
Their general agenda is to minimise public spending and property, while maximising what is owned by the private sector.
The arguement for private vs public doesn't really belong here but the brief is as follows:
Privatisation advocates argue privatisation means competition can drive down prices and drive up services (2 shops compete to sell a better produce at a lower price to get more customers). There are also some (unproven) arguement's that privatisation indirectly drives innovation, makes people work harder and helps create a meritocracy (where the best rise to the top).
Public owned advocates argue that "for profit" companies should not be trusted to run stuff like healthcare where peoples well being should be put before profit. There are also arguments that privation causes consolidation of all the wealth in less individuals (richer 1%, poorer 99%), lowers the quality of working conditions (as the business owners make cuts to stay competitive they screw over their workers) and that privatisation helps creates a "farmers dialemma" sort of situation where both sides need to do something for the common good but neither side wants to take the loss of being the first to make that change (see global warming, higher wages, better working conditions, paying all their taxes)
This is part of a deeper argument of economically left wing vs economically right wing. Right wing (conservative) vs left wing (traditionally labour but labour is now pretty right wing).
There is a pie analogy.
Left wing wants to share the pie equally (or more equally)
Right wing wants to make the pie bigger, so everyones slice grows.
Generally this means the conservatives want to sell off public stuff (already sold royal mail for a loss of several billion to the tax payer, widespread speculation that they plan to privatise/ruin the NHS to allow for private healthcare to take root), cut wellfare (pensions, disability benefit as well as job seekers and housing allowance) and generally help make the rich richer.
On a slightly more childish/illogical note, conservatives are stereotyped to be posh, racist, sexist, career politicians who are out of touch with the working (and something middle) class of the country. Sadly this is the case for most politicians anyway.
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Saying all of this, I think the general hatred towards the Conservatives comes from the rise in tuition fees. Which, yeah, is shitty and nobody can sanely argue with that.[/QUOTE]
Also the generally shitty way they've handled Welfare and benefits, specifically the two year freeze on housing benefits which is going to lead to a fair few homeless people
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;47385210]Also the generally shitty way they've handled Welfare and benefits, specifically the two year freeze on housing benefits which is going to lead to a fair few homeless people[/QUOTE]
My disability benefits have just been more than doubled and housing benefit is coming along fine.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47385213]My disability benefits have just been more than doubled and housing benefit is coming along fine.[/QUOTE]
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I know they're not as bad as thatcher but I still disagree with a lot of their political decisions
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Disclaimer: Please don't think I'm a UKIP supporter, because I don't want the referendum, or out of the EU, I just want it to be fixed.
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Don't worry you've made it abundantly clear who you support.
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Nothing other than economically repair the country :v:
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So growth is back to where we were before the recession. Interest rates are still far from what they we're, wages are still lower, jobs are less secure and the living cost is higher, I'll consider it "repaired" when living standards are back to how they were. Till then, if the "repair" makes no difference to the common person then I don't consider it much of a fix.
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A lot of people unfortunately are still stuck in the mindset of the 70's with Thatcher, but the Conservatives aren't anywhere near as right-wing as they used to be. [/quote]
I wouldn't say its changes that much. Thatcher and Cameron are still pretty much next to each other on a political compass and if you look at what Cameron has been doing with education and housing then there's no real difference.
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A lot of people are claiming about them privatising the NHS. Well that's not true, because they're only talking about giving the private sector free roam over the technology used in the NHS, it's not a backdoor to privatise the whole thing, the only thing we'd notice is a better standard of equipment in our hospitals, freeing up NHS spending on other things like care quality and staffing. [/quote]
Its not just technology though. Gps, walk in centres, ambulance, prison health, mental health, maternity care are all using private contractors. And cases like [url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/28/mid-staffordshire-private-hospitals-fail[/url] prove that privatisation isn't always better for hospitals or patients.
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There's also the "theyra takin our rights away!" Well, this is only referring to the fact that we want to repeal the European Human Rights Act, and this is the half of the story that unfortunately people are only hearing of (it's so fucking popular to slander the Conservatives on social media sites - See that fucking outrageous holocaust comparison). When in actual fact, it is to replace it with our own British Bill of Rights. That we control in our country, without any intervening from Geneva or Brussels. They're not going to suddenly make torture and slavery legal again, they will be the very same rights, but more catered to the British people, and protected from any interference.[/quote]
Won't really go into this since I'm sure labour would try a similar trick and everyone (US, canada, germany, australia) is playing the same game. I do fear what it will be used for though, human rights are in place to protect people. Removing them, replacing them with laxer laws will surely end up with someone being treated worse than they were before?
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Saying all of this, I think the general hatred towards the Conservatives comes from the rise in tuition fees. Which, yeah, is shitty and [b]nobody can sanely argue with that.[/b][/QUOTE]
Good tactic to try and dissuade discussion on the point.
Higher tuition fees means students need to take out larger student loans, so the government needs to give out a whole load of 20k+ value, totally unsecured, low interest loans. What are the odds of the government getting all that money back? People only start actually paying it back when they earn over 20k. Its a just another toxic debt bubble.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;47385213]My disability benefits have just been more than doubled and housing benefit is coming along fine.[/QUOTE]
I'm not calling you a liar, and if that's the case then I'm honestly very happy for you - but it's simply not the case for my brother and my friend who without help would struggle in near poverty due to all the cut backs.
Say what you will about Boris, Osborne or Teresa May but they're all more competent than any of their counterparts in the Labour party.
Yes, everyone vote Boris Johnson. It'd be good to see an American as a PM.
I dislike the Tories, but I love Boris. He's a gem of the nation.
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