US-led coalitian airstrikes kill 60+ Syrian troops, prompting emergency UN Security Council meeting - Polidicks

[quote]The US-led coalition has admitted its planes carried out an attack in eastern Syria that the Russian army says killed at least 62 Syrian troops fighting IS. The US said its planes had halted the attack in Deir al-Zour when informed of the Syrian presence. The strikes allowed IS to advance, said Russia, which called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council. The Russians earlier said the current ceasefire in Syria was in danger of collapse and the US would be to blame. The cessation of hostilities does not include attacks by the US on IS or other jihadist groups. The US Central Command statement said the coalition believed it was attacking positions of so-called Islamic State and the raids were "halted immediately when coalition officials were informed by Russian officials that it was possible the personnel and vehicles targeted were part of the Syrian military". It said the "Combined Air Operations Center had earlier informed Russian counterparts of the upcoming strike". It added: "Syria is a complex situation with various military forces and militias in close proximity, but coalition forces would not intentionally strike a known Syrian military unit. The coalition will review this strike and the circumstances surrounding it to see if any lessons can be learned." Russia's defence ministry earlier said that if the US air strikes did turn out to be an error, it would be because of Washington's refusal to co-ordinate military action with Moscow.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37398721[/url]

Wow, that... is a pretty big mistake. Yeah. Can't say much else...

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/359686-un-security-urgent-meeting/[/url] [QUOTE]The Syrian military called the bombing a “serious and blatant aggression” against Syrian forces, and said it was "conclusive evidence" that the US and its allies support IS militants.[/QUOTE] Whoa now...

"The coalition will review this strike and the circumstances surrounding it to see if any lessons can be learned" This sounds like a business letter. That's pretty sad for military.

I have a bad feeling about this

[QUOTE=HammerBrute;51067029][url]https://www.rt.com/news/359686-un-security-urgent-meeting/[/url] Whoa now...[/QUOTE] By that logic, the Russians also support ISIS after they bombed the US-backed New Syrian Army with cluster munitions back in June. They were hundreds of kilometers from the nearest government front line and had never engaged in combat with the Syrian government, only ISIS at that point. [url]https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/06/21/al-tanf-bombing-russia-assisted-isis-attacking-us-backed-fsa-group-cluster-bombs/[/url] To further complicate this situation, the US and allies have been supplying the rebels with TOW missiles for years to allow them to fight the SAA's tanks, so this was an accidental overt attack on a target that they've been covertly fighting.

[QUOTE=Baazul;51067039]"The coalition will review this strike and the circumstances surrounding it to see if any lessons can be learned" This sounds like a business letter. That's pretty sad for military.[/QUOTE] Any military is a huge organization, the person who wrote that letter cannot possibly know what circumstances lead to those bombs falling or where exactly they fell and which consequences it had. They probably don't even know if there actually was an error made. Drawing conclusions early, saying anything either way, would be stupid. They're saying they'll look into the facts and that's what should be done.

I'd imagine, unfortunately, the Russians might be not far off on this one. It was always ridiculous to not cooperate with Moscow to make sure accidents didn't happen that would become international incidents. Not two years ago MiG-29s were triggering radar warning in Coalition aircraft and it scared the shit out of me that a blue-on-grey could happen out there and cause a rise in tensions. This might come down to America's pride being a liability.

[QUOTE=Jon27;51067280]I'd imagine, unfortunately, the Russians might be not far off on this one. It was always ridiculous to not cooperate with Moscow to make sure accidents didn't happen that would become international incidents. Not two years ago MiG-29s were triggering radar warning in Coalition aircraft and it scared the shit out of me that a blue-on-grey could happen out there and cause a rise in tensions. This might come down to America's pride being a liability.[/QUOTE] It's because Russia is targetting almost all anti-government forces, including American supported ones

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51067306]It's because Russia is targetting almost all anti-government forces, including American supported ones[/QUOTE] I see. Didn't consider that. It's hardly possible for both sides to exchange information on the 'don't shoot these targets' front if both sides are being told things they don't want to hear ie 'don't shoot these rebels who are your ally's enemy because they're our friend'.

