Germany considers sending up to 200 peacekeepers to Ukraine.
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[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780940/Germans-set-send-troops-Ukraine-WW2.html[/url]
[quote=Daily Mail]Germany is poised for its first deployment of troops in Ukraine since the Nazi invasion of then Soviet territory in 1941 which led to millions of deaths.
An historic move to send 200 peacekeepers – including 50 paratroopers – was under active consideration last night.
It comes as the crumbling ceasefire between pro-Russian rebels and the Ukrainian government was under its strongest pressure since coming into effect a month ago.
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[url]http://online.wsj.com/articles/germany-mulls-sending-soldiers-to-assist-osce-in-ukraine-1412441183[/url]
[quote=Wall Street Journal]FRANKFURT—Germany is considering sending soldiers and noncombat drones to Ukraine in an effort to help international monitors return stability to the country’s war-torn eastern region, people close to the government said Saturday.
The government is preparing staff and equipment that could be used to support the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s mission to ensure a cease-fire reached between government forces and pro-Russia separatists is upheld, one person said.
Germany’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement Saturday that the governments of Germany and France “are in talks with the OSCE to sound out how the OSCE’s tasks in the Ukraine can be supported.”[/quote]
I'm confused as to why they have to mention Nazi's and WW2 exactly.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;46156801]I'm confused as to why they have to mention Nazi's and WW2 exactly.[/QUOTE]
First source is Daily Mail so they always have to be stupid in some way or another.
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;46156811]First source is Daily Mail so they always have to be stupid in some way or another.[/QUOTE]
What I assumed, which is why I found the WSJ link.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;46156853]What I assumed, which is why I found the WSJ link.[/QUOTE]
I saw that you had multiple, I just mean that with stories other people report on, the Mail always has to be tabloidish in presentation it seems.
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;46156883]I saw that you had multiple, I just mean that with stories other people report on, the Mail always has to be tabloidish in presentation it seems.[/QUOTE]
Another reason I got the other source. Fuck Daily Mail, but sometimes they have an actual news worthy article. Sometimes.
I shouldn't be on here in when I'm sleepy.
When they said peacekeepers I thought of these:
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I then immediately jumped up to read the article only to realize I'm an idiot.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;46156801]I'm confused as to why they have to mention Nazi's and WW2 exactly.[/QUOTE]
Mentioning Nazis when people bring up Germany is extremely aggravating to me.
People who don't know the difference between Nazis and the normal average Wehrmacht soldier always ticks me off.
Some lady called me a Nazi because I comb my hair over and my jaw is defined. I look nothing like a German person.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46157022]People who don't know the difference between Nazis and the normal average Wehrmacht soldier always ticks me off.[/QUOTE]
its like saying every soldier that was in iraq under George Bush was a Republican
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46157022]People who don't know the difference between Nazis and the normal average Wehrmacht soldier always ticks me off.[/QUOTE]
Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46157090]Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.[/QUOTE]
Good example of history is written by the victors.
The Wehrmacht were just soldiers. Honestly most of the SS were too, especially during the end of the war when they promoted pretty much anybody.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;46156801]I'm confused as to why they have to mention Nazi's and WW2 exactly.[/QUOTE]
Because it's Reichskommissariat Ukraine 2.0 according to dailymail
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46157090]Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.[/QUOTE]
Well if someone believes that there was literally a magical barrier making one side good and the other evil then I congratulate him his common sense.
War is awful, and it brings the worst out of people, regardless of their country or branch.
Honestly, i don't see how 200 peacekeepers can handle the situation in Ukraine. Essentially, there is a full scale war raging there, with tanks, artillery fire and so on. These guys can be killed within days if they enter combat.
I think they should either send way more troops to stop both sides from fighting, or don't send anyone at all.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46157090]Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.[/QUOTE]
i think what he tried to say was that not every german soldier was a genocidal racist.
it's true though, way too many people try to downplay the war crimes and brutality of the wehrmacht. let's not forget that they assisted the SS in their extermination campaigns and maintained several concentration camps themselves.
not that this is in any way relevant to the article.
