• China and EU to sign joint statement on climate change - China will honour Paris agreement
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40106281[/url] [quote]Chinese and EU leaders are to agree a joint statement on the Paris climate agreement saying it is "an imperative more important than ever". A draft of the document, seen by the BBC, stresses the "highest political commitment" to implement the deal. It will be widely seen as a rebuff to the US, as President Trump prepares to announce on Thursday if the US is withdrawing from the accord.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40118690[/url] [quote]China will honour its commitments on climate change, its premier has said, as the US appears poised to pull out of a key deal. Speaking on a visit to Germany, Premier Li Keqiang said fighting climate change was in China's own interest. China was counting on other countries to follow its example, Mr Li said. US President Donald Trump is due to announce his decision on the 2015 Paris agreement later. Some reports in the US suggest he will withdraw.[/quote]
I'm so glad Stephen Harper lost the election in Canada, or else we'd probably see Canada looking to withdraw from the Paris Agreement. He had already humiliated Canada on the global stage by pulling us out of the Kyoto Protocol, the first country to do so. Here comes China to begin taking its place as a global leader while America stabs itself in the dick for a while.
So is China going to join the G7 as well now or something?
[QUOTE=markfu;52299486]So is China going to join the G7 or something?[/QUOTE] How about kick out America and replace them with China.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52299490]How about kick out America and replace them with China.[/QUOTE] That would be amazingly humiliating. I second. So yeah, how's it feel to fall behind to [I]China[/I], Trump?
[QUOTE=markfu;52299486]So is China going to join the G7 as well now or something?[/QUOTE] Purpose of the G7 is to discuss the global economy. The only reason climate change was discussed in the latest meeting was because all the leaders happened to be there and Trump is a climate change denying monkey. [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;52299490]How about kick out America and replace them with China.[/QUOTE] Can't, the G7 is representation of the world's top 7 economies. China is growing, but I don't think they're quite there yet.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52299671]Purpose of the G7 is to discuss the global economy. The only reason climate change was discussed in the latest meeting was because all the leaders happened to be there and Trump is a climate change denying monkey. [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] Can't, the G7 is representation of the world's top 7 economies. China is growing, but I don't think they're quite there yet.[/QUOTE] It's because the IMF doesn't view China as a fully industrialized country yet
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52299671]Purpose of the G7 is to discuss the global economy. The only reason climate change was discussed in the latest meeting was because all the leaders happened to be there and Trump is a climate change denying monkey. [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] Can't, the G7 is representation of the world's top 7 economies. China is growing, but I don't think they're quite there yet.[/QUOTE] wtf... china is one of thr biggest economies in the world even wiki The People's Republic of China, according to its data, would be the third-largest (9.1% of the world net wealth) in the world, but is excluded because the IMF and other main global institutions don't consider China a developed country.[63] A
[QUOTE=EcksDee;52299820]wtf... china is one of thr biggest economies in the world even wiki The People's Republic of China, according to its data, would be the third-largest (9.1% of the world net wealth) in the world, but is excluded because the IMF and other main global institutions don't consider China a developed country.[63] A[/QUOTE] Being a large economy and a developed economy are not one in the same. [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] I'm not advocating for China to never join the G7, mind you. Just stating that it's unlikely to happen, especially because of climate change policies.
China is an industrialized country. US, Canada, and Europe consist of post-industrial developed countries. China was developing not long ago, and made a hard push into industrialization. They are not yet fully developed. Even if their economy is gigantic because they do manufacturing for a lot of the developed nations. IIRC a Developed economy is one that has more service than manufacturing. China has a long way to go before then.
Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] You can't actually be serious China has been rolling back coal, and rolling out new solar installations. This alone is a big step. They're doing more than just that and it's sad that China is outpacing the US in this field
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] I dunno, maybe cut back their own emissions since theirs are larhest at the moment - and unlike US, they seem actually be following their pledge with investment in cleaner technologies, with some optimistic studies suggesting emissions peaking in few years-decade. Didn't mean to star you, fatfingered with phone.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] [img]https://i.imgur.com/GNLOAHL.png[/img] 🤔
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] More than any other country in the world by a huge margin
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] I don't know, man [img]http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/images/2014/11/gw-graphic-pie-chart-co2-emissions-by-country-2011.jpg[/img] I just don't know ...