You know what's scary, because of who the target ended up being, we're able to get pretty reliable numbers on casualties and wounded. This was one air strike on one target. Now think of how many we've conducted over the years total. It's mind boggling Also, Syria can eat a dick saying we're obviously supporting ISIS. We might be supporting a force Syria doesn't like but it sure as shit isn't ISIS And, if we DID in fact inform Russia about this attack BEFORE we carried it out as the article says, and Russia sat on it without saying who was actually there, they're just as much at fault if not more so. And I actually wouldn't put it past Russia to intentionally do that

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51067306]It's because Russia is targetting almost all anti-government forces, including American supported ones[/QUOTE] How about America stops supporting the terrorists? I love how all of you are against Russia because they are actually doing the right thing

people fail to realize that in past conflicts blue on blue was quiet common they just got used to 'modern' war thinking those don't happen anymore Syria is quite chaos so it may happen more often because it's mess

this really isn't looking good

[QUOTE=Dwarden;51067709]people fail to realize that in past conflicts blue on blue was quiet common they just got used to 'modern' war thinking those don't happen anymore[/QUOTE] People seem to think the military can never ever make a mistake, except for all the times they do and it's convenient to blame them.

[QUOTE=vrej;51067500]How about America stops supporting the terrorists? I love how all of you are against Russia because they are actually doing the right thing[/QUOTE] We need a "I don't know anything about the Syria conflict" starter pack

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51067824]We need a "I don't know anything about the Syria conflict" starter pack[/QUOTE] vrej is actually Syrian the thing is that he's heavily Pro-Assad and thinks that this isn't a civil war because [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1504082&p=49652170&viewfull=1#post49652170]ISIS and the rebels all originated from Turkey[/url]

[QUOTE=Perrine;51067903]vrej is actually Syrian the thing is that he's heavily Pro-Assad and thinks that this isn't a civil war because [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1504082&p=49652170&viewfull=1#post49652170]ISIS and the rebels all originated from Turkey[/url][/QUOTE] Yes I am Syrian, and I am not pro-Assad, I am pro-Syria. I want my country back the way it was before, I don't care what outsiders think, we were living our lives just fine. The country was actually changing A LOT. He was rebuildings all the roads, making modern buildings, economy was improving a lot, everything was changing! Until the west had to ruin it just like they ruined so many countries. Your governments are so money and power hungry, it's unbelievable how far they go just to get it. The millions of people they have killed in the name of wealth and power is just unbelievable, and you guys still follow them like sheeps!

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51067306]It's because Russia is targetting almost all anti-government forces, including American supported ones[/QUOTE] The difference is the SAA is lead by an actual government and not by a group of leaders that may or may not be terrorists/anti west [editline]18th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;51067488]I actually wouldn't put it past Russia to intentionally do that[/QUOTE] Yeah because all Russia wants is for its allies who they are trying to keep in power to get killed :downs:

[QUOTE=vrej;51067939]Yes I am Syrian, and I am not pro-Assad, I am pro-Syria. I want my country back the way it was before, I don't care what outsiders think, we were living our lives just fine. The country was actually changing A LOT. He was rebuildings all the roads, making modern buildings, economy was improving a lot, everything was changing! Until the west had to ruin it just like they ruined so many countries. Your governments are so money and power hungry, it's unbelievable how far they go just to get it. The millions of people they have killed in the name of wealth and power is just unbelievable, and you guys still follow them like sheeps![/QUOTE] Obviously, all protesters were bribed by the US to give them an excuse to do this or something. /s No, not really. One man started this and he is still going.

