Putin claiming sensationally that "Kazakhs never had any statehood" and "If I want, I take Kiev in t - Polidicks

[url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/art_n_ideas/article/kazakhs-worried-after-putin-questions-history-of-countrys-independence/506178.html[/url] [QUOTE]Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev has "created a state on a territory that never had a state," Putin told a pro-Kremlin youth camp at Lake Seliger near Moscow. "Kazakhs never had any statehood, he has created it." One history chapter of which Kazakhs may like to remind Putin is the independent Kazakh Khanate state, which lasted from the 15th to the 19th century before it was weakened by invasions, taken over by the Russian Empire, and later became part of the Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/01/putin-russia-kiev-ukraine_n_5747362.html[/url] [QUOTE]The respected Italian daily La Repubblica reported that in a conversation with outgoing European Commission President José Manuel Barroso, Putin remarked: "If I want, I take Kiev in two weeks." The Russian leader was just as belligerent when cornered by the BBC's John Sweeney at a mammoth museum at Russia's Northeastern Federal University in Yankutsk. Maneuvering past the tank-sized bodyguards, Sweeney came face-to-face with Putin, repeatedly asking if he "regrets the killings in Ukraine". Attempting to defer, Putin eventually replied in Russian. “What is the aim and sense of today’s military operation in the east? And what triggered the escalation of their activities,” the president said. “They (are triggered by the fact that Ukrainian troops are laying siege to civilian areas and are shooting directly at residential areas. “This is what many states, including in Europe, unfortunately prefer not to notice."[/QUOTE]

Oh shit.

To wich Kazakhstan's president replied: [QUOTE]"Kazakhstan has a right to withdraw from the Eurasian Economic Union," Nazarbayev told his country's Khabar television, according to remarks cited by Kazakhstan's Tengri News on Wednesday. "Kazakhstan will not be part of organizations that pose a threat to our independence." "Our independence is our dearest treasure, which our grandfathers fought for," Nazarbayev was quoted as saying. "First of all, we will never surrender it to someone, and secondly, we will do our best to protect it."[/QUOTE]

Well, he's right about the Kiev, but neither of these statements are nice or sane things to say as a president of a goddamn nation.

[QUOTE=godfatherk;45863250]To wich Kazakhstan's president replied:[/QUOTE] That'd be interesting if Kazakhstan actually distances themselves from Russia but its hard to tell what is rhetoric and reality with politicians.

The truth comes out

He's lost his mind. I think he really no longer cares what anybody else thinks of him, and I wonder what justifications the Pro-Russian crowd will have for us this time.

I'm not gonna post pics of Putin anymore because by this point the internet is full of it. Instead, I found this mammoth mummy at the museum he's visiting quite peculiar: [thumb]http://rt.com/files/news/2c/fd/00/00/mamont.jpg[/thumb] The article said they found blood and cloning it would apparently be possible. Also, Yakutsk is said to be the city with the coldest winter temperature on earth, averaging -35 celsius in january.it broke the graph on wikipedia lol. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("offtopic" - Orkel))[/highlight]

hide yo kids, hide yo oppressed Russian minorities

[QUOTE=Aman;45863280]That'd be interesting if Kazakhstan actually distances themselves from Russia but its hard to tell what is rhetoric and reality with politicians.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Kazakhstan has done a lot of stuff in the past decade to indirectly tell Russia to fuck off. For example, they have mandated that certain government forms be in Kazakh only, and not in Russian. They called for independence before the collapse of the Soviet Union. They've aggressively industrialized after the collapse, have undergone an economic boom, etc. In short, there is some serious resentment towards anything soviet there. Source: Two relatives in the Peace Corps who did work there.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45863290]He's lost his mind. I think he really no longer cares what anybody else thinks of him, and I wonder what justifications the Pro-Russian crowd will have for us this time.[/QUOTE] He hasn't lost his mind. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to restore the Soviet Union. Also thread music: [video=youtube;Kq6WRUWOlfo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq6WRUWOlfo[/video]

He is not wrong, he is just an asshole.

Is it just me or does Putin's statement about Kazakhstan kind of sound like he meant respect but it came out wrong? It sounds like he's saying the Kazakhs built their nation from nothing by themselves, and feels like it's meant to be a compliment.

[QUOTE=Telepethi;45864066]Is it just me or does Putin's statement about Kazakhstan kind of sound like he meant respect but it came out wrong? It sounds like he's saying the Kazakhs built their nation from nothing by themselves, and feels like it's meant to be a compliment.[/QUOTE]Not really, it comes off more as him saying Nursultan Nazarbayev fabricated the notion of a Kazakh state, that it exists just because he made it so. Which is historically incorrect. Granted, that article isn't particularly unbiased, to put it lightly. Important bit which contradicts the idea he was complimenting Kazakh people for creating a state is "Kazakhs never had any statehood, [B]he[/B] has created it."