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] China is currently doing a lot to revert climate change... China uses a fuckton of coal, and due to extreme levels of smog and pollution in their cities, they've made a huge push to reduce their usage of coal. China is the world leader in solar photovotalic production, and the world leader in renewable energy utilization from hydroelectric (still shit for the environment, mind you. But at least it doesn't emit tons of CO2 and other toxic chemicals). The United States, specifically conservatives, have been saying ~why bother making clean power if china isn't going to do it?~ for decades. When the reality is China is pushing harder than the United States is. When your cities look like this, you have a good reason to get off coal. [img]http://i.imgur.com/WdzN0Xh.jpg[/img] Unfortunately, American conservatives are keen to make us into an international embarrassment before we make any action to be the world leaders ever again.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52299895]Lol.. what can china possibly do to help revert climate change?[/QUOTE] Is this an implicit admission that you are in support of fucking up the world? 'Cause that's kind of the Trump supporter stereotype I'm trying to hold off. China is the world's largest CO2 producer, the second largest economy not counting EU as whole and will probably soon be the world's largest by any measure. Also China is still developing and how it solves its energy production will have an immense impact globally. Not least because China is onvolved in many development projects worldwide and particularly in developing countries, so those countries will probably follow China's lead in how they start producing energy in coming decades. So I'd say China is [B]the[/B] most important party when discussing CO2 emission treaties, followed by India - 3rd largest producer and having much industrialization to be done.
This changes the game monumentally. If they can get India to to sign on as well then we'll be getting somewhere. Even without them, holding everybody to this agreement might just make a dent in global emissions now.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300220]This changes the game monumentally. If they can get India to to sign on as well then we'll be getting somewhere.[/QUOTE] how does two countries agreeing to do something they already agreed to do "change the game"? what are you even talking about? the only thing that would "change the game" would be trump pulling us out and fucking us all over
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300220]This changes the game monumentally. If they can get India to to sign on as well then we'll be getting somewhere. Even without them, holding everybody to this agreement might just make a dent in global emissions now.[/QUOTE] It is assumed that countries hold to the agreements they have signed, only reason why sich joint-statement had to be made was because of US.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300220]This changes the game monumentally. If they can get India to to sign on as well then we'll be getting somewhere. Even without them, holding everybody to this agreement might just make a dent in global emissions now.[/QUOTE] It'd be great too if the US wasn't leaving the Paris Agreement.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300220]This changes the game monumentally. If they can get India to to sign on as well then we'll be getting somewhere. Even without them, holding everybody to this agreement might just make a dent in global emissions now.[/QUOTE] Most of the planet has already agreed to it. Most as in all but three have signed it.
[QUOTE=Sasupoika;52300308]It is assumed that countries hold to the agreements they have signed, only reason why sich joint-statement had to be made was because of US.[/QUOTE] I don't know how it works with other countries, but our head of state here can't enter into treaties with other nations without the approval of Congress. This wasn't done when Barack Obama originally signed on to Paris. Until that approval is given, the agreement is to the President completely arbitrary. [QUOTE=OvB;52300322]Most of the planet has already agreed to it.[/QUOTE] China is the world's greatest emitter of CO2, followed by the US, EU, and India. Much of the conservative argument about a purely EU-centric agreement is that it wouldn't make much of a dent in global emissions. With this in mind, having all four of these parties onboard is certainly better than any one of them pulling out.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300328]I don't know how it works with other countries, but our head of state here can't enter into treaties with other nations without the approval of Congress. This wasn't done when Barack Obama originally signed on to Paris. Until that approval is given, the agreement is to the President completely arbitrary. China is the world's greatest emitter of CO2, followed by the US, EU, and India. Much of the conservative argument about a purely EU-centric agreement is that it wouldn't make much of a dent in global emissions. With this in mind, having all four of these parties onboard is certainly better than any one of them pulling out.[/QUOTE] Well the US just fucked the long term goals of the world so, thanks.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52300348]Well the US just fucked the long term goals of the world so, thanks.[/QUOTE] Build the wall** **Around the entire country and with a dome on top to keep our pollution inside
[QUOTE=Chonch;52300328]I don't know how it works with other countries, but our head of state here can't enter into treaties with other nations without the approval of Congress. This wasn't done when Barack Obama originally signed on to Paris. Until that approval is given, the agreement is to the President completely arbitrary. China is the world's greatest emitter of CO2, followed by the US, EU, and India. Much of the conservative argument about a purely EU-centric agreement is that it wouldn't make much of a dent in global emissions. With this in mind, having all four of these parties onboard is certainly better than any one of them pulling out.[/QUOTE] china may be the biggest total, but they are at least trying to reduce emissions. the us president sent meanwhile is a spineless coward influenced by oil money receiving cunts. and every single person who voted for him is a bona fide idiot for actuslly thinking he might have the stamina and qualifications to be pres
These are good news to read amongst all the bullshit Trump does. I'm glad for China.
Did Trump's fuckup somehow wake up and unite the rest of the world against climate change?
[QUOTE=Orkel;52303913]Did Trump's fuckup somehow wake up and unite the rest of the world against climate change?[/QUOTE] china has been heavily investing in renewables the last decade sure they're still the largest CO2 emitter in the world, but they also produce the most renewable energy in the world as well for every step they take we take two steps back
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