What a fucking ridiculous opening line...
[QUOTE=antianan;46157172]Honestly, i don't see how 200 peacekeepers can handle the situation in Ukraine. Essentially, there is a full scale war raging there, with tanks, artillery fire and so on. These guys can be killed within days if they enter combat.
I think they should either send way more troops to stop both sides from fighting, or don't send anyone at all.[/QUOTE]
They are there to support the OSCE. They are not supposed to get into combat.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46157090]Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, later in the war the Wehrmacht was probably one of if not the largest bastions of Nazi support, I'm pretty sure this has been cited many times over. They probably weren't all hardcore nazis, but the whole sorta revisionist few that they were just honorable men fighting for love of country is stretching it, to say the least.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;46156801]I'm confused as to why they have to mention Nazi's and WW2 exactly.[/QUOTE]
Does the Daily Mail forget that they were Nazis too?
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[QUOTE=evilweazel;46157486]Yeah, later in the war the Wehrmacht was probably one of if not the largest bastions of Nazi support, I'm pretty sure this has been cited many times over. They probably weren't all hardcore nazis, but the whole sorta revisionist few that they were just honorable men fighting for love of country is stretching it, to say the least.[/QUOTE]
Supposedly the armed forces of the time consisted of Frederick the Great's army, Kaiser Wilhelm's navy and Hitler's air force, ideologically.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;46157090]Hasn't the whole "honorable Wehrmacht vs. Nazi SS" thing been proven to be myth? Both were just as cruel.[/QUOTE]
War isn't that black and white to say that every soldier in the Wehrmacht was a fight-for-country good person and every soldier in the SS was a fight-for-genocide bad guy. There were evil men in both armies, and good men in both armies. Being in either one didn't necessarily make you a "good guy" or a "bad guy".
[QUOTE=evilweazel;46157486]Yeah, later in the war the Wehrmacht was probably one of if not the largest bastions of Nazi support, I'm pretty sure this has been cited many times over. They probably weren't all hardcore nazis, but the whole sorta revisionist few that they were just honorable men fighting for love of country is stretching it, to say the least.[/QUOTE]
If you could cite that, I'd be appreciative of it. Sounds like a load of bull to me, especially considering several Wehrmacht troops joined up with American forces at the end of the war to defend Castle Itter from the 17th SS Grenadier division.
Like I said above, the war and the men were too complicated for either one side to be good or bad. You had guys who were pro-nazi but pro-Semite as well, or guys who were anti-Semite but anti-nazi as well.
I don't like the notion of "All Werhmacht troops were good men fighting for country" or "The SS were the real bad guys during the war". The men and ideology of the German military was far too diverse and complicated to make such black and white claims.
How does a thread about a German peace keeping mission in Ukraine turn into apologia for the SS and Werhmacht?
[QUOTE=Srillo;46157914]How does a thread about a German peace keeping mission in Ukraine turn into apologia for the SS and Werhmacht?[/QUOTE]
Because idiots think Nazis are relevant to modern day Germany.
[QUOTE=Srillo;46157914]How does a thread about a German peace keeping mission in Ukraine turn into apologia for the SS and Werhmacht?[/QUOTE]
Godwin's law
Some day I have enough and start kidnapping jews and gas them in the oven. Because that is what people are expecting from me.
Why should I disappoint them?
Did everyone forget that if you stood against the Nazi regime you were shot in the head? This whole talk of good and evil, like the out right good people were either scared, playing the part or dead.
[QUOTE=Swilly;46158313]Did everyone forget that if you stood against the Nazi regime you were shot in the head? This whole talk of good and evil, like the out right good people were either scared, playing the part or dead.[/QUOTE]
By this logic you exonerate every criminal who has a motive for his crime.
Sending peacekeepers [I]now?[/I]
Kind of late for that, isn't it?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46158397]By this logic you exonerate every criminal who has a motive for his crime.[/QUOTE]
I never excused their actions, and actually a lot criminal acts have a background to them since most are committed by people you know.
Also motive is like, one of the first things you look at for finding a criminal.
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