Russia we war you

Why would Putin say such a thing. It makes no sense. He should be trying to make friends and influence people not lose friends and alienate people.

[QUOTE=Telepethi;45864066]Is it just me or does Putin's statement about Kazakhstan kind of sound like he meant respect but it came out wrong? It sounds like he's saying the Kazakhs built their nation from nothing by themselves, and feels like it's meant to be a compliment.[/QUOTE] I suppose it depends on the spin, but from the Kazakhstan response, it would seem like it's not meant as a compliment, or at least it wasn't understood that way.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45864248]I suppose it depends on the spin, but from the Kazakhstan response, it would seem like it's not meant as a compliment, or at least it wasn't understood that way.[/QUOTE] would be... hilarious/disastrous if a misunderstood compliment turned out to be the thing which killed the EAU. Not going to happen but it would be so strange.

This is interesting. I thought Kazakhstan was well within the Russian sphere of influence, and there is some truth to them never having actual sovereignty before the fall of the Soviet Union (although that doesn't make it right for him to say this actually. He could probably take Kiev relatively quickly with a strong air campaign.

The fact that this lunatic still has a 80%+ approval rating is shameful for Russia. If they as a people are so brainwashed that they can't even see that their leader is a nutcase and a danger to the entire region then I feel sorry for them.

he is going to destroy his country

[QUOTE=Miskav;45864354]The fact that this lunatic still has a 80%+ approval rating is shameful for Russia. If they as a people are so brainwashed that they can't even see that their leader is a nutcase and a danger to the entire region then I feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE] They've chosen to support him. And that's fine; it's their choice to make. But in choosing to support this man and his dangerous maneuvers, that means they're as much our enemies as he is. You shouldn't feel sorry for them, you should feel nothing but hatred for them.

[video=youtube;9WqwFhX6Cqg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WqwFhX6Cqg[/video] soon?

[QUOTE=Miskav;45864354]The fact that this lunatic still has a 80%+ approval rating is shameful for Russia. If they as a people are so brainwashed that they can't even see that their leader is a nutcase and a danger to the entire region then I feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE] "80%"

Bet his approval rate will shoot up 110 percent as it did last time

[QUOTE=Govna;45864556]They've chosen to support him. And that's fine; it's their choice to make. But in choosing to support this man and his dangerous maneuvers, that means they're as much our enemies as he is. You shouldn't feel sorry for them, [b]you should feel nothing but hatred for them.[/b][/QUOTE] You are a despicable person, thats an entire country of people you are painting with your hatred brush. IT is people like you who are responsible for this Russia/west divide. Thats an entire country. His approval rating is high because he is getting things done for Russia. Yeltsin's years were an all time low for Russia. People would work and not get paid, go hungry, population dropped massively. Sure hes a dictator, sure quality of life isn't up to that of the west yet but GDP is rising fast and compared to what Russia used to be hes doing a pretty good job. You don't hate them because they support Putin, you simply hate Russians because they are Russians.

[QUOTE=Govna;45864556]They've chosen to support him. And that's fine; it's their choice to make. But in choosing to support this man and his dangerous maneuvers, that means they're as much our enemies as he is. You shouldn't feel sorry for them, [B]you should feel nothing but hatred for them.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm sure expressing intense hatred for the collective Russian populace will be a significant de-escelatory step and go a long way toward defusing tensions. Probably should have thought of it sooner.

Nah we shouldn't hate all of Russia. Just the bastards at the helm of this rushing Titanic like Putin. We should feel sorry for the average Ivan who has to put up with his nonsense, and pity for those deluded souls who look past the unredeemable downsides of the current Russian government, namely having some deluded old KGB spy-thug being Captain of a boat that might end up crashing into the harbour awash with some sort of nostalgic red tide.

[QUOTE=Miskav;45864354]The fact that this lunatic still has a 80%+ approval rating is shameful for Russia. If they as a people are so brainwashed that they can't even see that their leader is a nutcase and a danger to the entire region then I feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE] I really doubt 80% of the population approves. It's like Kim Jong Un having a 100% approval rating. They're probably just scared.

[QUOTE=Korova;45865453]I really doubt 80% of the population approves. It's like Kim Jong Un having a 100% approval rating. They're probably just scared.[/QUOTE] Can you not wrap your mind around the fact that people might just think differently than you, and that they might not be scared or threatened or stupid?