[QUOTE=vrej;51067939]Yes I am Syrian, and I am not pro-Assad, I am pro-Syria. I want my country back the way it was before, I don't care what outsiders think, we were living our lives just fine. The country was actually changing A LOT. He was rebuildings all the roads, making modern buildings, economy was improving a lot, everything was changing! Until the west had to ruin it just like they ruined so many countries. Your governments are so money and power hungry, it's unbelievable how far they go just to get it. The millions of people they have killed in the name of wealth and power is just unbelievable, and you guys still follow them like sheeps![/QUOTE] The Syrian Network for Human rights claims that the SAA and other government affiliated forces have caused more than 90% of civilian casualties in the war. If it is true, then they haven't they caused the most damage? [t]http://sn4hr.org/wp-content/uploads/tollen/death-toll-en.jpg[/t] [url]http://sn4hr.org/[/url]

[quote]It said the "Combined Air Operations Center had earlier informed Russian counterparts of the upcoming strike".[/quote] so.... like i'm not pointing fingers here but russia kind of dropped the ball by not passing this on to assad's syria

[QUOTE=vrej;51067939]Yes I am Syrian, and I am not pro-Assad, I am pro-Syria. I want my country back the way it was before, I don't care what outsiders think, we were living our lives just fine. The country was actually changing A LOT. He was rebuildings all the roads, making modern buildings, economy was improving a lot, everything was changing! Until the west had to ruin it just like they ruined so many countries. Your governments are so money and power hungry, it's unbelievable how far they go just to get it. The millions of people they have killed in the name of wealth and power is just unbelievable, and you guys still follow them like sheeps![/QUOTE] And the peaceful protesters that were straight up murdered at the start of the conflict? Nothing should be done because it would disturb your way of life? Sounds like you don't give a fuck about your people and would rather blame the west because you're too afraid to admit it.

[QUOTE=StrykerE;51068160]The Syrian Network for Human rights claims that the SAA and other government affiliated forces have caused more than 90% of civilian casualties in the war. If it is true, then they haven't they caused the most damage? [t]http://sn4hr.org/wp-content/uploads/tollen/death-toll-en.jpg[/t] [url]http://sn4hr.org/[/url][/QUOTE] the US deathtoll is greatly underreported but still its far below the assad government's death toll since they did start all this by ya know.... killing shitloads of civilians and have continued to use tactics aimed at killing civilians

I actually love how this thread managed to spin into another Russia hatedom.

[QUOTE=vrej;51067939]Yes I am Syrian, and I am not pro-Assad, I am pro-Syria. I want my country back the way it was before, I don't care what outsiders think, we were living our lives just fine. The country was actually changing A LOT. He was rebuildings all the roads, making modern buildings, economy was improving a lot, everything was changing! Until the west had to ruin it just like they ruined so many countries. Your governments are so money and power hungry, it's unbelievable how far they go just to get it. The millions of people they have killed in the name of wealth and power is just unbelievable, and you guys still follow them like sheeps![/QUOTE] My condolences. I truly mean it. They fucked up so many countries before so bad, they haven't recovered till this day. Doesn't help that the wealthier Arab countries doesn't seems to a flying fuck about their neighbour's plight. Heck, I still remember when we are facing 1997/1998 economic crisis, and were asking our rich Arab/Saudi brothers for help, and guess what they send us in reply? A copy of Koran. :what: Just, wtf 'Brotherhood' concept in Islam is dead. Brace yourself for more fuckery

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;51068560]I actually love how this thread managed to spin into another Russia hatedom.[/QUOTE] Reasons to hate Russia in this situation: They support Assad, who is arguably the worst player in this conflict. Even accepting that they support Assad as a good thing, they have bombed rebels who aren't actively fighting Assad, which only helps to support ISIS, also a contender for the worst player title. They spend just as much time bombing aforementioned rebels as they do bombing ISIS which is their declared goal. They had info from the international coalition that this shit was going to get bombed, and decided to not go 'nah don't do that guys'. [sp]conspiritard-time: This could be an attempt at making the US and friends look like the uncooperative part, and/or create precedence to justify bombing of FSA/SDF forces during the ceasefire.[/sp]

Jesus. What the fuck is even happening over there?

Its interesting. Regardless of the possible mistake, probably caused by the lack of coordination, it is of note that US fighters targeted ISIS position in Deir Ez-Zor (Deir al-Zour), so it was planned to support the SAA?

[QUOTE=gudman;51068746]Its interesting. Regardless of the possible mistake, probably caused by the lack of coordination, it is of note that US fighters targeted ISIS position in Deir Ez-Zor (Deir al-Zour), so it was planned to support the SAA?[/QUOTE] It would have been in line with proposed russia-us cooperation agreements, soo why not?